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The memescore punishes you, among many other cases, whenever you try to do something that will have a relevance in a further future then one hour after your death.
Your family has a newcommen pump but no blacks for rubber? Traveling around to find blacks for help is the wrong approach: your siblings will be dying from famine while you're out. The correct thing to do is to gather water from ponds and hope it lasts until your grandchildren die.
Your newcommen pump is exhausted and you need to advance to diesel? Building the diesel engine is again the wrong approach: your family will die from famine while you're working. Again, the correct thing to do is to gather water from ponds and use it for farming.
You used all the water in 500 tile radius on farming and there's no water left to operate newcommen meccanisms? Not your problem. Your children and siblings will not starve, so you did great.

If you want to ensure your lineage's survival, you have to put the immidiate survival of your family at risk. If you want to gain memescore, you have to prioritize here and now, even if it comes at the cost of sacrificing the future of the lineage. I honestly don't comprehend how can you not see a contradiction here, Dodge.

Personally, i find that the optimal strategy to gain memescore is to dedicate your life to baking (mutton and rabbit) pies and brewing stew Then stuffing the pies in your immidiate family's backpacks as "emergency rations". And costantly keeping an eye on your siblings and children. If you see that they're noobs, ask them to help you brew stew and bake pies, offer to teach them, all so you can keep them close and easly forcefeed them so they don't starve on accident. If they ever have to eat themselves, you're doing it wrong. If they're afk, forcefeed them until either you or they die of old age. Just keep an eye on afk girls popping babies: forcefeed the latter aswell. Never bother yourself with anything more advanced than clothes. Never let that dry well bother you either. And only yum if your town is in completely no danger of dying in the next 2 hours. You don't want to have more people to take care of than what you can handle.

I know that making memescore care for anything more than close family's survival would require quite a lot of coding, but... if it could at least consider how long the lineage went after your contributions, idk.

The single upgrade that made long lasting lineages viable. Nice!

But that's the classiest pip that you can gain

Jokes aside, yeah, now even being a berrymuncher is by far superior to being an alcoholic.

The survival aspect of this game is to live as long as you can. At least long enough to reproduce and pass this task to the next generation. And also to help the other people survive aswell. Actually, making the survival of others easier during your lifetime is more important than your own survival, imo.

I really see nothing wrong with every single life in this game coming to an end eventually. Hell, imagine if one could live forever? Now THAT would be a problem.

As for the lineages dying out... it simply means that some people along the line have failed the survival task. They died without being able to pass the task to the next generation. Nothing more than that. That's one of the beauty of this game imo: that your own survival is not for your own sake, instead a whole lineage can weight on your shoulders. And it's also what gives a long lineage a value: there are so many points in time where it could've died out but it lived through it. Having a 1000 generation lineage just because it's the only lineage that people could spawn in takes that value away and makes it a void number. Same if a lineage couldn't die out in any way.

I also really don't see how death by upgrades is relevant in the context of death of lineages. It affects such a small portion of lineage death to be a non-problem. In 24 hours you can get up to 70th generation more or less, so between one upgrade and the other the potential goes almost up to 500. And yet nowdays lineages can't even survive for 72 hours straight. So until we can get to a point where lineages can survive 300-400 generations, death by upgrades feels so irrelevant. Like, even if we could survive through upgrades, lineages would still be doomed before the 200th generation mark anyway.

Now, Spoon, this actually is an interesting argument... but if your way to get people to talk about it is to spamm until people reply, then personally ima make it a point to never give my opinion on your threads.

I looked at the data of the last week (monday 6th - sunday 12th) and it looks way worse than that.

Monday      6th - 107 Eves
Tuesday      7th - 134 Eves
Wednesday 8th - 110 Eves
Thursday    9th - 144 Eves
Friday        10th - 190 Eves
Saturday    11th - 56 Eves
Sunday      12th - 94 Eves

For a grand total of 835 Eves last week. If every 5 eves move the spawn west of 200, then that's up to 33k distance traveled. That's 4,7k/day on average. Ofc one has to take out the amount of donkey eves, but like, how many of them are there?

Are tutorial eves still counted in life logs? 'Cause these numbers look really demoralizinging otherwise.

Spoon, these numbers come from http://publicdata.onehouronelife.com/
Go to public life log data, to that of bs2 of today's date, then scroll to the bottom and pick a day. search for "noparent" to find the rough number of eves.

About the cars, just being able to make two precision pistons from one piston blank would cut down the steel cost by four. Alternatively, a different approach to making steel valves, in a way to make 3 out of one steel, would also save up 4 steel. If you add a possibility to make 2 fuel nozzle bodies out of one pipe and 2 cam shafts out of 1 rod, a whole stack of steel would be saved up.
We'd have cars costing 11 steel, 1 iron, 1 bucket of rubber, 2 logs and one rope.
A horsecart with rubber tires, in comparison, is worth 0,5 buckets of rubber, 1,5 logs, 3 ropes, a straight branch, 1 bowl of berries and 2 carrots. And it's 33% more efficient than a car, even if we set aside the cost of kerosene and the need to keep a tank of it in the car at all times.

Imo we need more storage space on the vehicles to make them even remotely worth the while. Like a possibility to add a tired cart to it to function as a trailer to triple its storage capabilities.

An airplane is a bit different, since its instant-travel meccanics, but it could still use a buff. Perhaps sticking a wooden sledge to it to make it a cargo plane.

And even then we're still left with the kerosene problem. Civilization-wise it's just much wiser to use it for water than for a car. And, under this light, hiding a car far away can't even be considered greifing since it's actually saving the city from an endless water sink: 2 minutes of car usage or one flight cost the equivalent of 7 buckets of water.

When end-game tetch is dooming the town instead of helping it prosper, that's a huge problem imo.

As for the glass bottles, as far as i can see, there's only 3 problems that inhibit its mass production.
- the biome restriction (duh)
- the need to trasport sand in clay bowls (you can trasport glasswort and limestones in baskets, getting 12-24 of them every trip, but it will then take you three trips to get the equivalent needed of sand)
- the need to make lots of paper to filter the glassworth ashes

Setting aside the biome restriction for a sec, Imo if we could transport sand in bukets and make filter paper out of normal paper (like 4/paper), bottles would become much more approachable.

Just throwing some thoughts here.

I just took a moment to think about how huge this game could've been if all the people, who genuinly enjoyed it, wouldn't have left out of frustration. The most i've seen on server reflect is 100-120 players at a given time, for like half a year now. The least being like 30 in the rift age. It could've easly been a several thousands.

I remember I was playing it a few times at my parents' house and my little 9yo brother was watching me. And he was asking to play. He had watched some youtube videos of it, so he thought he could've handled it. Normally i let him play stuff like modded minecraft or don't starve and i like when he enjoys it. But i couldn't bring myself to let him play OHOL, because i knew that it wouln't been fun for him. He'd just get stabbed for no reason or get kidnapped and starved. And he'd come to hate this game. It's such a beautiful game but he'd turn away from it 'cause of dumb shit like that.

Can we have an F for all the experienced players who left 'cause of greifing and also a hugeass F for thousands of new players who could've enjoyed OHOL and maybe created wonders in it, if they hadn't quit <24 hours in 'cause of all the frustrating stuff piled on new players, such as dumb killing and senseless cursing, but also hate on berrymunchin and, huge, unintuitive tech curve (that one has pretty much no way of exploring without using outside-the-game info or having someone teaching them and nobody got time or patience to teach noobs over and over), sense of disorientation that the vanilla client gives and lots of dumb shit such as anger at them for taking stuff from the floor or from eating berries 'cause they dunno what a pie is?

Goddemn am i depressed now.
Also... fucking necros.

Spoon, I have never played on a low pop server, so i really can only talk about bs2. Those are all possible things, yeah, it's just that they feel too hard to get for the actuall use that they can have.
A radio is really useful only when there are at least two sets of it, preferebly in different towns. But building it is such a long process that, in most scenarios, by the time a second town gets its own radio, the first one is already abbandoned.
The pictures now need the cooperation of all three specialized races to be made.

As for the clothes and old town meta, i too miss the different possibilities of town settings. Surviving off wild cactus fruits as a true cactus folk was fun. But having a fairly advanced town in a jungle and seeing everyone run butt naked, 'cause they had perfect temperature like that... it was kinda dumb. Why have clothes in the first place if they're only detrimental to survival and make you boil like an egg?

I agree with Legs here. "Everything runs out" meccanic tecnically should be able to transition in "Everything can be recycled".

I like the idea that some things run out. Like, it's not like there's an endless ocean of oil under the soil. One should be able to hunt wild animals until there are none left in the area. Wells do get exhausted if overused.

But i don't like the idea that there are no alternatives. Like, we have domesticated animals as an alternative to wild ones. Why can't we have, for example, a wind turbine as an alternative energy source to oil? Why can't we have rain or rivers as an alternative water source to wells? Engine doesnt support them? So why can't we have huge, repelisheble lakes to get water from? or why can't we get water from melted ice?

Why can't we breed rabbits just like we breed geese?

Personally, i really enjoyed the pre-rift state, with the three-town meta that would let a lineage survive for a long time. Compared to now, there was so much more freedom to explore the possibilities that this game had to offer.

The rift had its upsides. Being able to continue last life projects easly for example. And being able to find every town pretty easly.
The downsides were a lot more, sadly. Everything done would be for naught 'cause reset every couple of days. Early game just ceased to exist.
Overall it ended up feeling permanently the same.

Now the game feels like you get freedom, but you get to enjoy it with broken legs.
Every life I end up not being able to do what has to be done 'cause specialization.
Right now this game is in a much more fixed state than before and it has much more complex player interactions than what we had before (which was not that much tbh.) It did get better in some perspective. I don't dislike the limited oil nor the tool slots all that much. But the frustration that the family specialization is forcing is just too much.

I'd say that overall this game feels slightly pretty much as it felt in the last days of the rift. It's playable and it can be enjoyable too. But lives start feeling the same. You see your town deing out due to limitations and you can't do much about it.

Yeah, that's clearly what i meant by "us". You had to go a lot out of your way to misinterpret it in a way where you were a part of it.

Here i'm talking about the efficacy of a necroed thread vs that of a new thread + link. I'm not pinning shitposts of others on you? Again, you had to go out of your way to misinterpret it like that.

You had literally admited that when you necro a thread, you do it 'cause it ends up with more people reading the old posts. By accident, not choise. That's like, your very giustification for why you would prefere to necro instead of new+link. You're contradicting yourself here.

I hope that you do realize that if you keep doing that, you'll lose the respect of a lot of people.

Not really. I'm just a normal guy who can't stand it when others shit in their soup and then pretend like it's all ok. That's about it. You on the other hand... you need to chill a bit. You're getting a bit too aggressive and defensive at the same time.

I'm not choosing to feel annoyed though. There's a reason behind that feeling. And your emotions and your logic doesnt give you a right to dictate how others should act either..? Yet, you expect people to change their ways and start looking for dates of a post before reading it, so they wont end up wasting their time.

No. It does matter. That's literally one of the very few opinions about yourself that really matters. The others being those of people you care about.

So you don't. And yet you expect others to rethink their emotional reactions under logical perspective. This has to be a joke.

To be clear, in this situation i view "new thread + link" as a compromise between "necroing threads" and " letting old discussion die".

You think so? I think i'm doing a good job though. Now my comments are huge walls of text with lots quotes that state points that another person has made and the texts in between having the only purpose of invalidating the quote that it is under. It's actually a pretty neat format for arguments, now that i tried it.

Yes, really. This isnt even as much about the necriong stuff as it is about how you decided to take this discussion. What it started with, it was basically people asking you to stop necroing. Then it went on with explaining the reasons as to why we would ask you that. Look at it now. Insults and accusations. Though, tbh, i sorta expected it to end up this way.

You really don't realise where you've been controlling? Allow me to explain. People who click necroed threads are interested in the argument, mainly 'cause they think it to be something new. So they end up reading the comments. Nobody checks the dates because most people who check things regulary expect the top threads to be new. That's really a fair expectation to have imo. Then people progeed to read the comments. 'Cause obviously they were interested in the subject. Then they realize it's old news and either skip to the last comment or abbandon the thread alltogether. While by seeing a link to an old thread in a new one they would choose wether to see old news or not, by bumping a necroed thread directly you took that choise of theirs away. They ended up reading old comments anyway. By accident, not by choise. Which, as stated above, is the reason you would prefere necroing over the other method. Basically you do that to make them read old comments regardless of their choise.

Oh look, somebody is answering to my wall of text before reading it. I literally had the reasoning in the quote right under.

...Pretty sure you went a bit beyond "only talking" here. Regardless... weren't you necroing the threads aswell, with this reasoning?

I mean, yeah, i know. Everyone on the forums has that power. Perhaps i went a bit too far asking you to promise to renounce to that power. Really, though, what i really want is to be able to open top threads without having to be suspictious about wether it's a new upgrade inc. or a 1 year old discussion.

What do you mean "Nope"? Yep, it does cause the same short term mental annoyance.

Man, i'm a simple person. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. If i'm having a problem and you're the cause of it, then you'll end up having a problem with me being the cause of it. It's really simple mentality that i have. Can we just..... avoid the problems?

Yes and i've pointed out multiple times that it's not at all how it works in reality. So what i said stands.

But it has a mental effect of wasting some time reading old stuff that i had already read. And a mental effect of annoyance.

Pretty sure you didn't care at all wether they wanted to read those necros or not. All that mattered to you was that they would probably end up doing it. Pretty sure that a narcissists likes approval but would never inconvenience themselves to get it.
And you implying that necroing isn't being an inconvenience regardless of what others say has to be a joke. People now literally started looking at first comment's post date 'cause they're alert for necro threads.

Finally

This is really hilarious to hear from someone who has filled up his previous comments with insults. You gotta chill down a bit. For real. In the end, we're all buddies here who enjoy the same game.

That's funny. I also want you to grow up. And to learn to not take opinions and discussions as personal attacks. And to not see requests as an attempt to control you. And to learn to come to terms with others instead of forcing your way through everything. And to respect their choice.

And I too start to realize that it's probably too optimistic of me to hope for those things.

I'm not trying to control you. Or to shame you. I'm trying to change your mind, yeah. But what I'm really trying to acomplish is be able to open the forums without the fear of seeing necro threads.
Also, i wanted to argue with you one time. Believe it or not, you're really fun to argue with.