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For sake of brevity.

Perhaps a player should not expect to be able to complete the ultimate objective on first try. Managing to die of old age was an achievement for me in the early days, first milestone of sorts, why take it away.

Can you elaborate tho on whether you wish for new players to have starvation-immunity or if people should overall last longer on empty stomachs or what it is you are suggesting?
Yum mechanics are in place to help you eat less but you have to learn it first. Why would a new player instantly become a pro survivor, where is the fun in that.

You do live a life over and over, you as a human player live one hour one life over and over, exact conditions are irrelevant. Point is you are meant to live many lives with the ultimate goal of living a full life, but of course there will be challenges like premature death on account of inexperience which you can avoid by learning, otherwise who cares to play a game where you cannot fail.

Nowhere does it say you are guaranteed 60 minutes of life every life you play, the game simply provides you with the challenge to live one hour and the tools to achieve it.

If you cannot achieve in game what others can, it is not the games fault.

If I say 'I will teach you something', it is not guaranteed you will 'learn it', but that does not make me a liar.

By your logic if you play a football simulator game with part of the description being 'win football matches', then losing a match is false advertising since you are meant to win matches, correct?

I understand 'Live an entire life in one hour.' as one of the goals of the game which you can achieve if your skill is high enough. And I can certainly vouch for this, I have had many, many lives that lasted exactly one hour, as advertised, so the statement is objectively not false.

It's true, I do not know any of these things. All I have to work with is how you have presented yourself in this thread and that why I react to you the way I do. I am not looking for arguments, I just find it strange that someone would, seemingly, be opposed to combating hardcore griefers. If I misunderstood you, then explain your position better please, if you care to so do.

Nobody is locking you up. Other games have measures against the most extreme of griefers and for a good reason, this game should have it too, since we cannot rely on true life mechanics in a videogame and it is quite apparent how much of a problem these extreme griefers can be. The current system just needs to be balanced for fairness and effectiveness and that is what we are trying to achieve here.

If no effort is made to solve it, it will not be solved. Even if we fail, at least we tried and maybe eventually one attempt will work, just like the light-bulb anecdote. No point in discouraging this unless it is dangerous in some way.

Of course I dont own it, that's not how forums work, everybody is welcome to present their opinion, but it stands to reason that I would have special interest in this one. My goal is not to endlessly talk about it, but to come to some conclusions which would be productive and helpful for the future of the game. I like it, I want to help.

Don't forget that in order to chase you down, the anti-speeders themselves are technically speeding, thus absorbing all the blame and making you, the original speeder, blameless.

Eve Troll, you are clearly attempting to derail the conversation from the core issue, that is, repeated griefers who steal things en masse for no reason and the lack of defence against this.

Jason made it clear he prefers to understand the problem, rather than to have people throw half-assed solution at him, but for your sake I will drop some. Maybe it will help us understand each other a little bit more than not at all.

Solution ideas:
Add a step or two in the griefer punishment thresholds.
Lower the amount of curses it takes to disable a griefer locally, say 3-4 curses will make them unable to pick stuff up for certain short duration (yellow fever like), except for food items so they dont starve, and perhaps slow them down a little for the same duration. This will give people time to get together and discuss the griefer situation before it's too late, either understanding their reasoning or giving them more curses. It would be like a little village tribunal. If the griefer refuses to participate, it would likely be taken as indication of his guilt by the people.

Make it so curses are more effective against people who have already been successfully banished, so that next time they require fewer curses to be banished, at least for certain time, since they are a freshly convicted criminal, and are thus likely to find less understanding from normal people, I mean anti-griefers. If I hear strange noises coming from my neighbours house, who just got released from prison, I am more likely to call the police than if he's a guy who was in prison 20 years ago.

Make people over certain threshold of curses be unable to use carts for certain time, they can use other stuff, but this would drastically reduce their ability to cart stuff off. You can only do so much with what you can carry in a basket. Akin to taking drivers licence from people who run out of points, prior to putting them in prison.

And of course, make it so this is tied to actual play time, so that griefers have to use this account to serve their sentence, rather than jumping on another account while their ban runs out.

There are plenty of solutions if the problem is understood. You trying to smear the so called 'anti-griefers' is not going to work, due to flawed logic and lack of arguments based on actual reality most of us live in.

You do understand the problem is griefers who steal en masse and cause mass misery for no reason and no gain for anyone else, right? Not someone who takes your rope and runs around the house with it before giving it back, like older brother stuff or means to entertain others with harmless drama.

You are so unconvincing I cannot help but respond.

You chose your name because you are a griefer, no matter how you put it.
You bring up human nature from your earlier comment. Indeed it is in human nature to want to dominate others. It is also in human nature to desire justice above all else and develop systems to achieve it. That is why, as explained earlier, we have prisons and legal systems, which solve, to a certain degree, the problem with real life griefers. We need a reliable system like this in the game.

You say we want to force people into the box. No. We want to keep griefers out of the box. There would be no box in the first place if grifers weren't pointlessly abusing other people. Griefers are creating a problem, so called anti-griefers, or normal people as most would call them, are trying to respond and defend themselves. Without action, there would be no reaction. Please explain to me what stealing all food/tools/engines and dumping them in the forest is supposed to do for anyone other than the griefer?

Griefers fall under a playstyle like pedophiles fall under sexual orientation. Your attempt at framing 'anti-griefers' fails miserably, since by that logic, police detectives are criminals for combating actual criminals, since they are part of the cycle. Ridiculous.

The idea that griefers are just poor helpless babies who just want to harm others and cant help it is exactly why we need tools to remove them from society.

In what world is taking valuable items and abandoning them in the forest beneficial. Please do explain how stealing for no purpose other than to harm other people is beneficial. Had they been stealing it because the other town down the road needs it, fine, we can deal with that, we can understand their motivation. But what purpose is there in just wasting it so nobody can have it? After so many people did so much to acquire it? There is none. Only perverted pleasure from harming others while being untouchable. Cowards do that. You are a coward.

If those hypothetical people you refer to were griefers once and now they are not, then they are not a problem anymore and thus are welcome to live in society. Tho I suspect you pulled this 'fact' straight out the rear end of your digestive tract, just like everything else you said.

Thoroughly unconvincing.

You want us to believe you are impartial in this? How stupid do you think people on this forums are?

Of course, the fact that griefers take supplies to the forest clearly is caused by poor spawn points. How could poor spawn points not result in one person stealing supplies and dumping them in the forest?

Anything is better than nothing I'd say, and it would make sense to have a fence around your settlement, especially if stuff like war and raids are intended to take place, plus I would say it would give the settlement a nice form to build around.

It appears as tho the only blocker would be actually making the doors work.

Tho I am sure other options exist as well, this is just an hypothetical idea.

Not targeted at me, but I dont see what the fuss is about with the race system. If the avatars had blue, orange and green skins it wouldn't be such a problem. People in real life have those colours so he used those. I think we are focusing on wrong things, skin and hair is just an indicator of variety, not a political statement. Altho it is clear, in modern culture, that some people will see it that way no matter what your intentions were.

I see, so food would be stocked in a locked storage and doled out according to needs. That's not bad, tho there certainly are issues with it, such as what if the owner of the gate can't or won't open it. I suppose there is potential in this line of thinking, but it needs to be expanded.

I agree that doing it manually is a bad solution, for any dev. The idea of anti-griefer community tools is good and could quite reasonably work, it just needs more balance and harsher punishments for notorious offenders. Lower the amount of curses required each time you get over the limit, so that if you have successfully been banished, it takes less effort to banish you next time. Make it so the moment you cross the threshold you become unable to pick stuff up. Donkey fever. Little fuckers will get weeded out faster and will have to buy more copies of the game or learn new ways of griefing that will need to be identified and dealt with, win win.

There are solutions, they just need to be implemented and balanced out and I can think of no better time to do that than, ideally before, but even after sales. Griefers will buy more cheaper copies during sales so they will be far more active, right?

Problem is what I care about is prosperity of the community. I will only live one hour and I have to make the most of it so that I leave the world better than I found it. At least I though that's the idea.

Tho I suppose we could build an elaborate system of progressively larger and more complex property fence enclosures. It would take 59 minutes to go through and at the end you get to die free, unable to grief people.

This is such devastating news, but it's all out there, there is no sugarcoating it. I cannot escape a feeling of no longer having any hope for this project and concluding that the fun part comes against the wishes of it's owner and creator.

What a shame.

EDIT: the property fence thing cannot possibly work under current conditions. Would the griefer willingly enter a jail cell? Would they then stand there and be fed until death or would they starve and be born outside of cell to grief more. Would bbs be brought into the cell and let out once they have somehow proven they are not a griefer? What is the idea here other than a very short term and quite meaningless jail time. Oh right, griefers are one of the pillars of the community.

Are you serious? Is this really the case?