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Well that's a good point, that we shouldn't be spending too much time at the farm.  I for one usually use a town more as a hub then a place to live, preferring cacti and far away bushes.

But this is totally a major point of my post: we can't ignore the average player.  In the case you're bringing up, the typical new player isn't experienced enough to roam around and survive.  Well, regardless of why, new players survive with carrot farms (and other town-made resources).

If we want our towns to grow, let alone the game, we have to support the new player.

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Edit: regarding new players

The primary reason males are important in this game is for growing the population without setting up a famine in the coming generations.

Famines are one of the biggest issues that all towns face.  When a population gets too many people, food will dry up and only the most experienced will survive.  Often no fertile female will remain, leading to the most obvious problem with famines: extinction.

The fact is, there are still overwhelming numbers of relatively new players that don't know quite how many babies to keep.  It was already mentioned that there is a natural impetus to try to raise as many babies as one can.  But even once one realizes that it is possible to have too many babies, it still takes experience to estimate just how many people can fit into your village's future.

But by birthing males you can ensure that your baby won't grow into an oversexed, famine inducing machine.  Note that it is not relevant that an optimal player can choose to ignore their femininity.  Actual players, the ones you will be giving birth to, are not generally wise enough to live without trying to raise excess children.

It is very often that you have a few baby girls running around, but the village could really use half a dozen or more workers next generation.  One should be birthing boys in this situation!  You really only need one or two girls to survive to adulthood for such a village to keep birthing at an appropriate rate in the future.  But by raising half a dozen girls, some probably inexperienced and ignorant to wiser peers, the village is at serious risk of famine in the next generation.

Depending on the capacity of your village, the total number of villagers you want may be different but the same idea holds.

Birthing males allows one to enact control on your grandchildren's generation without sacrificing the productivity of your children's.

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Edit: "half a dozen girls"

Stop persecuting the man.

He only referred to everyone directly as customers to counter the ridiculous and hateful post that he was replying to.  We are customers, that's not false.  But in contexts where he's not being harassed, he doesn't point that out.

Treating someone like they have no right to object to such bullshit simply because they are a developer shows how little experience you have in a position of authority.  Of course it's not a good strategy to fight fire with fire at that level of disrespect.  If you would like to remind someone of this fact, do it without stooping even further.  But acting like a developer has no right to defend his name, that's a peculiar kind of ignorance.

We should be supporting and congratulating the developer for his hard work and great game.  If you disagree with the direction he's taking it, you can state your opinions where appropriate and succinctly.

Just like for anyone else, there's no excuse for verbally bashing him or continuously bringing up the same critiques that he has consistently addressed over and over again.

The perseverance to continue working overtime on this after all the crap thrown his way is admirable.  One should be ashamed for making snarky and disrespectful posts and stop nitpicking his minor mistakes.

Edit: "prosecuting" works okay, but "persecuting" is better.

yea i believe most are down.

but sammoh's is definitely up.  you do have to join the discord though and ask an admin for the password.

you just send message like "@admin can i get the password?".  the @admin pings an admin.  you probably have plenty of experience to pass the test to get the password, if they still do it.

The vast majority of the 666, aka Satant, lives are undoubtedly bots.

They clearly exist on all low pop servers seemingly non-stop.  You will most likely spawn as baby to them (unless they are on child phase of their life).

The vast majority behave the same way, moving a lil bit in regular intervals and doing nothing else besides spewing 666 when old enough (and 6 or 66 till then).

To counter, simply respawn in a server until you spawn as Eve or to a non Satant.

Maybe hacking the client to allow faster respawning (without having to exit the game and reload everything) would be nice.

Btw you can logon to multiple servers with one key.  I just tested it by copying my game folder and running two instances.  On Linux, you don't even have to have multiple game copies to do it.

Totally right.

This feature is really old, unchanged at least since release.

Now that we know how big an issue communication is, this should be eased up.

Babies and kids could still have a tough time, but by puberty you should be able to give instructions to your kids unhampered.

Edit:

Start a suggestion on the subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/OneLifeSuggestions/

The basic natural advantage a town should have over an outsider is numbers.  But an organized group should be capable of overrunning a town.  So the solution should focus on the power of numbers.

I think a vulnerability system, not a wounds system, could solve the current problem.  It would keep the ability to one-shot people if they are not prepared, but disable one person from unrealistically rampaging a town.  Crucially, a fight between multiple prepared people favors the group with the larger number.  See my post from a month ago: https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=480

A more drastic measure would be some kind of karma system.  Since you've admitted that there is an intrinsic lack of realism in people having memory between lives, why not fight fire with fire?

Because this game is complex.

This is a super important concept to the whole project.

In complex systems, like multiplayer games, you can't prevent everything you don't like and guarantee everything that you do.  You usually don't even want to.  Most of the wonder of the game is experiencing things not explicitly programmed.

So when Jason is trying his best to keep destruction and murder in the game, he is hoping we can have enough collective maturity to not abuse these features.

Ultimately, if enough people can't control themselves so that the environment is sufficiently toxic, those features will probably be removed.

And that would be to the detriment of the game and us all.

He's obviously been working very hard but can't have the exact same order of priorities that everyone else does.  Fixing the server data saving and retrieving issues, for example, was extremely important.

Well, I was personally disappointed with the glorification of the 111 gen in the update notes, since their actions seemed to be very much against the spirit of the game.  Though it was still an impressive accomplishment so I sympathize with choosing to acknowledge it.

But he has been actively trying to make the game easier for the early gens.  Hopefully he's thinking about improving the situation for the fourth or so gen, but we have to have some patience.  He's just one person.

Yeah, I also like the idea of karma attached to player accounts.

I think it's reasonable that a few new players might see this post, even if the majority do not.

And it is the forum users who are more likely to join in on the behavior I'm speaking about.  And forum users can help continue the conversation, come up with ideas, etc.

Yes, the thrust of my argument has nothing to do with these griefs.

Oh okay, you think it's authoritarian to believe that the developer should have the final say.  The developer has been very active in the community and takes a surprising amount of advice from people he's never met irl into consideration, so his mind is not even close to the only influence on the game design.

Note that I said in my OP that I also believe that griefing is a big problem.  I think we should keep bringing up issues like this and work with the developer to help improve the game.  And making mods or other games, even by literally forking the github repo, is a great way to contribute to the community.

I think it is wrong to massively grief to the point of forcing the developer to cave to your vision of the game.  As I stated in the OP, it seems very clear that the developer is aware of any issues such griefing may supposedly be revealing, so this is really tantamount to objecting to the developer's ability to get the final say.

But if you think that the basic idea of a developer getting the final say over their project is wrong, please elaborate.  I think that is an interesting idea and is certainly unusual.

For one, there's simply too much to do for this single developer.  If we can help the atmosphere by preventing as much griefing as possible (like this type of griefing), the developer does not need to spend as much effort on preventing it.  Basically, if it isn't broke, it doesn't need fixing.  Adding to the problem makes the strain even bigger on the developer.

And generally, believing that the player base has nothing to do with the success of a game is crazy.  All of our actions make the game environment what it is.  Yes, there will always be negativity, but we can change our ways and speak up against the wrongs.  If everyone decided to be assholes, the game would suck.  If we all worked on ourselves, the game would improve.  The meta of the game is in the balance between good and bad intentions and you get to decide on how you will contribute.

Wow, I always thought that site automatically pulled from the most recent release.  You guys are on it.

Btw thanks for your work on that great app.

And also thanks InSpace, your posts are always great.

Yeah I think the problem is that currently Jason feels there are too many Eves spawning.  Higher requirements on birth would increase the Eve spawns.

Also, this puts more baby care strain on villages, where babies are often abandoned anyways.  I think this is better than wild Eve babies but whatever.

But if those issues ever get resolved, I think every Eve should only be able to spawn one child to simulate possible pregnancy from before the Eve left wherever they were born.  After that, she, like all other fertile females, should require some kind of contact with a man before the possibility to birth.