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#1 Re: Main Forum » Player experience and life length stats - Updated 2018-11-25 » 2018-11-14 17:39:16

It looks like you have one point per unit of the x axis, instead of individual level data. How did you take the many individuals who fall into each bin and compress that into a single point?

Also since the compression of information occurs, it might be interesting to see the density plot of the days owned and of days played.

It also would be neat to see the curve of best fit on the 1st and 3rd graphs, along with the confidence interval, using geom_smooth().

#2 Re: Main Forum » Jason needs to listen » 2018-11-12 19:41:41

Three wrote:

My point is not that anything i recomend should always be put into the game, my point was to make him atleast LISTEN to my point.

There are entire posts dedicated to his talking with the community. He makes them every few days. "Is the drama gone?" is the most recent. There was one about iron ores, and there have been plenty before that. He has responded to people often, both in positive and negative ways, providing reasoning and feedback.

That being said, I would have to agree with the main point. Advancements in the tech tree would be very nice, because once the new steam players figure out what's going on, they're going to start getting bored without the much hyped and often touted "staying one step ahead in the tech tree." Although, Jason has said that much of the tech tree later on is purely cosmetic, with the reasoning "you can only get so efficient at producing food," which makes sense.

Which brings me to the main point of this long post: how are we to create more of a tech tree without going all factorio/max efficiency?

An idea that was mentioned in this same post about later tech tree ideas was that new technology brings new problems, as old inputs become incredibly scarce. An example from the real world for this:

Problem: Food takes a long time to make.
Solution: Create technology which is more efficient, allowing for specialization, and increased productivity.
New Problem: I have no idea how to grow enough of my own food from scratch to feed myself a balanced diet.

Except in the game, knowledge isnt something that goes away. No matter how big the tech tree gets, there is always someone who will have the entire thing memorized. However, there are already examples of this in the game.

Problem: Being a nomad is highly dependant on what biomes you are in, easy to starve if you're unlucky.
Solution: Settle down and form a camp.
New Problem: Resources around the camp become more and more exhausted, can lead to mass famine.

Or, a much more real one where the created technology to solve a simple problem has obvious and immediate downsides.

Problem: I need to slice this bread.
Solution: Make a knife
New Problem: Little Timmy just murdered half our town.

If we wanted to take that even further:
Problem: Little Timmy is going on a rampage
Solution: Have someones job be to hunt down little Timmy.
New Problem: The hunter's productivity is decreased, due to their time investment being finding the murderer.

New stuff in the tech tree is hard to make when you don't want to just increase the efficiency of everything like other games do. (Think minecraft, where the only difference between a stone pickaxe and an iron pickaxe is the quality, having a iron pickaxe doesnt make you have new problems to solve.) Stuff like the knife are prime examples of what good technology can be for the later parts of the tech tree.

Related ideas:

Anything that increases specialization is important. However, currently the towns are basically cooperative. I make a pie, anyone can eat the pie, whether or not they do anything for me or the town in return. There is no real way to change this that doesnt involve an astronomical amount of work and coordination outside of a single lifespan (ie, would require a coordinated effort across multiple generations, which I feel violates the spirit of the game). Trade is nonexistant, both interpersonal and between towns. There is no incentive to do so. Why give up anything in my backpack when I can wait for the guy to just drop what I want?

Changing this might require new systems to be made. A rough idea might be as follows:

Job: Manager
Requirements: One room, full walled off with a door, and flooring everywhere. Along with clay table and paper and charcoal pencils.
Ability: Be able to assign each person a job from a list (berry farming, compost, etc...), which appears above them, either visible to everyone, or to only them.

There is nothing that makes anyone follow this, but in the same way if my mother asks me to do carry on what she did in tending sheep, I'm more likely to do so then if nothing is said. Likewise, this is another person not making food, so the efficiency of food production must be sufficiently advaned enough to accommodate this person. But, since this is a social job, there should be a better way to talk with each other which brings me to my last point...

Coordination is HARD. We have an hour. Each minute represents 1/60th of our total time. We can't even form complete thoughts until were teenagers (not saying this is bad, as I actually really like it, just that it makes things harder). Taking five minutes when you're 20 to talk to round up 3 people to do a complex task is a massive amount of your time. There is no way to easily coordinate with others. If we want to develop more complex communities, we have to be able to communicate as efficiently as we are able to produce food.


Jason has a very specific vision for this game which is commendable, he could easily make another cookie cutter survival crafting game. This vision though, means that the tech tree has to be designed carefully, and is much more difficult to do so.

#3 Re: Main Forum » Can anyone else log on? » 2018-11-09 23:38:37

Just fyi, everything is back up now.

#4 Re: Main Forum » Steam release day » 2018-11-09 04:38:01

Anshin wrote:

LOL, my first Steam arrival in the game was being born to the sound of mass murder in Amos Town. Death cries and bloody bones everywhere. Several people wielding knives. Curses flying. Bears on the loose. Suiciding babies. Some kid picking up and dropping bowls constantly. Ahhhh it was just like the old days ... love it. smile


Hey Amos Town! I was there during the big murder fest. I took one of the daughters and ran south and raised her there away from all the stabby stabby, and the town survived another day.

#5 Re: Main Forum » Steady state is boring but building is pointless since nothing lasts » 2018-10-29 21:30:17

I've been reading some of this, about how Jason doesn't want interconnected cities, and how they don't last, etc, etc...

Does that mean that the cities eventually are deleted by the server, (meaning it doesnt matter that it was created in the first place), or just that the distance between them is prohibitively large that building roads between them is nearly impossible?

I tend to spend the last years of my life extending any roads from towns (so I can at least contribute something that I thought would last), and after reading all this, I'd like to know if those roads are just being deleted.

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