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Not worth it. Basically one Kerosene = 48 individual clumps of soil at BEST.
And with soil being a 5:1 ratio to water, it's very severely worse.

Bruh, why would you use Kerosene to make 40 bowls of water when the Sprinkler can make Kerosene into 360 bowls of water for farming?

I did the math the same day the sprinkler content started to appear in the discord. It's somehow hard to explain but maybe my method of explanation is just difficult to understand.

Let's assume each of the 24 "runs" of the sprinkler were utilized to their maximum potential - so, every time you pour in a bowl of water, all the sprinkler pipes attached watered a crop 100% of the time.

For the sprinklers to be "equivalent" to just converting Kerosene into water, and then doing it by-hand, you would need 3 Sprinkler pipes.

Here is a picture that has been repeatedly edited to better convey how 3 pipes is equal (and slightly better) than watering crops by-hand.

And what if you produced 24 Sprinkler pipes, and combined them with the new Plow that can til 24 fields all in a row?

But the sprinklers aren't limited to a pre-defined maximum length. The pipes will keep watering, and passing the water down the line, until there are no more pipes to receive water. Thus, if you were being 100% efficient with all 24 uses of the pipes, You can guarantee a hell of a return-on-investment the longer that the town/village you're in has these built and are in use.

As it stands right now, the game is eventually at some point going to gain a macro-economy. There are technically resources that cannot be wholly acquired by one single family, so it is reasonable to conclude that, if the game hit a point where multiple Town entities existed, each one would have its own "special commodity" that the others not only need, but cannot self-produce.

The Blacks have Horses, Flat rocks, Rare-minerals, and Glassware. They're probably the most 'fun' to play as, because they are the first ones to have access to Horse speed and Glass storage. They can also self-make gold. That makes them extremely valuable for trading materials.

The Gingers have Saltwater, Fish, Gold, and Oil. They're probably the middle-of-the road in terms of 'fun' to play as, because their tech has been nerfed or is otherwise pretty worthless for trade value. They technically have Gold, but so do Blacks, so that isn't as much an advantage to them.

Whites have language. They never have to worry about who they can chat with.

The Browns have Latex, Bananas, Palm oil, Tattoos, and Peppers. They are, in my opinion, the LEAST rewarding to play as, because of the high demands their resources have on them and the little utility they get as a result. They can only store latex in buckets. Their palms can only be stored in bowls, until they get glass from Blacks. They do get the ability to make Fries and Salsa, but those foods are so rarely prepared that it's neither here nor there. Tattoos are a joke, as they also require Gingers in order to obtain Black Dye.

Despite the fact that Gingers 'appear' to be the worst to play as, the majority of their specialty resources are not restricted by other specialty races. Meanwhile, Browns have the most restrictions on their specialty resources, and have no early-game utility to benefit from. Having such diverse starting positions in how wealthy each group can become, I won't be surprised if the new Home Lands system leads to struggling Browns and Gingers who can't quite adapt to the fact they either get little utility, or a rough biome to benefit from. Meanwhile, Whites and Blacks stand to be the 'stronger' of the races, because one can always communicate with others to trade, while the other has fast transportation and efficient resource storing.

Seeing as the topic of Trade has come up yet again in a new thread, it looks like it's time to give this one a Bump, and even take a look back at how things have changed on this topic in 10 months.

Here's where we were at that time:

And now let's touch on each of those again, briefly!

"Where's Trade?"
- Trade still doesn't exist despite the addition of Specialty Biomes. Players are currently in a situation where the collectivization of all families is more vital to survival than maintaining separate identities. Micro-scale trading is still heavily out of scope for OHOL, while Macro-trading is always on the precipice, but never getting closer. Jason is still attempting to figure out ways to keep players separate and to force them to trade, but now there are two separate issues to tackle here; we need additional resources to crop up that are both unique, non-uniform, and worth trading for; we also need towns/families to be individualistic again, in order for multiple nationalities to exist. Otherwise, there are no 'entities' on the macro-scale with which can do business with one-another, via the citizens.

"Where are the stores?"
- This is still in the same spot as previously. No one cares for stores because it's anti-communal economy. Stores on the macro-scale are the only recognizable method of the term in OHOL, but without separate Towns/villages that could be considered entities, these are also non-existent.

Where's Resource Contention?
- There are still no rare resources that could be considered unique to one town vs. another. All resources are quite uniform, require a basic amount of time (and maybe skin tones) to acquire. Resources in general do not come with Opportunity-cost, STILL. You know what you're making out of a resource the moment you start gathering it, and aren't simply collecting that resource as part of a greater supply chain.

Where's crime? Where are the sheriffs?
- We still don't have Batons or Guillotines, so that's why. The servers have gone thru a very pain-staking process of phasing out violent conflict from the game between players, because we live in a society. As it turns out, society doesn't need people to enforce the law, just vigilante's that can get enough popular support.

And now for some predictions:
- I believe we're going to start seeing a shift in gameplay, from one multi-cultural town to multiple towns but all inadequately supplied with resources/struggling to get hold of them.
- Griefing inevitably swings to the opposite end of the spectrum, and people start having a difficult time getting rid of the correct griefers as their skills in 'stealth' advance.

The only flaw is someone will inevitably rip up your flooring and try to prevent people from navigating it proper.

Your best bet is getting that town a map, and then placing Waystones next to every well. They'd have to work extra hard to grief that off.

Space Station 13 has actually rebounded from its original starting playerbase of a couple hundred people, to now somewhere in the thousands.

For years, the stable populated servers see peaks of 40-70 people daily, depending on the part of the week.

For Colonial Marines in SS13, they've consistently sported 200+ players at almost all hours.

When major code shifts happen, that playerbase tends to fluctuate and move around. I've seen some servers that were only pulling 40-50 on weeknights suddenly have to deal with 80+ every single evening because of players migrating to different servers.

SS13 technically has that with NPC's, but in a limited capacity when it comes to other players.

There are some jobs where you are interacting with animals, primarily in Science where their job is to feed and grow slimes, kill off the old ones, and then repeat the cycle.

There are also circumstances where you are able to add another player into the game (SS13 allows you to skip playing the round as a crewmember and just Observe what happens, which also lets you potentially join the Round thru these 'Ghost' roles).

The one that has actual "maturity" cycles would be the Xenomorphs in SS13, who have to lay eggs in the crewmembers that eventually hatch into new larvae (Ghost role). Those larvae go thru the Xeno lifecycle and eventually become one of three or four archetypes of the Xenomorph species.

This is kind of what happens to new people in competitive games; if you matched a Bronze-skilled player against a "Grandmaster" player, the sheer gap in skill is going to lead to a swift beating on the Bronze player, and they will not actually learn anything from the experience and probably give up.

I would argue that the game's initial Steam release was the perfect culmination for new players to get into the game, followed by the number of streamers that also started playing it at the same time in that week of its successful selling.

There was a large flood of new players, across many servers, but primarily the first 3-4. With so many new players, there was no "massive gap" between the veterans and the newbies. There were varying tiers of newbies that either knew nothing at all, knew the basics of farming, or were quickly on their way towards becoming a veteran.

Now, whenever someone buys the game or it goes on a mild Steam Sale, we only get a 'trickle' of players that come in, and all of those players are going to BS2. Their numbers are so few that the gap between the Veterans and the newbies is so clear that it is, to an extent, oppressive to their development of appreciating the game.

There were murmurs on the forums and in Discord that, if the game simply gave people less Food pips from eating, that it would lead to more organized and smaller towns. Jason simply tested it as quickly as possible to see how viable that was, and the results were abysmal.

I'd rather see a dev do something when we're in the middle of an inconsequential week, than a dev doing nothing at all and simply pondering options. The test gave us all the info we needed that no, FoodScale factor is NOT how you get people to cooperate and work as a town.

Edit: I love that you're trying to push Jason doing live tests on the servers as though he were experimenting on a live human being and inflicting physical pain or the risk of pain on the players.

Between "Jason is experimenting on us" and "Jason is disrespecting us" and "Jason's game is raping us" you are just an angry little ball of fluff, huh?

I'm sure right afterward, he also typed out that his father was the CEO of OHOL and would ban them for cursing their dummy account.

I like professions, but I think they should be tied into Hierarchies, and should be assigned by a Leader within the Hierarchy.

This post is kinda paralel to what I was proposing in the Hierarchies thread, to be honest. I'll copy that segment over to here:

The tool slots are, of course, free.