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#1 Re: Main Forum » A 'Nice' Chat about my Not-So-'Nice' Discord Ban » 2023-07-05 12:54:07

ru wrote:

As I claimed before, and you were so nice to clearly admit, you weaponized your Discord presence as an extension of your in-game griefing.

You cannot have both be true: A) that your in-game behavior is entirely separate and should not be a factor in the way people treat you, and B) that your lies and manipulation on the Discord were just tactics to help yourself in game.

In trying to have them both be true, you're just revealing how desperately you change your lies to fit the situation. I'm sorry, but your entire castle of bullshit has crumbled.

Please go find another community to torment.

I have addressed each of the accusations you copied and pasted thoroughly and sincerely. It seems, however, that you've chosen to perceive my responses in a manner fitting a predetermined narrative. Didn't the people, that you copied and pasted these false accusations from, weaponize discord against me? Didn't you just weaponize the threads against me?

It's not fair when there are numerous players, who have utilized Discord in ways that have caused harm to others. Are their actions not subject to the same scrutiny? Or are we only addressing actions that don't fit within certain acceptable parameters of gameplay?

It seems you're choosing to neglect this in favour of holding onto personal biases.

#2 Re: Main Forum » A 'Nice' Chat about my Not-So-'Nice' Discord Ban » 2023-07-04 20:13:26

CatX wrote:

Griefing isn't a playstyle.
Griefing is griefing.

This game places absolute beginners in towns with the most experienced players, and turns them into a family for a short hour. That's what makes this game special. Do we abuse it for our own entertainment, or do we make the most of the time we spend together?

If pvp is what you want, there are other games built for that. Be kind ingame and be mindful of the people around you.

No, we're talking about the OHOL discord server not a game ban.

#3 Re: Main Forum » A 'Nice' Chat about my Not-So-'Nice' Discord Ban » 2023-07-04 20:09:28

DiscardedSlinky wrote:

He was given the same warning you got, except he stopped.

I agree with slinky, here's proof that humbolt stopped. Here's a recent interaction between me and humbolt where he accused me for harassing a person that i dont know.

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After i added Moody I asked him/her why is humbolt saying this and Moody had no idea.

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#4 Re: Main Forum » A 'Nice' Chat about my Not-So-'Nice' Discord Ban » 2023-07-04 19:46:43

Ok Ru,

First this chat is supposed to be nice. It's a 'Nice' Chat about my Not-So-'Nice' Discord Ban. So take a deep breath and count to ten. I'll ignore your negative remarks but I’ll give you the last response even though everything you mentioned was explained already.

You posted six screenshots which all don't prove your point, let's go through the screenshots one by one:

Regarding the first screenshot. Where im having an arguement with another member in general chat. Yes, it was an unfortunate heated exchange, but it was long time ago and also a moment in time when I wasn't yet a griefer. When I grief somebody, i spicifically dont argue with them. This incident happened after enduring months of insults from the user in question. I tried to DM the person to resolve the issue and keep the past in the past and move on. I was very friendly in the DMs, so show me your proof of “harassing people in the DMs”.

The second screenshot, where it seems like Mirko is having an arguement. That occurred before I even known Mirko. As for the nature of the argument, I cannot tell the context or which channel was it, since the chat history isn't available to me now and i wasn't part of the arguement at all. So idk what that has anything to do with me.

The third screenshot where I say "the last person is me" was part of a strategy I used to divert players away from the Ginger family so that I could grief without interference. You can consider it like a war tactic. As a griefer, I am frequently up against at least five anti-griefers tracking me. If you look closely, you'll find at least one other player also mentioning my presence in the Ginger family at the same moment I posted "last person is me". It was a tactic, and it worked, don’t be so mad about it.

The fourth screenshot, where I had a conversation with Mirko, if I remember correctly, that was when I first met Mirko. She was new to the game, and I ended up teaching her quite a few things in the game.

As for the fifth screenshot, I admit that I used inappropriate language about Tarr in a different Discord server. The circumstances were intense and Tarr's actions that day were inappropriate too. But, as I mentioned, the discussion here is about my behavior in the OHOL Discord server, not elsewhere. Tarr insulted me a lot more, and in general chat spicifically. He told everybody to block me and ignore me at least 10 times. Also he posts popcorn gifs when people insult me or my friends. Here's an example of how Tarr treats me:

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Finally, the sixth image is actually a very friendly conversation were I asked a person if they rather me draw memes or visually aesthetic drawings, then the person asked me what do I mean by meme stuff, then I said by meme stuff I mean drawings that don’t have an appealing aesthetic but are generally funny, which people seem to like. However, I actually do think the meme style is funny and I like it, but it is not visually appealing which is not an insult. That person in the DM was a known person in the community, he the person ended up editing and deleting their messages to make it look like I’m insulting Mofobert. I still don’t see anything insulting and I think it’s friendly and wholesome.

Also not even one of these accounts you posted is me. Which only raises the question, are you just a bad detective? Or are you just trying to frame me? Idk which one is worse.

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I won't resort to reciprocating by accusing you of lying, despite the unkind remarks you made about me. You basically compiled every nigative remake other people wrote about me. Yes, I acknowledge that I engage in a lot of griefing, and it's understandable if you dislike me for it. However, it's important for you to exercise independent thinking and consider your words more carefully (and not just copy paste). Maybe come up with your own detective work next time we talk.

#5 Re: Main Forum » A 'Nice' Chat about my Not-So-'Nice' Discord Ban » 2023-07-04 16:28:26

Arcurus wrote:

I think there are two ways of looking at it.
1. As far as i know Jason allows this kind of different playstyles in OHOL but encourages the community to use the Donkey Town Mechanics to separate these players from others. With cheap alt accounts this mechanics seems currently broken. So out of this perspective modds / the community should separate between in game and Discord. Since i guess most of the community wont agree with you on grieving playstyles being an enrichment they will also Judge you out of the game for it.

I'm done explaining the cheap alt accounts accusation.

Arcurus wrote:

2. From a perspective of Karma (action and consequences) there is no separation between worlds, so your action in one
most likely affect your experience in another. You might be able to separate it mentally, but your perceived experience dos not. One belongs to the other, so enjoy the experience what you have created or change your actions.

I don't believe this should have direct implications on my participation in the Discord community, provided I abide by the platform's rules.

Arcurus wrote:

3. Since Discord mods should i guess not judge about what you do in game i guess best way to complain is to write directly to Jason or ask first some senior modds to rule in. Still i guess this will in the end not make your perceived experience much better since 2. universal law of consequences still applies. So best solution is either drop pvp or search a game / server where others like the same thing as you.

This discussion is more about how we as a community, inclusive of moderators, interpret and apply rules. I do agree that it may not change the entirety of my experience, but it's crucial for ensuring that all voices are heard and all members feel treated fairly.

Lastly, on your suggestion of dropping PVP or looking for a server that supports my playstyle, I would argue that diversity in playstyles is part of what makes OHOL unique. As long as we maintain respect for each other and the game's rules, I believe there's room for all kinds of players.

Arcurus wrote:

And yea nice piece of art!

Yes, I agree, thanks!

#6 Re: Main Forum » A 'Nice' Chat about my Not-So-'Nice' Discord Ban » 2023-07-04 16:17:41

Hello Ru,

Firstly, thank you for taking the time to write such an elaborate response. It's always good to engage in healthy discussion, so let's dig into the points you've raised.

1. Regarding my discord server created by Bobo: You've painted an intriguing image of the server, but the reality is a little bit different. It was designed as a space for individuals like myself who enjoy griefing. That's right, we are not ashamed to admit that we enjoy the thrill of bear-luring and property fence trapping. However, I believe in keeping the game in the game and be respectful in the chat.

It's unfortunate that a member flooded the server with disgusting imagery that is in no way representative of our collective identity or intention, and I'm genuinely sorry for any disruption caused but I am not responsible for other people's actions nor I have the time to give them my attention. I frankly don’t appreciate it when you attribute other people’s actions to me. Remember that attributing the actions of a few individuals to everyone within a group is a classic example of the fallacy of hasty generalization. So I’ll ignore everything you said about other individuals.

2. Regarding using the discord as a weapon: My intention wasn't to turn OHOL Discord into a battlefield. I am a griefer in the game, and I talk about it openly, but I strive to maintain a cordial environment in the chat, where we can all share our experiences, victories, and yes, even our unconventional in-game strategies. I don't believe any of us signed up for a game that is only farming and crafting, did we?

The notion that I was trying to undermine the mod team is not true at all. I respect the mod team, and everything I said to them have always been respectful. If misunderstandings have arisen, it might stem from our different ways of enjoying the game rather than a coordinated attempt at creating discord (pun intended!). I maintain that I have never used out-of-game platforms to harass or cause distress to other players or moderators. When I pinged the moderators, it was not to stir up trouble, but to seek help in situations where I felt harassed or targeted. It was not about gaining attention but about resolving conflicts that arose due to misunderstandings.

Now, to the "not so fun facts" section of your response, which are mainly a list of baseless accusations I already replied to, but here we go again.

Trying to sway the banner contest? I'm half expecting an accusation of being an alien from outer space next! Sadly, this doesn’t have any basis in reality. We all love a good story, but let's keep our feet on the ground.

Property Gate Mechanics and Apocalypse Towers: Using the mechanics of a game to the fullest extent is part of being a player. I do not condone exploiting or cheating. If any of my actions led to game imbalance, I believe it's for the game developers to correct those mechanics.

Ancient Stone Walls and Airplane Exploits: Again, I assure you I've never exploited the game's mechanics. I play within the rules provided to me by the game.

Regional Pricing and Burner Accounts: I want to clarify that I've never used the regional pricing to buy burner accounts. These claims are completely false.

Lastly, your point about Jason and the mods working in harmony is an optimistic view, and I hope it's true. The concern arises when certain players are singled out due to their play style. Let's encourage a healthy gaming environment that respects all styles of play and keeps the spirit of the game alive.

#7 Main Forum » A 'Nice' Chat about my Not-So-'Nice' Discord Ban » 2023-07-04 04:03:36

MEDO
Replies: 23

Hey OHOL Community,


Hope you're all living it up in the wild world of OHOL. Meanwhile, I find myself, surprisingly banned from our beloved Discord server. The reason for my ban? Abstract reasons such as ambiguous accusations of baiting arguments, discord DMs issues, being unnice and being unfriendly and unwelcoming (very vague).

For those who don't know, I'm a griefer, who enjoys the game in a way that some might find unconventional. However, even though I might play differently, I have always maintained a cordial approach outside of it. But it seems that my unique play style has led to certain misunderstandings.

My experience hasn't exactly been a happy stroll in the OHOL wilderness. I've encountered some less-than-nice behavior and accusations, which I found to be unjust. Even when these situations arose, the response from the moderation team wasn't quite what I expected. They did not offer any help, which, tbh, hurted sometimes, smh.

Some instances I wish the moderation team helped with:

•    Few days ago, someone joined my Discord server, we had a good time, and then, unexpectedly, they kicked everyone out and deleted all the content. They later bragged about it in the OHOL general chat, which I found unpleasant and disheartening. Despite my attempts to seek help, the situation was largely ignored by the mods.

•    I've been at the receiving end of some accusations, ranging from racism to sexism, and others. However, these claims are not true. My interactions have always been within the realms of the game, and never intended to personally offend anyone.

•    There have been instances where some OHOLians have expressed negative sentiments towards me due to my play style, which I believe goes against the spirit of a diverse gaming community.

•    A particular mod has raised several accusations against me, which I firmly deny. I respect the mod and the tough job they have, but the mod keeps accusing me for buying alt accounts with different currencies and sending harassment DMs etc. Should this mod be policing me outside the scope OHOL discord server? If so, can I be banned for such policing? I don’t believe so, because the things that happen outside of the discord server such as DMs and other discord servers are outside of the moderators’ knowledge and I deny them all.

So here's the long and short of it:

If I was banned for being ‘unnice’ in the OHOL discord server, there seems to be an imbalance in 'niceness' in our community. While I'm out here trying to be the 'nice' person in the general chat, I'm met with 'unniceness'. Doesn't seem quite fair, does it?

If I've been banned for actions outside the Discord server, isn't that like being given detention for not doing your homework at home? My game-play shouldn't attract unwarranted and unproven accusations, nor what people try to say I said in other discord servers or in the DMs.

My gaming experience in OHOL has been challenging. I'm hoping for understanding and a fair resolution. Let's work towards an inclusive environment, where we can all enjoy the game as it is meant to be.


Cheers to more life (and hopefully less banishment) in OHOL!

Also here's a drawing i tought my younger sister how to draw

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