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Congratulations! Killing innocent people is griefing!

But we're not talking about innocent people, we're talking about people who passively undermine the work of every other player that has ever lived in a given community.

I think it is obvious that you are intentionally misunderstanding the situation. Killing because you enjoy killing other characters is called griefing. Killing someone FOR griefing is called justice. It's not an argument about whether or not the act of killing, on its own, is good or bad. It's an argument about not if but when it is justifiable to kill someone in game.

You say that killing is unacceptable under any circumstance and that people should be allowed to do whatever they want, even to the detriment of other players, for the sake of their own 'fun'.  What many of us are saying is that when someone comes along and decides to ruin the things that we were doing in-game just because they like to "have fun" or "mess around" with people, we don't like it. We try to tell you we don't like it, and for you to say "but you're not listening to the truth that it's MY fun, so I deserve to be able to do it without consequences" is ridiculous.

By the way truth is not subjective, there is no such thing as your truth or my truth there is only the truth. Truth exists whether we agree with it or not, but the truth is the same for everyone because the truth doesn't care what we want. Reality can be subjective-- your reality may be different from my reality. But truth is just there. Just like how "alternative facts" are not actually factual and are, in fact, lies.

To be perfectly clear I do not condone killing innocent players, but when a baby starts trying to pick up a bow and arrow right out of the gate I do get suspicious because 9/10 times that baby turns into a griefer. I agree that some people are a bit trigger happy and I have been murdered because someone thought I was a griefer (case of mistaken identity), but other players defended me in that situation.

If no one defends you, perhaps you were being a dick.

Still waiting on that analysis.

Edit: spelling goof.

Would you rather Pharo draw you a picture? If you feel like you're being (almost) manipulated by what Pharo is saying that means that Pharo made a good argument and a part of you knows it. I see Pharo's stance and I agree with them 100%, and I know many players who do.

All talk about the game aside, telling someone they have a serious mental illness to try to negate their argument is not only incredibly irresponsible, childish, and reinforces the taboo around mental illnesses, it demonizes those who actually live with psychopathic disorders as well. I highly doubt you're a psychologist, so you don't get to go around throwing diagnoses all willy-nilly.

Wrong again!

This is an online multiplayer game where you play with strangers and Jason has made it very clear that he isn't going to hold our hands when it comes to dispute resolution (fights or arguments). If you do something or are doing something that someone else doesn't like, and they try to talk it through with you, they have every right to stab your character if you don't TRY to work it out. If someone comes up to you and says "Hey can you water the berries?" when all you've done is eaten food and nothing else, and you ignore them or something, then yeah you're being a jerk and we can get you out of our city if we want. It's how the game works.

No one has ever said roleplaying is griefing. I love to roleplay in this game, it's part of the fun! What you need to remember is that this is just a game and the way people act in game does not have any bearing on who they are as people. I have a game called Mount and Blade: Warband, and through my character I have happily ridden a horse through hordes of enemies with an ax, lobbing their heads off. Does that make me a serial killer? No. Do I condone violence in real life against real people? Absolutely NOT. And sure, people can justify their griefer actions by saying something like "the real world is full of griefers" and yeah, they're right, but it also has laws and penalties for being a "griefer" too. We don't have jails in this game, only weapons, so if you grief, then you get stabbed.

The point is that you KNOW these things are frustrating and the majority of people don't like it when you do them so you CANNOT be surprised when someone comes up to your character with a knife and stabs you. You do the crime, you do the time. I don't know why this is such an abstract concept.

If everyone just sat around and ate food, there would be no food left. Right? Producing enough food to feed everyone takes a lot of effort, and often one person does pies or berries or stew. Why should that person spend their whole "life" toiling on making food for someone whose only purpose is to sit around eating it? If I were the stew person and I saw someone just hanging around the stew all their life eating it and doing nothing, I'd stab them.

The fun part about this game IS working. It's about building farms, farming and making food, and creating an infrastructure. Someone who plunks themselves down at a berry bush and just eats until they die is not an innocent person in this, they are griefing.

Since you seem to be confused by well-thought out arguments written in plain English (you call 'fancy poetry'), I'm going to break it down for you in a nice easy-to-read list. Please take as much time as you need to read it over, and let me know if you have any questions!

You might be a griefer if you:
- hide the tools and weapons
- sit around eating food and nothing else
- intentionally drain resources for the sake of draining resources (see also, eating all the food)
- lock all the things
- run around like a maniac as a baby (I let those babies die)
- kill all the sheep
- shear all the sheep and don't feed them ever
- kill all the women
- kill the babies by throwing them at snakes or something

I'm sure I'm missing some.

So to re-cap:

Being a fat lazy slob is griefing.
Pharo is right.
Stop trying to use mental illnesses as weapons for poorly made arguments.

add dead lambs to wet compost in order to make it composting compost? at least it would give us something to do with all the dead lambs.