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Destroying an engine is easier than engineering one, no?

I ask myself this question all the time. Personally I think he raises some good points sometimes.

Instead of trying to refute his points many just lower themselves to ad hominem attacks.

The people doing so are much more annoying than Spoonwood in my opinion.

A few minutes is a few years time. Imagine being a baby dropped off in another town by your mom, and she leaves never to come back. You then go the rest of your life without being able to understand what any other person is saying?

Using the three pronged 1:1 substitution cypher I proposed would still present some challenge to learn, and the average person probably wouldn't be able to memorize it completely(leaving an accent). A completely random example using my three groups:

NI! I OW QHAW DNE ADNEH DARL. TOL YAU ZED UX XAWE HUVVEW? RE RIJJ ZIFE YAU XUJQUH

context: Black person comes to your town and you are brown.

I'll admit the 1:1 has the weakness of making X,Q, and other uncommon sounds common. English doesn't have the sounds /x/, /c/(similar to H in HUE) or /q/ (All sound similar to H, throaty sounds).

J is used as Scandinavian J (correct original usage). Y is used as vowel like it was originally in classical greek where letter came from. When a letter is used as both high sonorance(vowel) and low sonorance(consonant) it is better to go with higher sononarce because you can easily pronounce a string of vowels, but not a string of consonants ex: replacing 'Y' in 'MY' with a consonant would be unpronounceable.

On the note of 'work for descendants' I believe that just because it fits the theme better doesn't mean it's better. There are a number of things in the game the think the game would be more fun without, but are there for the sake of theme(tiny character limit, only live for 60 years when record is over 120, etc).

It is also extremely unsatisfying for me personally. Even when I am born in the situation that the filter is ~80% complete, I STILL have to adjust how I talk for each individual depending on their level of language filter.

SO the result is you end up never actually learning the language; it isn't feasible. A 1:1 filter is feasible, and still requires a considerable amount of mental effort to memorize.

What your saying is true, but you also have to consider it is easy for a branch of a family to die out. I have to make sure MY branch of the family lives on(At the expense of my cousin/daughters kids).

So in reality, there is a HUGE range of how much effort it would actually take to get to 100%. Knowing that hanging around another family will negatively impact fertility, odds are your branch of the family will be the side to die off.

It may be a fun cross generational quest(not to me) initially, but if this is something you have to do over-and-over again, it will get old pretty quickly.

Yes, but it makes it EXTREMELY difficult to learn a filter 100%. You will have to adjust the way you speak for each individual for 100% intelligibility because they each have a different filter.

In the past each persons filters were extremely similar due to people spam teaching the most common sounds. Now it is random which 10% they get so there is huge variation in each person's filter.

I really hope Jason changes the way language filters work(even if it's harder than 1:1). Each person's filter varies way too much, making it so even when you feel you've mastered the filter, you have to learn what parts are different(a significant amount) for each individual you talk to.

I just want my filter memorization to be useful for more than one individual, and comparable in effort to just using paper....

Sorry Jason, I misinterpreted this:

Thanks for elaborating further.

I still dislike auto-language filter learning to a degree though.

One big frustration is when I learn how to say a phrase in another language, but then the children of the people I am talking to have a weaker filter.

Ex: I learn SCRI AIE SCRO = YOU ARE YU.

I then try to talk to the baby Yu. SCRI AIE SCRO but it comes out different, because her filter is weaker than her mothers...

She hears something like SCROU ARE SCRU and responds with "???"

In the past this wasn't a big deal because you either knew 0%, <10%, or 100%(due to spam typing)... but now it is incredibly frustrating having to guess what clusters they've learned and having to adjust my speech for each individual.

Under this definition anything can be a problem or not a problem, depending on your viewpoint. For example, is the concentration of wealth into the 1% a 'problem'? If you're the 1%, you'd probably say no. In the same way, because these changes are unwelcome to Spoonwood, it is an unwelcome thing needing to be dealt with and overcome via changing the code.

Frankly I'd be happy to go back to +2 instead of +4.

That's where we were before steampocalypse 2.0 if I am remembering correctly.

Wilderness survivalist, or something of the sort, could be a useful profession too.

I think it is fair to assume in a real eve camp many hunter/gathering skills would be second-nature to everyone.

Trade is useful in Rust and games like it because you need food, ammunition, and medicine. So you can trade food for ammo, ammo for medicine, etc. But in OHOL all you need is food. Arrows are re-usable, you can't use medicine on yourself, so that leaves food.

If you want food and I want food we are better off not trading, right? Especially considering it is trivial to live solely on wild gooseberries.

Trade could exist if we actually had needs other than food.

Way-stones are about only slightly harder to make as walls and are significantly more permanent due to requiring two to remove. Also, horse carting things off doesn't guarantee the items are destroyed, especially with just 5 min out and 5 min back of riding.

Of course it would compromise their purpose. But if you want the way-stone to exist and I don't, and you died 10,000 years ago I think my wants should matter more. Yes, I am fine with something being very difficult to break as long as it is very very difficult to make it. The problem in OHOL is this often isn't the case.

Ex: I can make  a stone building in one life, destroying it I must eat a lot for hungry work, but as soon as I finish destroying it someone comes along and simply puts the remains on the building back in the same exact spot in less than 5 mins without building any tools or anything. 

Better example would be a list of all the indestructible items in game (as they are infinitely more difficult to destroy than make)

But yes I do agree way-stones needs to be WAY tougher to make, as I see people making them for trivial things that wont be relevant in 100 years/minutes.

These don't match the rest of the list imo. Stacking things not being used is fine because unstacking takes barely any time and it can save space. I fought the grave-digging thing for a while but people are going to do it no matter what you do, and you'll be the asshole if you try to put a stop to it. Turning storage boxes into carts can be beneficial because you can now walk through them. Eating a berry every time your hunger goes down is fine because of overfill mechanic. Ghost costumes are funny. Chopping trees is hungry work so they're saving future people from having to learn axe + use hunger regardless of whether they carry the wood back or not. Backpacks are upgraded baskets, ideally a long standing town would replace all their baskets with backpacks. Sometimes death comes as a surprise and it isn't necessarily their intent to make the town atrophy good clothing.

This is blatantly false. Destruction is much harder in relation to creation(many items are difficult or impossible to destroy, like ancient walls or waystones)

In reality, destruction is much easier than creation but Jason seems hell-bent on making it require much more work to undue what others have done.

From where I see things, it seems like you can either making things hard to destroy, in which case people will use creation to grief. If you make things easy to destroy, people will use destruction to grief. The natural state is destruction being much easier, so I favor making things like waystones easier to destroy.