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Ah. See, the sponge problem would disappear with more organization.

I see how much thought you put into this decision, and it all seems to be objective and clear-thinking. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same about the others in this community.

I do understand that the murder rate is relatively low, but when it comes down to it, you can really ruin someone's day when they're murdered the first game(s) they start. Though I bet more often than not, they'll be confused and not know what just happened, and just start the next game.

I never thought you did. You and pein have been the more respectable opposition in this thread.

When streamers play the game for the first time, they act like brand new players would, but also try to be entertaining to an audience, adding to their unresponsiveness. When they play the game regularly, they aren't nearly as lost. I completely agree that someone should work on their communication skills, but I also suspect people have bad communication skills, and will not improve on them unless in certain circumstances.

I've never met someone who habitually force-fed. Usually they are feeding others because they genuinely want to help, or they're trolling. I've definitely had cases where force-feeders went insane and killed people. There is a fine line between benevolent force-feeders and malevolent force-feeders. Usually those who truly want to help will stop when you explain to them what they're doing.

I personally think there are always less spongers than people think. I think a village would sooner run out of food due to lack of organization than lack of productivity.

Some people do stop playing Overwatch after the first (few) match(es). I know one personally. It may not be a lot of people, but some people do do it.

@Doctor Steve

Where are you drawing the conclusions? First of all, I'm telling you that murder shouldn't be the top priority, and especially shouldn't be used to kill an innocent player (newbie, roleplayer, communicating player, person having fun). If someone has ruined a society purposefully they are a griefer, and though the majority will say to kill that person, I say convince them. Not everyone can convince a griefer to stop griefing.

I'm not for or against punishing people who kill random players. Many people will kill that person, but I would rather convince them to stop. Though this is less likely than if they were a griefer. I won't stop someone from killing someone like this. Specific instructions? You mean, like, teaching others how to do things in this game?

Leaving a job half-finished? In no way did I imply that you should leave a job half-finished. I'm not going to make half a kiln, and expect people to do the rest. What I am going to do is clear the work area so that more people can work. Clean and organize the bakery so more people can bake. Place the firebrands in more obvious locations. Some people just need a little push; leaving something half-finished would do the opposite.

The idea many people have of a griefer is actually a new player. An actual griefer will purposefully try to ruin the experience of others. Hence griefing. A new player is incapable of griefing. They'll just make you mad if you're a stickler for productivity. Roleplayers aren't necessarily griefers. They are definitely not griefers just because someone says they are and kills them randomly. All you need to do is understand what a griefer really is. And it is not messing around and having fun. It is ruining the experience of others. Go ahead, kill them, but I would rather you reason with them first at least. Because they're human, you're human. They're probably upset and need to be calmed down.

Why are you off-topic?

@Ribbz

You'd be surprised how little people know about this game. The tutorial doesn't teach farming. Many people try to water the berries without soil first, and that's knowing you have to water the berry bushes. Also, not everyone is willing to watch others and learn. Some are looking around, constantly hitting the tab key to cycle through the recipes because they're simply confused. I'm sure you were at that point too. There are also particular people who are too shy to ask for help; it's not too common though. Also, the case of streamers doing an intro for their audience, talking to them about the game, or telling their audience how lost they are instead of listening to players around them.

If someone is force-feeding people, and you have plenty of food, I wouldn't worry about it too much. I've had a force-feeder in my village, but we never went into a famine, and no one killed them. If you are low on food, and you explained it, and they're not stopping, then that's when I wouldn't stop someone from punishing them. If someone is just sitting there, eating food, I wouldn't kill them. They aren't purposefully or actively doing something to ruin other people's experiences, despite being told over and over again to do something. I've seen someone AFK from baby to 40 year old (they came back). The impact of that was barely noticeable.

If the person is 100% confirmed griefer, sure. I would hesitate to be inspired by someone who claims they killed a griefer even though no one knows what the "griefer" did.

Some people are pretty sensitive (and would leave after one bad game). I've given people the benefit of the doubt in matters like this, but they never cease to surprise me. That's just my experience, however.

I wouldn't trust Mirelli's judgement after killing me for such a little reason. It makes her look triggerhappy and unable to differentiate between a griefer and non-griefer.

@Doctor Steave

I've had years of experience talking to people who actually do have mental breakdowns. It's not hard for me to recognize stages of someone's mental health through how they type. And it doesn't take me long for me to see someone's intention through any medium, how they're feeling, even their thoughts. I'm very receptive to people and their behavior. Don't pretend this isn't possible. (I also literally said I wasn't a psychologist; I don't need to be one; everyone can study people on their own in their own ways--established education can only get you so far)

Now if only you would have addressed what I said, other than using one part of the conversation as a distraction to the other someone else's post, I would have more, (directly) on-topic things to talk about. Unless this discussion wasn't that important to you in the first place.

Who knew being on-topic took both parties?

@I am "Pharaoh"

I see many shades of your behavior, and not many of them are stable.

... you think the hunger in this game operates on a one-year-one-minute-scale...?

The problem is that people are labeling harmless acts as acts of grief. Killing random people is a playstyle thing, but pretending these people are purposefully trying to ruin the experience of others is something different. It's a mindset based on ignorance and lack of communication in many cases. Sometimes driven by mental health issues like paranoia or emotional instability. You could even say it's something people use to (falsely) justify killing.

This thread aims to remove any misunderstandings, but also seeks to bring awareness to the issue. Apparently people are very stubborn about believing people are out to ruin their experiences (when 90% of the time, it is just a new/er player). From what I've seen, many parts of the community do so because of mental instability and a peer-following effect. Something we aren't responsible for, and can't directly change; we can only share our stories and points of views.

I'm very sure I wasn't the only one who was randomly killed, while the killer shouted, "griefer!" It's not a fun experience.

People aren't truly responsible for communication. It's just good and welcome to have that available and executed. You could have told her that you had enough hunters. You don't know if someone wanted to do this or that. It's best to take their word for it, otherwise you're reaching for a conspiracy. Honestly, as a mom in this game, they owe you for raising them. Perhaps they actually were paying attention, and were applying your instruction in a way you didn't expect. She probably assumed you were composting. And probably isn't seasoned enough to know what a town needs at a certain point in time.

The problem with saving you effort, is you're giving the other person a headache. Enough to complain on the forums. It also ruins their gameplay experience, which directly impacts their wellbeing. If they come to this game to heal from their hard lives, you interrupt that process and further their problems. It's basic human decency not to screw up someone's experience. And it's better to assume they're not trying to ruin yours, or else, again, you're reaching for conspiracy. No one knows if you're doing good work just by your gear, and not many people just sit and watch individual players, especially if they're not just working at one job. You should focus on getting that across to players in other ways. If you're paranoid about someone, ask. And if they suck at communicating, don't act on your assumptions. Wait a bit longer.

Yes, but it is better to spend a few 10s of seconds organizing, than having everyone fight over which tools belong where, or which farm does what. Or even worse, having people killing eachother over a misunderstanding, like when you're moving the kiln (destroying it, making a new one), or you're trying to use a basket to get rid of bones that are crowding the forge (what are you doing with the soil basket! *kills you*). Even update changes, "the ponds refill! Why did you kill me! The ponds refill!!!" for just one example.

Not everyone knows what to do to help a civilization. That takes a lot of time and devotion to learn. That is why you always have people asking, "what do?" (which is a way of organizing btw, and only takes 2 seconds).

If you communicated to a lot of the people you're calling sponges, I bet you they're new players, trying to understand how to work the recipes, and don't know how. It is rare for someone to do nothing for the sake of doing nothing on purpose.

Edit: Also, many things in this game do not follow a 1-year-1-minute scale. For example, if a minute went by in a year, you definitely wouldn't be able to keep up with your daily hunger. That being said, if you justify not communicating with need to eat, you cannot use the 1-year-1-minute scale argument to support that, seeing as hunger does not follow that scale.

In fact, if most things that follow the one-year-one-minute scale correlate to positive/neutral progress than negative (ponds/wells, compost, bell towers, ancient walls, floors, non-decaying items (tools, food items, general items), tools without time-based decay vs. backpacks, clothes, cart decay; lifespan depends on the community and overall population), it is actually better to be patient, communicate, and take your time in this game.

Pein, just because people cannot keep up with you, doesn't mean they're griefing. Everyone learns in their own way and requires different ways of adjustment. For example, the person you killed was trying to hone their rabbit hunting skill. So instead of letting them hone it, you would rather have them help what you're doing, instead of letting them learn, and come back to help you when they're done. You killed a little child, and it seems you did so without much thought. They could have very well helped you in the future.

Many times, I've taken the job of village organizer. People listen if you explain that we need x, for y reason. Don't just tell people what to do. That's equally cocky and rude. Let people know why they need to do things.

"We're going into a famine soon, so feel free to run South
to get berries, as we won't be able to support
our big population booms"

"We need to get more water
because our mothers are
giving birth to too many
children, so we can
work on getting farms
expanded and watered.
We already have soil"

"We are focusing too
much on farms and
need to focus on tech.
Does anyone know
how to farm milkweed?"

Something as simple as this goes a long way. People really do listen if you explain yourself. You can also easily spot the new players, because they ask things like, "how do I farm?" so you don't just think they're a griefer. Don't say, "fill these bowls up." Like, what do you think that will accomplish in the long-run? Individuality is important in any society, virtual or not.

Everyone wants to support you and your vision, especially if you're good at the game and know what you're doing. But you need to work on your communication skills so people know why they need to help you. This game is anonymous. You don't have "Pein" written above you, telling use you're a long-time veteran and good city planner. For all we know, you have no idea what you're doing, and are just a crazy lady, commanding us because you have nothing better to do.

Not a professional psychologist. Don't read mainstream psychology. I actually teach people about spirituality, how to meditate, work on themselves, etc. To me, spirituality (or self-improvement) is better than psychology, as psychology looks at external factors, while spirituality looks at internal.

I'm not saying mental illness is bad. I'm saying it is a tough thing for people to deal with, and has negative consequences when applied incorrectly. I also know that mental illness is curable through self-improvement. Something psychologists will snark at. You don't have to have a mental illness to think in a unique way.

Because I'm considering their point of view, and what they say, I'm aware that they're not willing to have a functional argument, discussion, or behave in an respectful way. I would rather shut down a troll, than suddenly be trapped in a game of who-can-do-the-most-mental-gymnastics.

If you've killed one newbie for "griefing" and haven't reflected on why you did so, you'll do it again. Killing is a good way to end someone's fun, and directly impact someone's well-being (many people come to videogames to heal; interrupting the healing process is very very bad).

It seems you also know how to play the game correctly. Exploration, community, and communication are huge parts of what make this game fun and, well, itself.

I think you should look at your actions a bit more. You'd be surprised as to what drives them.

You're overall playing the game correctly, without griefing, but it seems there are moments where you do lose control, and end up following the ideas others have on killing and when to kill. The solution is: don't kill anyone you feel like killing. Always kill someone you know you should kill. This will clarify all choices on killing. Learning to control yourself under stress isn't easy, but is curable through understanding yourself in great detail, to the point in which you unlock your magic.

You are a respectable person as a whole, but you're sometimes at the mercy of others without realizing it.

That's not what I'm saying. Now instead of making me look like someone who won't let it go, I suggest you take responsibility for your claims, and leave like you said you would.

You're not a jokester.

There is no insult being thrown around, unless you think mental illness is something someone should be ashamed for. If you paid attention to the needs of others, even through text, you can tell when someone needs help. You cannot pretend, just because this is only-text, that you cannot pick up on details of someone's behavior through implication, and connecting their replies to what they're replying to.

Pharo is the one causing people to grief by manipulating them to follow him (preaching poetry is just one example; also, did you notice that his name is basically Pharaoh?). Pein is just another follower of Pharo. You would kill your lazy coworker? If half the game are griefers, and the other half are new players, no one is going to get cursed and therefore marked. Griefers will put in all of their effort into hiding their tracks. They aren't gods, just very calculated due to pure passion. If someone is picking up pads and dropping them, I guarantee you it's a new player. If someone takes pads, and puts them into a trash can, or out into the woods, I promise you, that's your griefer.

If you're not paying attention to my messages, you'd draw the conclusion I wasn't listening, sure. But perhaps you should listen to the implications I have; instead of making assumptions based on that the majority of the replies in this thread (mind you, griefers tend to be on this forum due to the following/bad-apple effect). This is how I know you're not really reading in-between the lines, which I expect you to do.

"Boredom" is often caused by depression. Real boredom drives you to do something productive. Depression drives you to do nothing, which makes you insecure about whether or not you're doing something productive. This causes you to force yourself to do something out of insecurity. Insecurities cause you to project and act out in spite/vulnerability. This is the cause of the griefing. Perhaps they enjoy themselves for a few minutes, thinking they're being productive, but the insecurities kick in, and the next thing you know, people are disappearing from the town, and there's a famine.

Remember, most mentally-ill people aren't able to accept help, and will express their insecurities in unhealthy ways until they stop and reflect. This is where trolls come from. Trolls = griefers. Trolls are mentally ill as well (unless they are a jokester; jokester =/= troll; I know this is a popular misconception). Trolls and griefers are the same thing, but griefers are put in a position to have power, and trolls aren't.

Why?

Pharo, it's time to take more breaks. I can tell you're very close to a mental breakdown. What you're doing right now is trying to be manipulative, using the community as a tool to demean and break someone down. This is because you're trying to break yourself down because of self-consciousness and lack of well-being (this is known as projection). Relax, take a break. Work on yourself, because it will get better.

I thought the gif was funny.