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I'm reminded of Douglas Crockford's JSON license, which to this day says "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil."

And supposedly IBM asked for a special exemption so that their clients could do "evil" and Crockfrord granted it. Supposedly.

As hilarious as this seems, it actually turns out to be terrible for anyone who wants to use the license because now they're completely dependent on the whims of the license holder. https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article46/json-license

Hmmm, I know you expect to elaborate if given the chance, but you don't think these takedown notices are misleading?

Beyond "game name", which as far as I can tell is the pivotal issue here, all of those things were permitted by what I thought was an irrevocable public domain license with no restrictions. You did not mention the phrase "public domain" once.

These kinds of processes are notoriously hamhanded and I would be surprised if it got the careful human attention that it deserved. But if someone does inquire about these claims to Christoffer, Christoffer would immediately link to your public domain license, particularly important since you haven't mentioned or clarified it in the requests. I would be extremely surprised if they dug further than that and gave the matter the nuance it received in this thread. Of course, they could be biased strongly towards one side by default as a CYA measure. Who knows!

I'm not convinced by this argument about onetech, terminal heist, or 2HOL. Besides none of them using the original game name as their name, the latter two don't have a large playerbase (this is equivalent to making a fan game you have NO rights to... safe until it gets popular and the owners get wind of it) and onetech is a tool that solely benefits the OHOL ecosystem.

But any game regardless of genre that uses the same name could be assumed to be connected to you, no? And if someone made a racist/sexist One Hour, One Life comic book and you start getting flamed for it, are you saying you have no qualms about that?

After rereading the thread, I shifted views a bit. I still think the name is central issue here and if the mobile version were named something completely different, the entire thing would be irrelevant. However, I no longer believe Christoffer had the rights to use the name in the first place... outside of an email exchange (since there exists no contract, formal written statement, or license on usage of the name), which should be clear in hindsight to everyone was not a great idea. Now in fact the request is to change the name by adding "Unofficial", a much worse outcome than having a different name to start.

I strongly disagree on this one.

I wouldn't have assumed the name "One Hour, One Life" was included in that, but you're confirming now that it is. "Absolutely no restrictions".

I still have no idea why the name is an important thing to relinquish rights to. For the code and art, you're saving people literally years of work by putting these in the public domain. Allowing people to reuse the name is not helping them whatsoever, but it is causing you significant grief. They could come up with an acceptable name in 5 minutes.

And yet you relinquished rights to the name. In that case, I don't see this "port" as misleading. They aren't suggesting that the game is associated with you. They have created a similar game using assets you have released and given away rights to. They have made a similar game and have happened to call it the same name you gave away rights to. You can't say you don't want to control people and that anything is permitted and then send mockups to a developer with specifications on how many seconds a splash screen should be shown in their game.

You're worried that the new changes, which weren't approved by you (except in the sense that you've permitted everything by releasing it into the public domain and also restated such through email), might be tied back to your work somehow. But they had not said it's your work! Your name wasn't on it. You're actually now asking for it to be tied to you.

I mean, this kind of stuff happens all the time even when things aren't named the same. But most of this confusion could be prevented by having a totally different name. This is why trademark exists.

How? When the game is called "Eve's Wilderness" or "Carrot World" or whatever, almost no one is going to accidentally google your game. No one is going to file erroneous bug reports. Reviewers won't be confused.

So why would this be a problem? It sounds like you're concerned about attribution at that point. More concerned that the 100,000 Chinese players will never know who you are, rather than make an invalid connection to you. Isn't that what you signed up for?

The best solution going forward seems to be trying to protect the name and encourage the mobile developers to choose a different one. "One Hour, One Life" is not just a bundle of assets. It's a piece of art. It's a persistent set of game servers. It's a promise about future development. Why not make that clear?

Hmm, it crashed once on me. I thought it was because I was alt-tabbing in the middle of the download. I closed the program, tried again, and it worked fine.

Heh. I was obsessed with bread as a kid and at thanksgiving would continue eating like 5+ rolls after consuming everything else. I don't have a healthy relationship with food. These days I'll finish off the last bite of potatoes/rice/chicken out of the pan by dousing it with salt. I've probably not explained the thanksgiving phenomenon thing well, but it's absolute a thing: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2 … n-pie.html

I don't think the game should be made any more difficult than it already is. It's already bewildering for a new player. If you add any additional constraints to how food works, it's only fair to make the beginning game easier to balance it out. And remember it's not just different food types having different thresholds, but the repeated consumption of foods reducing the thresholds. You could make berries start by filling to 75% but quickly dropping with each bite (different foods could drop at different rates .... maybe pizza never gets less appetizing).

Having dozens of foods that feel really distinct is a challenge certainly. The foods that give you effects (warmth, fertility) is interesting. I'm for it. But I don't see it extending to too many combinations. Even 20+ distinct food items is a high bar.

Ultimately you're limited by the one hour life. Implement either the reduced satiation or hunger threshold and it won't matter much because .... how many times do you even eat to fullness in a lifetime.? 60 times? 30 times? Less? if You have 10 "levels" (whatever that means) per food, you're still not ensuring much variety. If there's a deterministic optimal route, players will use it. Maybe what you need is a system that extends beyond a single lifetime. Each character could have a favorite food that gives double satiety. That would definitely encourage people to diversify. Or maybe the boredom from each food extends across generations. Many generations in and carrots become useless. Berries become useless. Corn becomes useless. Force people to move up the tech tree? The cool thing about that is you could very easily control how fast people move away from the basics. Instead of limited resources by what's in the environment, it could be determined by what they've eaten in the past.

*yikes*

Any update to your numbers? The game seems to have really taken off in the past few weeks.

If this was a Steam game, I would guess you've nearly breached $1M based on the number of reviews you have. But then again I don't know if more or less people are willing to review with a bespoke, in-game review editor.

Whoa! So cool to see the speed picked up. I was checking for a few days when it was stuck at like 4 objects and a little worried.

But is the consequence here worse than in Rust? I've not played it, but I assume if you die in Rust you lose something and it's somewhat of a pain.

In OHOL, what do you lose exactly? You could potentially, maybe even with high probability depending on the circumstances, spawn right next to your previous area. Your items would be stored on the ground or in containers presumably. It's also interesting to think how your knowledge of locations/buildings might carry over to the next life. I'm thinking TCD all over again. Maybe not traps, but you could hide your old possessions in obscure locations or even mazes.

You could imagine an MMO with permadeath and people would be really nervous about griefing in that kind of setting because they potentially lose months of work. But you lose a maximum of ~1 hour of work here. It'd be nice if there really was some sort of investment that caused you to care about your actions beyond one hour. For instance, what if you can name yourself and any offspring you create will permanently be labeled with their lineage? Or there's some online viewer that will show your old characters as long as they still have living descendants. Something along those lines, so you're more invested in what happens to future generations.

Also, couple questions:

1) Will there be signs like in Minecraft? It's hard to imagine a society developing with a complex set of customs and rules without being able to quickly communicate those rules. Imagine a group of players want to outlaw certain items from being crafted (e.g. no guns). It would be really tedious to explain everything in chat over and over again.

2) Will any items require huge/realistic numbers of items to craft? Or will all items require a cartoonishly small input? imagine you want to build a nuclear bomb. You have to acquire a huge amount of uranium. Yes, the crafting is of the form A+B, but I'm sure you could have items representing 2, 4, 8, 16, etc. uranium ores. If the numbers are indeed huge, will there ever be machines that automate routine harvesting/crafting like Factorio?

3) Are you worried about scaling the game in case it gets really popular? This is a notoriously hard problem and one of the reasons MMOs are so hard to develop, right? I remember in Asheron's call that if enough people gathered in one area, then a "portal storm" developed and people would be randomly teleported away.