a multiplayer game of parenting and civilization building
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I have been building a master planned bell town. I just started ringing the bell so people can come to it (I was working to keep people out until I "finished").
I have work tomorrow, but road construction shall begin soon.
The bell town is rely nice designed. You have done great work.
I hope you will like little cow pen which i build there today.
The system seems so backwards and luck based. Realistically there's not much you can do to keep your kids alive longer. Things like building up the town or teaching them provide intangible and arguable benefits to them. They either live or they die and you can't do anything about it. You can live to 60 every life, making very small personal gains but making huge losses from your children. You're punished for having a high score and rewarded for having a low one so it works to average everyone out around 30.
In practice it basically caps everyone at 7 total tool slots. You'd have to be a top 100 player to get those 7 slots, and a top 20 player on the leaderboard to make it to 8 slots. The genetic fitness system just doesn't work. Even after several reworks it remains completely broken.
Its what I have noticed I now you confirmed than I was right.
System is design to keep you around 6 slots like in the cage.
It also created new kind of griefers . I call them score trolls. Jest look at lives of ten players at the bottom of the leaderboard.
I hate living in a cage.
I hate to be a slave to trolls.
I feel rebellious.
miskas wrote:Does your little sister count the same as your kid?
Is there any weighted multiplier or all gene relatives are equally important?Everyone is equally important
Rose wrote:My daughter decided to starve at 11.
I was punished by her death loosing -0.67. and she lost only -0.50
I as her mother lived to 60 and got +0.31 and she got from me +0.47
______ _______
After this game - I : -0.36 She : -0.03How is it possible?
How the algorithm works?You have a higher gene score than your daughter so you lose more points from early deaths, and gain less points from long lives. Your gene score is higher so the game's expectations of you are higher as well.
I haven"t lost from my death ( I lived to 60 and gain +0.31 ). I lost from HER death more then she. (and she gain from my life more then I)
How do you explain this?
My daughter decided to starve at 11.
I was punished by her death loosing -0.67. and she lost only -0.50
I as her mother lived to 60 and got +0.31 and she got from me +0.47
______ _______
After this game - I : -0.36 She : -0.03
How is it possible?
How the algorithm works?
Punkypal please start building the road.
We have total chaos on the map.
Our kids are not children. They are adult people. I am not their babysitter.
I am fed up with loosing points from starving kids.
If they don"t know how to eat their place is in tutorial.
If they want to starve their place is in "Donkey Town".
So what you're saying is, I should curse early and often. Once as soon as I'm old enough to utter a curse and again in old age. Curse them before they can curse you. That's the message you're sending.
By definition I am the only person that matters. My actions and opinions are all that matter. It's a multiplayer game sure, in the sense that I am the actor and you are my audience. Other players only exist to witness my glory. That's the only purpose they serve. If they conflict with that purpose, I will destroy them. That's how this game works. Cower and pray that I'm merciful in allowing your family's existence.
Yes Legs, you should curse a lot.
Curse me Legs and I will enjoy to be born far from you.
I become creepy uncle two days ago (I tried to yum food) I manage keep alive all my family members but most of them died few minutes after me.
In next life I found another strategy.
I had 6 kids within 2 min. other mams also put their kids next to fire. I spam all the time DON'T STARVE KIDS REMEMBER TO EAT STAY ALIVE DON'T STARVE KIDS and .... one of my sans starved next to fire so I cursed him using his name I CURSE X Y.
Reaction of kids : "?" "WHY" "?"
I : Because he starved! Don't starve kids.
After this town was fool of kids everyone with berry or carrot in hand. Even twin of my cursed son didn't dare to starve.
Maybe build the Main Road half way between two most advanced towns.
They will try connect each other so in natural way will be also connected to main road.
The new one will start down the road.
This way we will avoid the trap of one big bell town surrounded by dead settlements or cluster of bell towns competing of natural resources from the sames bioms and looting each others with many occasional killings and wars.
Maybe there just needs to be a rule that the account that triggers the apocalypse can't login for "x" days afterwards? Make it "hungry work" IRL.
The_Anabaptist
And when we again start seeing nice towns connected by roads he or she will return to destroy them again?
The price for triggering apocalypse should be higher.
Maybe sent him for xx hours to Monkey town or even better create a new kind of curse " I CURSE APOCALYPSE TRIGGER" which could be possible for all apocalypse witnesses and those who are born within one hour after.
+1 on Punkys suggestions, but unfortunately Jason wont do anything to make apocalypse harder because it suits his vision of the game.
Apocalypse hits us more painful then reset of the map. We are scattered in camps far away from each other. If one of two essential races died out new Eve who represent them will spawn thousand tiles away. This will set us in dry deep wells civilization (In other words - medieval )
Tool slots and new genetic score system adds another problem.
To start proper Eve camp you need 2 veterans or 3 semi advanced players. After previous apocalypse we set record 78 kids born to one women and lost 17 score points in one life.This time might be worse because OHOL is on sale.
Who of you is willing to LOGIN and risk to end up with 4 tool slots after one life?
we just have apocalypse
How many times we will start from scratch ?
Do you remember "berry munchers" ?
Now we have new generation who doesn't even know how to munch a berry.
I just lived to 60 as a male in a town next to bell town.
Another 4 points down thanks to my nieces, nephews, great nieces and great nephews.
How they manages to starve between full berry bushes plenty of carrots and 40 pies in the kitchen? (All within 3 screens)
So goodbye genetic fitness score
Where the pitbulls of one hour one life growl
You can't plant me in your pine house
I'm going back to my stone hoe
Back to the howling old wolf in the badlands
Hunting the rabbit family holes
Oh I've finally decided my future lies
Beyond the genetic fitness score.
+1
It is beautiful.
Yes: " goodbye genetic fitness score"....
After loosing so many points yesterday I fell FREE !!!!
I will go to nomad life. I can survive in wilderness as a naked 3 years old kid with some berries in a bowl or berry bush within sight.
More restrictions. We rebuild after apocalypse too quickly.
After nearly two years I am "jack of all trades".
The Zoom is not a problem. You need it only to travel long distances if you are looking for specific bioms. First time I instaled Zoom last week.
Yesterday I was #45 on the leaderboard, but... I have played a lot today.
Someone find tarry spot, after he died I finish his work and now it provides oil for few towns and our only bell town. I helped to keep them alive having babies, hunting making tons of food, clothes, tools and rubber. I worked for others not for me.
Today after many hours of play I am #250 on the leaderboard.
I cant get more philosophical about the newbie mortality rate but losing tool slots hurts.
In almost every town when I was born (except bell town) i used to build tiny stone cow pen with two tables. For this you need 6 slots. (You need more to prevent town from collapsing ).
And I'm just sitting here and wondering why a cherry tree is suggested instead of an apple tree. Sure you could also do marmelade with cherries which is kinda nice, but isn't the apple tree a bit more common in general and also think about the apple pies! mmmhh...
We need low pip (1 or 2) auto-renewable food source.
It would be ridicules if berry had more pips than apple.
When giving babies and kids backpacks, put a pie in the BP for them.. Tell them they have food in their BP for when they get hungry.
If it is a Zoom problem, them having food on hand will help when they can't seem to find where the food is. Also, I always show my babies where the kitchen is and then when they grow up, I drop them off at the berry bushes so they know where they are.
If the player seems newish, I randomly feed them when I go by them just to make sure they live. I do that with the town kids at times as well. lol
What about twins who died on me just after I fed and named them. They gave me -1.7 .
I start playing few weeks after OHOL was released.
We were naked in the wild, Zoom didn't exist, but we have not starved if food was one screen away.
Nobody was teaching us because we ALL WERE NEW.
The game is not tough for new players at all.
It is tough for veterans.
Our hands was tied by Family Specialty than by tool slots and now we are punished by suiciding kids (even if they was born years after we died).
Talk to your kids, find the skill level of each kid, provide them what they need and teach them how to survive.
If I reach 1st position I will upload a guide.
I was male.
I am not native english speaker - while playing I can write only few simple words.
I just lived in bell town. No problem with water, full berry bushes, big carrot farm, big wheat farm.
I made 32 various pies, hunted 6 turkeys, made 5 buckets of full milk.
I also collected many abandoned bp and clothes from around the town and made 6 hat.
Everybody had bp, clothes, and town was full of various food and still I lost many score points because lots of kids manages to starve between 5 and 15 years old.
What else could I do to prevent it?
Map is correct. Two Boots towns connected by long N - S road. Volek (gingers) camp west from N Boots town.
Punkypal, please build the road, and I will try to make food stations along it.
(Today I found fresh ginger camp west from north's Boots town.)
Sorry for mistakes I'm not native English speaker.
We would have fruit and trees for wood.
2 in 1!
Squash -> every gives you 3 seeds every time
1 seed - 1 squash -1 stew -> 3 seed - 3 squash -3 stew ->9 seed - 9 squash - 9 stew-> 27 seeds... -> 81 seeds... ->243... ->...................