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673751 wrote:Just saw someone stab an old woman, just for saying shed suicide to the life she wanted because she wants to be a girl (it came up in discussion). What has this game come too? Are people like me really not allowed to voice such an opinion without being oppressed?
Thats just messed up. You don't agree with someones anti suicide opinion and you gotta worry about getting stabbed if you say anything.
What a nice environment.
I have been the Eve that had one, boy, child her entire life, along with an endless string of suicide babies. I have been the lineage's last fertile girl, and watched my lineage die because every baby suicided.
I wasn't the only one. It was a problem for both large towns and small, and something needed to be done. People BEGGED Jason for an answer. This is what we got.
Baby suiciders was a HUGE problem, no matter how you think of yourselves. It literally did turn into an 'us and them' scenario, since 'they' were literally killing lineages and preventing Eve camps from getting the players they needed to survive. When the problem blew up as big as it did on these forums, there's going to be a period of unsettlement while people find a new equilibrium.
You don't like the answer. That's fair, because we didn't like having endless strings of suicide babies. At the very least, this gives me a chance to pick up my daughter and give her a name when I'm 35+ and childless, so I can curse the little miscreant that ended my lineage.
You guys can be mad about it all you want, but that doesn't give anyone a right to try and dictate my life, or call me trash, or refer to us as "you people" it's amazing how I didn't realize just how disrespetful people are.
My suciding helps many lineages.
But even if it doesn't doesn't make those other things right.
This right now is a matter of respect everytime you make someone stay it's disrespectful to both child and parent. Every time you try to take a real live players choice away. Disrespectful. Everyrime you call us "you people", or "trash", disrespectful.
I'm not saying that suciding is always respectful, cause it's not. But before this update, I bothered to at least greet the damn mother. Now I can't take the chance because people who think they can dictate our lives, would make me stay if I used even a second to mutter the world.
Why, because they don't agree with us. And how we play. I don't always agree with everyone either, but if you are a decent person, you respect their ideals and opinons any way.
I don't think it's at all too much to just ask for players to show some damn respect.
And give us a choice.
I've been that eve too, trust me many times. But I don't make them stay, because I wouldn't want them to make me stay.
Like Jason likes oh so much, it's called realism not every eve camp will be successful just like not everything in real life is successful.
Or take this one, i was Maniah Stone as well. Again, if i hadn't of suicide the last life, i wouldn't have made it to be the last girl of the stone family. Who if you look at the family tree, made a come back from me helping the gen 13 shortage, to make it to gen 21! GJ Fam!
I don't remember who the last family was, i just know they didn't really need me.
http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=1282211
I also note that in this life, my daughter Kendra wanted to suicide, but i asked her to stay, and seeing that i needed it, she did. And she worked her butt off the whole time i knew her.
I Also thank April from this life, she kept me fed and fed the fire so i can have ideal conditions to revitalize the town. Which when she was old enough i then returned. (We thought it was funny to joke how she was a child slave and then when i was her slave, it was funny to muse about how elder abuse worked lol. But that didn't stop her from feeding me berries as i lay on my death bed that's for sure.) was so proud when you smiled and showed your first living daughter to me, its unlike anything i have ever felt in my real life. This one hour family felt like my real family (like it often does)
Like this family, my mom died the second i was born, i was the only girl. If i hadn't sucided the last life of a big town with 5 girl kids in it, i never wouldve made it.
http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=1284020
(Thanks gma for feeding me)
More examples where that came from too.
Play less.
So I should have to stop playing a game I fished out $20 for because people don't wanna be respectful and accept my playstyle?
I don't mean any offence, but that's ridiculous.
It takes about 5 secs to not be an ass and ask do you want to live?
If they say no and you don't need them
Let them go!
I can't tell you how many times my personal suciding has saved a lineage. I could show you my life logs, many a times I was either eve or the last girl of the village.
I don't think it's too much to ask you give us the decision to let us sucide and do what we want with our own time.
gabal wrote:I guess I'll just start asking my babies do they want to stay as well as are they new. Or we'll develop shorthand like we did with f for babies.
X for krave me to die or something like that.
I'm gonna feed once and drop them, then see if they run or say F or try to follow me. I really don't like the interrogation part when raising children..
I wish babies could say a word and not just a letter. So exhausting to try and make sense of them.
Much Appreciated, and me too. Maybe one day we will have a mod for that. Don't ever see jason going against his speech age realism
I guess I'll just start asking my babies do they want to stay as well as are they new. Or we'll develop shorthand like we did with f for babies.
X for krave me to die or something like that.
Thanks man, good to see a good chunk of people are willing to be respectful about it. ^^
Just saw someone stab an old woman, just for saying shed suicide to the life she wanted because she wants to be a girl (it came up in discussion). What has this game come too? Are people like me really not allowed to voice such an opinion without being oppressed?
Thats just messed up. You don't agree with someones anti suicide opinion and you gotta worry about getting stabbed if you say anything.
What a nice environment.
I knew this would bring out some baby suiciders on the forums. Seems like most of them were lurkers, Understandly considauring most people have nothing but distain towards you people.
I can understand some suicides, Like if your a boy I'm not gonna stop you if you insist. Infact, I'd be more then willing to provide you with a lineage ban as that benefits us all. I do think it's cunty to suicide on the same person many times, It's quite frustraiting for me when over half my babies are runners and I only end up with a couple sons.
I don't think Awbz is always very accurate, like it may you there are fertile females around they could be about to go grey. "Oh look, Awbz says this town got 2 fertile females already bye!". You suicide on them assuming they will be fine but they only have boys and girl suiciders and the line dies out. But I'm glad you won't knowingly suicide if you know that your the last, Many will have no mercy and suicide anyway.
I do agree that it's a waste of resources to try and force a suicider to stay unesseraily, Obviously the best solution is to put you down and stab you so you don't keep coming back again and again.I do find it interesting that you say "The game is nothing to me without parenthood" so you literally only play to have babies. You say this while actively depriving other players of parenthood, The most importent thing from your prespective. You've been in situations where most/all your babies have relentlessly suicided, Perhaps you could see why some would want to hold onto you.
Maybe you could try sticking with some lives you wouldn't normally, Maybe a change of scenery will do you some good.
No offence, but no matter how i choose to play, how any of us choose to play, im pretty sure it isnt real respectful to refer to us, as "you people"
And you are right the mod might not always be right, which is why i zoom out, and i check...
Also, as i said i usually will leave if it is something ridiculously high such as 4 fertile females and 6 girl kids. Two fertile females and no girl kids, i'd stay.
And yes i do really like to play to raise kids. Believe it or not im deprvied of parenthood by some players too. But do i force them to stay if they dont want too? No. Because if it was me i wouldn't want to be forced to stay.
Yeah, I was worried this might anger people, but I also understand that Jason wants to keep things true to his vision. Watched a woman hold her child in a death grip till he was well past the age he should have been breast feeding. He wanted to suicide. It was such a waste of everyone's time and resources. I'm interested to see how this turns out in the long run though.
Yeah honestly, id rather shut off my whole pc and unplug the internet than stay against my will like that.
673751 wrote:i get your point, many a times i got an eve run plenty of food all babies sucided. But the thing is, we only sucide to be more useful how is that fair to us to be punished for people who doom others lineages?
Why should others be able to force us to stay against our will as another family hopes for a girl to come which is a hope we could fill?
This is just smh.
How does abandoning an eve camp with plenty of food yet literally no children around help in any way or form? I've had so many eve runs fail just because all the babies were assholes and suicided before I could even ask them to stay, or because I was out collecting something and they didn't stay long enough for me to explain there's a camp nearby.
Yes, there are other camps. But there are also other players who can fill that void. You shouldn't condemn one town just because another might need a player more.
Anyways, my original point is that there's pros and cons to this.
One pro is that mothers now have the chance to explain their situation and ask a child to help them. Not everyone solely suicides out of populated villages, or thinks before they bolt, or suicides for good reason. This gives mothers a brief chance to change their mind.
One con is that it takes longer for those suiciding out of overpopulated places might have to wait a little bit longer to do so. 3 minutes isn't terribly long, and they're more likely to drop you before then. Yes it's annoying, but it's not the end of the world either.
Another of my points was that a decent player shouldn't force a kid to stay regardless, and that it'll probably become a more common meta for mothers to ask their babies if they want to stay or not. Keeping a baby that doesn't want to be there will probably end up in the kid suiciding at 3 anyways, or wreaking havoc in typical baby tantrum fashion.
You honestly took what i said wrong, 99% of the time im sucidcing so i can play in the eve camps lol
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Also to OP, I can feel you dude. As someone who suicides regularly out of situations I'm not needed in [usually super busy towns that have a bunch of girls already] this update isn't my favorite.
But on another note, I'm kinda glad for it too. There are a lot of people who suicide for worse reasons- I get a lot of suicides during eve runs, for example, even if I have a great spot picked out. At least this gives mothers in dire situations a chance to ask the baby to stay, or explain their situation.
I do think a smart mother should let them go if they really want to, though. Maybe even stab them if you can- give them a lineage ban, so they don't get reborn there. It's a plus for both sides in this scenario.
i get your point, many a times i got an eve run plenty of food all babies sucided. But the thing is, we only sucide to be more useful how is that fair to us to be punished for people who doom others lineages?
Why should others be able to force us to stay against our will as another family hopes for a girl to come which is a hope we could fill?
This is just smh.
i only do so with last name, i dont like same last name twice (as eve). As for kids i wont rename the kid same name in one gen but i will reuse in other gens.
673751 wrote:Aurora Aurora wrote:I want to thank you for introducing me to this mod and Im ashamed of myself for not knowing about it earlier
Cheers!
No problem man. Untill this update it had insta respawn/death but with this new disconnect thing, it was removed from the mod. Makes my life 10 times more difficult.
Hope you enjoy the mod, i certainly do.
This has turned into a whole thing of trying to fix my computer now cause the mod wont fucking run
Did you copy and paste to your main game folder?
I want to thank you for introducing me to this mod and Im ashamed of myself for not knowing about it earlier
Cheers!
No problem man. Untill this update it had insta respawn/death but with this new disconnect thing, it was removed from the mod. Makes my life 10 times more difficult.
Hope you enjoy the mod, i certainly do.
Maybe you could find another way to be needed? You know... making compost, building a pen, breeding the first sheep/cow etc. Setting up the foundation for society to advance not just building from nothing?
You can still play a parent role by taking care of the little ones by teaching them how to play if they're new (steam is coming so there will be enough). You'll be a wise uncle passing knowledge. That's parenthood too in a way. God knows the mother wont have time seeing how she'll be plagued by children all the time.
I'm always happy to teach new players, but sometimes i want something specific and i don't feel like boring myself with a monotone big city life. Usually in the city, i'm always stuck farming...
And after five playthroughs in a row of just farming, or just misc city work i don't want anymore of that. Give me a challenge send me to an eve camp, i bet they want someone both willing and some what experienced like me just as much as i want to play there and start at the beginning of the tech tree.
Three mins seems a long time to waste if you have only say one hour total and you just popped on.
I don't get why we should be punished for having free will to play how we wish.
I try being polite and type out p.u.t d.o.w.n p.l.s
they say "nope ur stuck"
which just angers me more tbh
so i threatened to kill there whole family when i grew up and they stabbed me.
And everyone shouted "bad bby"
but honestly good riddance, when i play its at least polite if you don't need the bby to ask them "do you want to live yes or no?"
and then respect their wishes.
One person did ask, but when i said no, they refused to let me die...
As a side note, i really love this game and respect Jason, i just believe things shouldn't be implemented to try and tell me how to play. I never hurt anyone in game, and when i do stay i work hard. I just ask i be allowed to play how i wish to play, with my limited time...
First off, i dont usually post so this bothered me so much that i decided to get off my lazy butt to post this.
This new thing with not wiggling out of arms, i can see it could be useful especially if the bby is needed.
But for people like me i have a specific way of playing and i dont want to be forced to stay because some mom refuses to put me down.
You make me stay. You piss me off. You piss me off, i react in kind and ill make ur life a living hell.
Don't force me to stay if i don't want to.
If i don't want to stay i'm certainly not going to be a productive member of your society.
YOU ARE WASTING BOTH MINE AND YOUR TIME
AND YOUR RESOURCES
To raise me. The second you need to eat and put me down, im running like a rabbit out of hell.
I promise you.
I have this code, i only stay as a baby when my certain conditions are met. They are as follows.
I must be a GIRL
The town must really NEED me
Why?
One, boys suck the game is nothing to me without parenthood
Two, if you don't need me im gonna find someone who does, like an eve or a big town who has no girl kids.
And how do i know if i have them or not at a glance?
I use onelife plus mod.
https://github.com/Awbz/OneLife
If i look into my linage panel and you have 5 girl kids and 4 fertile women, i don't want to stay. I can find someone who needs me much more. And has say only themselves fertile and no girl kids and only has three years to go till old.
Let me sum how i feel in one word:
Pissed.
Joriom wrote:You don't beat the tutorial. Its the tutorial that beats you. Accept it. Embrace it. And set
tutorialDone.ini
to 1.
Where do I do that? in the files?
Yea it will be in your game folder, in the folder settings