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#26 Re: Main Forum » Creating glass is extremely expensive » 2020-07-17 18:08:52

what is glass bottles good for Except wine?

One glass can hold 4 liquid or powder items but why not just cluter 4 bowls for those items you need to store?
we dont need to store more than 4 vinegar, palm oil , sugar, and for sure we dont need a lot of chemicals like nitrate.

We do need to store in mass anything that is efficient to be produced in mass but inefficient or impossible to be consumed in mass.  The only such a thing is Salt. (1 bucket = 10 salt)
But then even if we wanted to store that 10 salt we would need 3 bottles. bottles are just not good as storage item.

#28 Re: News » Update: Paved Roads » 2020-07-14 16:51:28

The road making is just fine, you need a team to do it and this is the nice part about it.
I was there, It is nice that you need to care for it along the way.

One guy should scout ahead, the other one is making the directions and the third one opens the way through. (you will need a lot of food as well.)

we messed up 2 times and we had to start the paver again twice but we managed to complete the road in 5-6 hours, connecting three cities( gingers, browns, blacks)

#29 Re: Main Forum » Some math - When is the break evean for a plow? » 2020-07-14 13:55:30

xaxa, No I also asked in discord for a faster reply and Slinky responded immediately.

#30 Re: Main Forum » Some math - When is the break evean for a plow? » 2020-07-14 13:39:59

FOUND IT! you need to plow 392 tiles per kero use meaning that you need to plow 16.33 tiles each plow use to break even! big_smile

#31 Re: Main Forum » Some math - When is the break evean for a plow? » 2020-07-14 13:21:37

miskas wrote:

doest the 24 uses on plows mean that the can tile up to 24 tiles of soil per kero?

It doesn't, It plows until it hits something it can't plow. It can go forever.
Nice soooo,  Oh boy more calculations....

#32 Re: Main Forum » Some math - When is the break evean for a plow? » 2020-07-14 13:17:05

doest the 24 uses on plows mean that the can tile up to 24 tiles of soil per kero?

#33 Re: Main Forum » Some math - When is the break evean for a plow? » 2020-07-14 13:08:42

oh yes, 1 kero cost 1.66 water (=10/6) to be produced but also 1 kero can produce 40 water.
So if you consider the cost of opportunity you use 41.6 water to run the plow.

hmmm. am I doing something wrong?

that means we spent 41.6 water to plow 24 tiles that save us 2.4 water and 0.24 iron

1 kero also produces 5 Iron if put in diesel mine.
through opportunity use of kero, we exchange 40 water for 5 iron.
0.24 iron is 1.92 water.

In the end, we use 41.6 water to save 4.32 water ?!?!?!?
...ARE plows a Hugely inefficient way to tile soil?

#34 Re: Main Forum » Some math - When is the break evean for a plow? » 2020-07-14 12:36:43

Arcurus wrote:

21 - 6/7 -0.2 = 19,94 soil per compost, lets round it to 20. for 2,06 water, that roundabout 9,7 soil per water.

it 21-6/7-0.2+0.2*1/7= 19,91 (to craft carrots you need seeds, seeds have a cost)

per tile, you save 0.10 water and 0.01 iron ( if you use no wheat/dang compost cost and you would tile 1 time 1 soil to make a fertile row otherwise) 

that's then 10 tiles you need to plow to break even with water.

#35 Re: Main Forum » Some math - When is the break evean for a plow? » 2020-07-14 12:18:01

And in reality, this complex calculation is not completely right. in the "2.09" water cost of compost, you need a "Limit function" to calculate the cost of ALL the partitions of soils that were needed to make the soil that made the soil that you used to farm the berry and carrot. I didn't want to do math, 2.09 is close enough tongue

#36 Re: Main Forum » Some math - When is the break evean for a plow? » 2020-07-14 11:39:51

from what I remember I considered dung Free as it was literally clustering the place the time I did those calculations.
So all three composts have no Dung cost.

Another reason I consider Dung free is that you feed sheep for wool and food so many times that you never need to feed a sheep to craft dung, It is already lying over there for you.

about the water cost. JUST found a mistake ( it adds 0.03 to the compost water cost) after about a year or so of using this.
No its not "1+1 for berry + 0.2 for carrot"
it is 1+ 6/7 * 1 for berry + 1/5 * 1.1 for carrot + 1.1(soil) * 2.09/21 (water for 1 "no wheat" soil) for soil use to farm berry and the carrot.  =  2.19  ( I am editing previous post)

Yeah I know its complex but to make Soil you need Soil. 
You need soil to farm the berries and the carrot you will use to craft it.

#37 Re: Main Forum » Some math - When is the break evean for a plow? » 2020-07-14 10:05:23

..............  iron  water
Compost    0.03    3.45
Compost (no wheat)    0.02    2.19
Compost (wild cabbage seeds)    0.04    3.31
soil    0.002    0.16

compost has 21 soil

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ … &range=A54

#38 Re: Main Forum » Problem: People don't harvest crops » 2020-07-14 09:59:49

the problem is not the people don't harvest, the problem is that none is moving things around for later use cause Logistics are bad.

Try to make storage and move things there with a cart. It is a lot of pain.

#39 Re: Main Forum » Builders challenge! : farming assembly line » 2020-07-05 07:20:48

I bump this as with the current plow and sprincles tech would be the perfect design.

food-assembly-line.png

#40 Re: Main Forum » Corn vs Wheat - BattleRoyal » 2020-06-25 16:42:42

Well, I meant Visual basic for applications (it's for excel) I don't know if excel is compatible with any other language.
I am a noob at coding btw so I will start with the simple stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G05TrN7nt6k

#42 Re: Main Forum » Corn vs Wheat - BattleRoyal » 2020-06-25 11:22:55

OneOfMany wrote:
miskas wrote:

lets see their Yum Rank.

I LOVE your maths. smile It will take me a bit to digest that info.

I try to keep my mind open to opinions. I kinda like the idea of corn being a bit more efficient while wheat being a bit easier. At the end of the day a Yum is a Yum.

I want to work as a data analyst, stats/optimization/analysis are my hobbies. I started to capture Ohol's data to answer a single question.

What is the most efficient way to consume our resources?
To answer this question you need to break it in 3 parts.
-Insulation (what clothes do we produce?)
-food diet ( what and how much food we produce?)
-city design (how much space do we need to produce it?)

I want to study Visual basic and I don't have time for my Ohol project.
So I could use some help if you like to do calculation in excel.
My discord is Miskas#5101 Feel free to message me.

#43 Re: Main Forum » Corn vs Wheat - BattleRoyal » 2020-06-24 22:51:37

lets see their Yum Rank.

corn    Whole Milk (1)
corn    Skim Milk (2)
corn    Popcorn (3)
corn    Chips (5)
corn    Carnitas (9)
corn    Cooked Goose (10)
Wheat:    Carrot Pie (14)
Wheat:    Rabbit Pie (19)
corn    Stew (20)
Wheat:    Mutton Pie (21)
Wheat:    Bread (22)
both    Buttered Bread (23)
corn    Chips & Salsa (25)
corn    Fresh Corn (26)
corn    Omelettes (27)
corn    Pork Tacos (29)
Wheat:    Rabbit Carrot Pie (30)
Wheat:    Berry Pie (34)
Wheat:    Carrot Berry Pie (38)
corn    Bean Tacos (39)
Wheat:    Rabbit Berry Pie (40)
Wheat:    Rabbit Berry Carrot Pie (43)
Wheat:    Tortilla (Bean Burrito) (44)

Clearly Corn wins in Yum foods.

#44 Main Forum » Raw food values, Destiny this is for you. » 2020-06-24 22:32:53

miskas
Replies: 4
3:	Gooseberry
5:	Wild Carrot
10:	Cooked Rabbit
3:	Bowl of Gooseberries
8:	Cooked Berry Pie
7:	Cooked Carrot Pie
9:	Cooked Rabbit Pie
10:	Cooked Berry Carrot Pie
16:	Cooked Berry Rabbit Pie
14:	Cooked Rabbit Carrot Pie
20:	Cooked Berry Carrot Rabbit Pie
5:	Carrot
15:	Cooked Goose
8:	Cooked Mutton
8:	Cactus Fruit
10:	Cooked Mutton Pie
7:	Burdock Root
4:	Wild Onion
1:	Psilocybe Mushroom
6:	Shucked Ear of Corn
1:	Popcorn
12:	Baked Potato
2:	Bowl of Green Beans
6:	Bowl of Sauerkraut
12:	Bowl of Stew
12:	Omelette
12:	Bowl of Cooked Beans
15:	Bean Burrito
12:	Bean Taco
10:	Bowl of Carnitas
20:	Pork Taco
5:	Bowl of Whole Milk
12:	Buttered Bread on Clay Plate
6:	Slice of Bread
3:	Bowl of Skim Milk
7:	Mango Slices
18:	Cooked Fish
7:	Banana
17:	Turkey Slice on Plate
17:	Turkey Drumstick
10:	Bowl of Turkey Broth
8:	Spoon of Ice Cream
9:	Cooked Shrimp
5:	Tomato
1:	Hot Pepper
5:	Onion
4:	Tortilla Chip
9:	Chip with Salsa
5:	French Fry
11:	French Fry with Ketchup
1:	Bunch of Cabernet Grapes
1:	Glass of Wine
9:	Sliced Pumpkin Pie
60:	Feast Plate
5:	Whole Milk Bottle
3:	Skim Milk Bottle
10:	Turkey Broth Bottle
5:	Whole Milk Pouch
3:	Skim Milk Pouch
10:	Turkey Broth Pouch
5:	Pickling Cucumber
4:	Wild Garlic
5:	Snipped Pickling Cucumber
8:	Pickle

#45 Re: Main Forum » Question about biome placement » 2020-06-22 18:42:49

reconsider Arcurus, cause Iron mines

#46 Re: Main Forum » Food Discussion » 2020-06-21 20:32:09

I am happy people find my table useful, I will add Pickles as well, cucumbers are already there.

Destiny look at the Food worksheet tab at cell C1 (Bonus). in that cell, I input the generation degradation. I have set it to -4 cause I was thinking that it's is the max. Seeing Jason's quote state that the max is -5 caught me by surprise. I actually also look at the discord updates but I only found this reference. https://github.com/jasonrohrer/OneLife/ … 1f5d838e9b

I will make a duplicate file here for you to edit the bonus cell and the yum diet at your will.

#47 Re: News » Update: The Pickle » 2020-06-20 17:09:37

Next update: Buffalo Burger with Pickles and caramelised onions.

#48 Re: Main Forum » Appears global fitness going down... » 2020-06-08 16:56:23

whats the bug with Eve spawns? has anyone report on it?

#49 Re: Main Forum » Straw Poll Time! » 2020-06-07 07:08:25

LOL, none likes the Blacks, Black lives matter people tongue
They get horses and free unlimited food. (blacks taking welfare even in games)
I am surprised that none likes them, they are a good race (game-wise)

#50 Re: Main Forum » Pig pen idea - free piglets » 2020-06-04 04:49:32

if you do it far enouph then it wont used by people. 
I would make it above Corn farm next to a butcher space/Taco factory.

PS: There is no reason to keep Pigs alive, transfer them near the taco factory, and kill them right away. leave the corpses there so they function as meat storage. remove bones when empty.

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