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Haha I enjoyed watching you having a sook.

Never claimed to be a math pro, nor did I say 20 cooked mutton are the equivalent of 5 pies. Learn to read, ya sook.

Cooking 20 mutton isn't the end of the world

Edit: Just read you weren't even going off I said were instead talking about number of sheep instead of 20 mutton haha. I guess you also need to learn to math, ya sook

Yep. There's a reasonable chance that if you're in a terrible spot, your kids are running to get away from your terrible location.

The truth bombs are being dropped.

If you're a good player and don't tolerate sponges, then you can easily just hang out and RP for 20 minutes.

Easily. 7 carrot pies will get you to 60.

Fake news.

Seriously? If you can't deal with cursing you shouldn't leave your house, let alone use the internet OR GOD FORBID PLAY OHOL!

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There you are my dude. Most people don't hang in VC, but everyone's welcome.

Absolutely. I've made crock pots as Eve for the stew zealots in the past, given at the end of the day, this IS just a game and we're playing it to have fun. If my kids don't feel comfortable doing anything more progressive, then I'm very happy for them when they make a berry farm (provided in good location, preferable adjacent to at least 3 ponds). Just had an amazing life with randoms and got to sheep (caged, not free range) by the end of gen 2.

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Not necessarily a con though. There's nothing more satisfying than plunging a knife or arrow into the heart of a filthy griefer!

Hypothetically, let's say you have an Eve with 3 children. 1-2 players should be always present at the kiln doing pottery and processing iron. 1 player should be collecting iron and clay. 1 player should be collecting food for the smiths. This food should be primarily cactus fruit and wild berries collected in bowls. If all 4 players are productive (top 10% of players), and Eve didn't take too long to find civ location, you will have the axe and hoe around the same time as Eve hits menopause. After this, grandchildren will begin rising and farming efforts will ramp up.

I have done this many times when I'm fortunate enough to be playing with good players on both Discord runs and with randoms.

Both stew and berries require significant investment (for a pre-steel civ). If you can get away with it, foraged food, perhaps in conjunction with omelette is ideal.

Fortunately, we don't need to speculate as we can just look at the hard numbers. It's completely irrelevant whether it takes 3 meals to satisfy you or just 1. The heart of the matter is what foods give the biggest bang for your buck (resources (incl. time) put in versus resources got out).

Why would you try to argue in favour of a complex and expensive meal like stew for early game use, when we have omelettes which are free and plentiful enough to feed the entire early game population. I'm not saying that berries are in all situations superior to stew, but I'm definitely saying stew has NO place in the early game. Simply an indisputable fact.

Corn can be useful if used properly in the early game and is definitely superior to all other crops except berries (used in popcorn or fresh if maximising yum), but I'd personally avoid it since it's often misused and attracts attention away from actually progressing the town (smithing and preparing for sheep).

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A stew provides 196 calories. (forgive inaccuracies, I'm not sure of exact values and probably have omitted something)

It costs about ~2.25 dirt, ~3.25 water, ~2.25 hoe uses, min. 2 bowls, a crock pot, 1 kindling (valuable early game).
Also takes quite a bit of time. You need to find the seeds, wait for them to grow, prepare the ingredients then cook.

This means you're getting about 87 calories per dirt or 60 calories per water.

If we only compare the caloric value based on dirt and water, then this sounds excellent given berries only provide 35 calories.

Given the average stone hoe lasts 20 uses, we can get 9 stews producing 1764 calories (enough calories for about 5 people), or we can plant 10 berry bushes (takes 12 mins from planting to first harvest, or 8 mins in between harvest) we can produce more than 2100 calories (enough calories for about 6 or 7), BUT the KICKER is that these bushes will produce for the rest of the civs life, whereas that stew will be consumed and require more hoeing. This isn't even considering the much larger time investment that goes into stew, which means less time supporting the smith. Anything that isn't in direct support of the smith is a lower priority.

Because of the high value of rope (worth 4 soil and 8 hoe uses) anyone worth their salt will agree it's best to minimise their usage for stone hoes. This means after accounting for the rope cost, a stone hoe really only gets you about 6 farming plots. Soil isn't worth much early on (as stated, 30 soil per pit).

tl;dr In a wild food poor Eve settlement the optimal strategy is to make a single stone hoe, make approximately 10 berry bushes, make omelettes, and rush steel tools ASAP