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> Labeling Tarr a player that doesn't explore game mechanics or practice different roles.

I disagree, Ana.

Almost a year ago, Jason had a post about a video where a guy talks about technologies of older civilizations being lost to time.

It was primarily about the issue of meta-game knowledge on how people instantly rushed his Tech Tree and made him regret saying he could make content faster than people could make progress through it. These were my thoughts then:

My opinion on it has shifted only slightly; I think it should just be a single lineage again, rather than all lineages that are able to come into contact with said thing. That way, each family is going to eventually have the potential to make their own specialized tech for themselves.

Also, since families systematically die within about 7 days due to server restarts, I think the technologies may need to have semi-permanence for some time after the lineage that made it has vanished. Probably a death timer from inactivity, or perhaps just a new 'layer' of decay that follows an object no matter how much it transitions.

Ultimately, it's still a game mechanic that's based on the people crafting it, and not the town itself being upgraded based on a mechanic that will quickly be meta-gamed for the "best possible upgrade".

Ehhh, Dodge is pretty close to the correct answer. Trading is an important aspect of civilizations in general - when there's a plurality of cultures, locations, hegemonies, you end up having to figure out how the two (or more) can interact beyond simple warswords. Thus, trading.

Jason can't always predict what's good and what isn't. No dev can. They can take a stab at what they think will be a good feature, but then find out later on down the line that, in fact, no it wasn't.

Remember when Newcomen water pumps didn't have uses, and were a 5% chance to instantly deplete after 1st use?

Jason, in the case of trading, is using what I argue as the wrong framing. He's trying to see individuals trading between one another - micro-scale trading - which I thoroughly debunked here, if you want to see my justification for why he needs to care more about macro-trading. Almost a year later and it's still pretty accurate of the current situation.

Towns survive through generations; the city itself should not be attributed to maintaining any kind of 'power' because the 'power' itself needs to be rendered to the inhabitants of that location and remain in their control.

When Jason agreed to add the Hierarchies feature to the game, I think that this was the right step towards being able to give that kind of multi-generational control to the players as the first step in a line of 'building blocks' to creating the societal structure the game needs in the mid- to late-game meta.

I still believe in principle that Biome Restrictions needs to go, but only because of the way it was implemented (removing rather than improving). I'm not going to lump the mechanic together with Hierarchies, though, and I would argue the same for this thread too, because they do not directly impact one another.

> Be a griefer

> Go out into the wild

> Have a baby

> Never pick them up

> Repeat in every life as a female

I made a proposal generally in line with your thoughts regarding land-claimage and Exile/Outsider restrictions.

http://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=9095

It's been proven with the two hierarchy updates that the system CAN work if the right people end up in charge, but because the system lacks gameplay mechanis that chance is lower than it would ideally be.

As far as tracking what actions individual players have done (and not the collective), I think Jason would have to add that. But I think the other systems would be much more valuable to the player-controlled judgements rather than raw stats.

Thanks!

Yeah, the idea for Job Titles being once per life was to represent how people get skilled in some line of work, and carry that thru the rest of their life. If those free tools were only temporary, I could see someone changing Job Title in the middle of their life, but being able to constantly switch would defeat the purpose of tool slots.

I think Hierarchies could get more communication methods too, but right now competent (emphasis on them being competent) Leaders can already relay info pretty well. I also assume that the new Tool "+" identifier helps show who's got what.

Technically, the Job Titles would also be a communication tool.

Planes/Cars in theory:
- Full list of features where planes reduce transit times, efficient oil consumption, potential long-distance trading between well-developed villages once trading can be a thi-

Planes/Cars in practice:

The logical leaps in this are quite amusing. First you say that it'll identify "heroes"?

Lol what.

If griefers do generic curse-targeting to each of their victims or whoever stops them, they'll end up having a massive list of people that they see as black. That's not how you "identify heroes", that's just mass-distributed cursing. The only thing cursing their "hero" baby will do is simply refresh the month-long timer again on said individual.

It is an objective truth that "Heroes" have no tools at their disposal to be pre-warned of griefers that are being born in their village/town, and being able to prep for dealing with them. Meanwhile the griefer operates incognito until their time to strike is ready. Nothing has stopped griefers from watching who 'productive' people are in a town, and knowing who their initial targets will be. This feature benefits both parties but is HEAVILY skewed towards helping the anti-griefing camp. This is the first tool that gives "heroes" any ability of gaining an idea who may be a "bad apple". The ambiguity of the Hero vs. Villian prospect between lives is also going to be a social challenge for towns to now overcome.

Neither of you can prove who is the "Hero" and who is the "Villain" if it turns into a rivalry to the death. The "hero" can stalk and keep tabs on the "villain" or griefer, and wait for them to do something grief-adjacent before recruiting others to their side and dispatching them. This also means that across lives, these "heroes" - that you think are going to be the victims - will be able to build up a laundry-list monthly; who on their blacklist is a shitter, who have they tried to reconcile with but failed, who they have successfully made amends with.

Jason definitely needed to keep the Curse names unique per viewing person; that would've gotten very powerful if it was the same name for every other person to see after cursing. I'm very interested to see what social aspects of OHOL culture are forced to adapt to this new system of being able to deal with griefers. After all, it's not just going to be those two camps going after each other alone; I'm sure we'll see other aspects/cliques using it too.

But how will the cart know which way it needs to start moving? The transition system doesn't support directional input from the player. It's also a situation that's begging for griefers to simply place down a new cart or stop one of the moving ones, and then there goes the whole chain.

Admittedly, the current setup is also begging for one rail to be torn up by an Adze, and then there goes the whole line, again.

Thank you for messaging me about it, I'm sorry I didn't get back to you in time to check over what'd happened!

It looks like you saw what I ran into though, and yeah, it's a PITA to keep track of. I had to spend a good hour or two on that excel sheet figuring out EXACTLY what each step would look like, since I had no idea at first how the railroad transitions actually processed!

But yeah, once you got one down, the rest are pretty EZPZ to implement. I'm hype for seeing those curvy tracks soon!