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I meant the game engine

I dunno, it's too complex to do engines in  a single life and the 'help' is not good. often you gotta rebuild the whole smithy to be able to make an engine. the parts are tiny and the process is frustrating. it could be just higher tier items that need the same thing put together over and over and meaningfully increase the resources it takes. like tie those systems together. like more iron would be needed to produce more water, more  clay to produce more iron, more water to produce more clay. and there could be electricity or some form of early power generation like windmills and shiz. then upgrading each system and managing the storage. the farms could also be upgraded and use a per hour input output and storage system instead of manually moving it so much. pipes and baths could be fun.

it just feels like some techs are super advanced and you still cook your stuff with kindling fire. you still struggle with your machines working for 30 sec while babies cover the screen.

This is because there are no cities, just connected garbage on the floor. The game doesn't know what a city is and can't manage it as a whole. There could be fun features with cultural or religious systems and decision making. Humankind did it, Crusader Kings did it, there are strategic elements that would work well with a 2d game. This sharing everything mentality only works if everyone does something, but the more people play the more they don't want to share or do anything meaningful. And why would they if everything runs out? It's like Jason trying to prove that communist nomads are the future of humanity There could be a combination of choices that create different cultures and cities, with different buffs and debuffs. The goal should be staying there and fixing the issues, different issues, not basic level food and water forever and ever.

I don't disagree with removing the well engine, but it should be way harder than that. Not just putting it in your apron Quite a few high tech items can be griefed with a sharp stone. There should be like a single use master wrench that takes resources and 10-15 minutes to make to force people spending some time removing the most valuable thing in the city. But oh well, Jason thought that somebody would fence himself up to distribute water to other people When the engine is gone, then the doors and tools and even the floors are taken. People cry more about destroying graves than destroying cities. I remember that we played for weeks to make a few cities nice, and connect them manually, and later we moved when it was boring and barelands around.

All I say that it would be a better gameplay and a better message to be loyal, to fix things, to learn from mistakes and to trive to a goal, even if you can't yet reach it. There is a game where you produce cement, but there is a side product of rocks, which is the main part of the game, just dumping it to the side until the late game. But then you discover a new tech and suddenly you can get rid of that, and even gain building materials quickly and efficiently. Same deal with water, first you mine it and build extensive pipelines but late game when the research is advanced, you can gain it from the atmosphere cheaper.

It would be so much better to upgrade the city at once, replace old things with newer and more convenient ones, also replace problems with new ones, you would have a midgame where you don't have to worry about food, but pollution would be an issue. Shift the damn focus. It could still be challenges based on tech and resource limitations, but a steady income of resources would make life possible with optimal choices. more combinations instead of more items. Like advancing to new eras for a ton of resources and having tasks all the time. And each focus would have some downside which would need to be managed later on.

Jason could just ignore everyone. Instead he goes into detail, telling personal things that get him compromised. I remember a few things, like when he said that anyone who criticizes him, can be roasted by him. Fair enough, you don't get to talk with most of the game devs, or they are distant. I liked some of the personal stuff that got into the game, made it original.

I also remember him saying that people who give negative feedback, criticism will be ignored and their ideas discarded. It was certainly true. When Tarr made his new forum alias, he actually got a pretty decent reply for his opinion, the comment itself was quite the usual, but since jason didn't recognize him, he answered properly. A lot of the players were quite negative and didn't like the new directions the game changed. And a lot of us didn't even go too far with the personal comments, like there was solid feedback and reasoning. But jason had this meth comments and superiority complex mixed with a 6 year olds stress reactions.

The game wasn't bad, there was an initial vison, back when we started, there were no help tools and we had to learn it by ourselves, now most of the stuff is already done and documented, so maybe 2-300 hours tops before you burn out. It's normal that it deviates from the original path. But that maybe should be based on the players preferences.

He spent a lot of work, creative designs and programming, so we can be thankful for that. It's just feels like it had more potential. Like even the players couldn't really agree on whats the game about. Some people just lived as potting plants and talking, others got themselves goals and ignore most interactions. And since there is no clear goal and a way to play it, it's just turns into a clown fiesta. It's way too easy to ruin things, harder to make them and kind of pointless when you can't continue developing. The whole premise is a depressing one, 'everything runs out'. I think games should be fun and not depressing. A getaway from the real life. Things should be able to be improved and fixed and people should grind toward achieving bigger goals.

Some of the updates were decent, but it didn't add too much replay ability. People did it once then never again. Some of the bugs were fun, abusing weird mechanics. it's still funny when people run around and starve randomly, the tragic comedy of the situation where the last girl of the family promises the stars and starves before you die of old age. But there were always issues and no fixes for them, and some of the griefer problems were turning worse and instead of fixing them they got even more tools and options to annoy others.

But then the community tried to get involved and give ideas, some of them were implemented, and some of them rejected over and over (no baby slings pls, maybe catapults). I had a few implemented, mainly how the wells should work, like people were building several tier 1 wells and never upgrading. Told him to make it worth upgrading, also would need items that lock and unlock features and possibilities (bucket) and lead people in the new age. That part of the game was decently advanced. I still think the water system is way better than the other things. Well, it was at least, until we got fixed springs regardless of the map and biome locks to artificially increase difficulty and lock it behind weird mechanics. I remember games where I spent way too much time trying to explain them how to help me and even if I had translators, the only ginger girl dropped his burning shaft in the ice biome and left, not knowing that she was the only one that could do the oil task. I mean it's just unintuitive, weird and pointless. If you can do it, you do it, if you don't know you don't know.
Limitations and restrictions can be fun, but only if there are ways you can get rid of them, overcome them, solve the puzzles. it's not fun when you are forbidden from tools or actions since the start. tool system was also horrible. you needed a task once and you had to commit a slot doing it. especially that some tasks were really pointless after that. drilling two holes and then nothing to do with it.
But the worst was the biome locks and race mechanics. It could of been okay to give them different paths by culture, but splitting the content was so bad. if it would of been parallel ways of doing the same thing, maybe some alterations then it could of been fun. Like getting water from melting snow or from plants. But it's so bad to stand 1 tile from a biome an a magical power stops you from interacting with it. Created bizarre situations where cow piss became required by a tech so it was a high level difficulty item so getting a leaf was higher up on difficulty list than all the rest of the game.

Also there were misinterpreted or weirdly made mechanics. Fences could of been okay if it costs something to do them, like owning a piece of land and the things that you make. But it's so easy to steal others work and no defence against it. People following you, and harassing you and stealing anything you make and getting butthurt for not letting them do that. The whole sharing things was quite weird, this communistic ideology brought out the worst of some. Like not doing anything because you can enjoy the fruits of labor regardless. I mean a fully capitalistic community would be just as worse, but it's still a game, people need to know if they are doing okay, if they can score points or reach goals or get achievements. One of my other idea got so weirdly implemented, it perverted so far from the original intention, it hurts. The Yum system was supposed to get rid of monoculture. My original idea was to have bonuses for having multiple foods in cities. I guess it was only obvious to me that it should be limited and sustainable variety. The accent on the variety not the unique. People started to do the longest unique chains possible. Variety should mean that you can cover 5 groups of foods or 5 types at all times for all citizens, be that 5 berries and 5 carrots, and 5 of everything or combined 2 corn and 3 burdock. Instead people were spending half their lives to eat primitive food in advanced societies for themselves only, once, to build up a boost they never gonna use. So from eating to live, we got to a point where people were lived to eat. Quite a bit of jump from eating berries all your life to run around half the map to build up a pointless chain, that helps no one but you.

reminds me of the Purge episode of Rick and Morty. that no one has food, but they would only do jobs if they got food, but then no one does their other jobs, others would do their jobs but for food, so no one can agree if those jobs are good enough to get food for it.

I think the engine restrictions are quite bad too. The visibility and communication is artificially made harder when nobody likes those changes. it's certainly convenient that it's part of the 'vision' that you got no vision same for things like hp bar, stamina bar, and defining the city and giving it bonuses or defining a plot of land and giving a cost, restricting tool usage by the maker of the tool so others have to ask for it. These are the 'magical' things that the game needs, not that you argue half an hour who should be the queen, then to roleplay the rest and murder people left and right for a dumb crown. There is a reason why communism failed IRL, and I don't say it should be all capitalistic, it could be just options to set government types and rulesets within cities. The strategical part of the game could be extended, and made quicker to build an actual civilization, something with a future, with goals and the progress made visible, like eras and upgrades, instead of making the same thing over and over then going to a new place and looting all that stuff people made, instead of making your own. Small things like removing engines so easily made things so bad. It started off like a sandbox, where people are free, then it turned into a rat cage where the things are made to collapse and all you can do is watch the carnage.

I installed it on an emulator and had a few macros to do certain actions faster. the swiping there is really weird, never got used to it, never wanted to get used to it. would be hard to hold a phone for an hour and get shit done.

Sadly my laptop got broken and the settings lost, had to guess and test and manually set up coordinates that work for most items, like picking up a needle or a branch with a key, or doing work to the left or right, was quite a few keyboard shortcuts. Didn't had the mood to do it again.

It was actually nice with the old mechanics, and no racism and stupid maps, no biome lock, also you can go back to your base with a plant leaf found in jungles put on the home marker, you could even plant one of it each time but only water it when you use it, and hide it somewhat so people don't mess it up.

The community is less toxic, but there aren't too many players and it's way more laid back since it's hard to click a lot.

They are making their new game which is completely new graphics, new items, it's similar but you got some chance of fail when crafting so you have to repeat actions, but it gives better proficiency over time so you are more likely to succed next time, in things like hunting, matters a lot, on other things is just mildly helpful. it carries over lives. I tried the alpha but wasn't many players, but it looks quite good.

who dared to summon me?

I like it if it's unique, the gates are blocked from clicking so there is no way to open it manually. only it's not a final solution so it's not a good long term solution.
people like it easy and final.

anti griefing methods are just for you, and since you rarely get back is a lot of time for not much value
but maybe some smart people talking trough the modded chats can do something about it

but  normally you just hide the mouflon in a small biome and that does the job, or lock it up in a small non griefeable room

dunno what jason did but he changed something. it was an interesting concept that sheared sheep was stuck in biome and unsheared wasn't, I don't think it works anymore. I was building pens on biome borders because of it

I think the best pens aren't too big, but bigger than that. nothing wrong with multiple pens, it should be the norm. a smaller one further with all the berry, some berry for show, but mostly other foods on center of town. nobody plays for efficiency, so it's not happening. I like modular designs that allow extending over time, like 1-2 walls can be moved or removed and extended.

i suggested similar long ago
the issue is that there is no city defined, there are rules on birth and nearby females, and family rules, if they are in the same spot, but everything just makes it worse not staying together
plus if its the main part of the game, it has to be balanced

jason somewhy just likes reducing resources and hyping up how big the map is, actually there is no reason for the map to be so big when everything looks the same

i would prefer an unlocking mechanic, that you have zones for your family and you can extend it if you work for it
so the map could be more dense but slower harvesting early and technologies to speed it up, that would feel more like civilization building

and the randomness of having more space or more of one resources would make the game more replayable.

the fights could happen in another format too, like the city would be a dot on map and nearby dots declare war on you, and you got a separate layer of map with different rulesets, if you win, you could get that map part where they attacked from and extend the base

lmao= lick my a$$ one-chan

might not be what you expect but: find a few trees that are in a straight line, make adobe base pen, 1x3 enough, also you get the mouflon locked for later, trap a sheep, make a saddle, get a horse, run around and collect the branches 2 by 2. actually faster than going on foot, you can also plant trees and use branches later

fast, secure, scalable (just like crypto lol). choose two as Buterin would say lifes are too short, so speed is the key
you need a pro player to do a proper pen and it takes a full life, or 2 medium skill and you still need water and iron so managing workers is hard without planning
security falls when speed is key, and most people try to save time on it, there is griefing, and accidental damage. not much you can do about griefers, since everything is removable, only a few materials can be used. the safest is ancient stone and waystone corners. but since you rely on the compost and farms, water and iron, you cant have a safe pen, since you cant have a safe town. one safety measure is separating the mouflon and locking it up/hiding it or both, so you can get a lamb any time.
most people just trust in others sympathy and thats it, griefers will go for the simplest, fastest exploit, so if you make walls strong, they just kill all the sheep. thats why using some non conventional materials can work.
the accidental damage is also a problem, when two things interact, people make mistakes. if its a bush in corner, they eat the berry, if its a box in wall, they drag it away, if its a corner that keeps sheep in, they remove it to make a road.
safe choices can be also time consuming, like you can lock away a lamb but then you got to get a key, lock in, lock out, hide key every time.
scalability is the other aspect not many people consider: early game you are fine with a tiny pen of 2x2 even, or using trees as walls, or adobe base walls. function over form, later you can extend and make it fancy if you choose location correctly.
the best location is in a corner, since you got waste products, you need to take the bones out but not too far, usually people used an ice biome or desert, but now is race locked, you gotta think about others too when locking out items in biomes. still it has to be a corner, 2 sides facing the town and two facing empty space. you want easy access for feeding and for compost making.
Front entrances are scalable, corners are complicated to expand normally.

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the first is a corner entrance pen, since its not blocking any more, 2 entrances are fine, but it costs the same to have 4 and is more symmetric, only that you need more corner items then. front entrances can be extended easily sideways, while corner ones would block the exits if you build around it.
front entrances are a bit more expensive. the normal cost is lengthx2+heightx2+4corners, the most space for resources is when length=height, so square pens. the ratio of walls/usable tiles is better with bigger pens, as the sides need 1 wall, corners need 3, and center needs no wall. since you cant skip corners (only if you build next to a room) your only saving is making it bigger and have more center tiles.
the gates are easily griefeable and i would always add extra protection with corner tiles, also saves time to keep it open.
airlocks are the worst kind of entrances, it just never works, since the animals constantly scan for tiles can go to so they just run out.
open field flock never works cause they wander away too far when the village dies. not sure if you can still store naked sheep in small biomes, that was handy.

thats what Yah did better, two branches per cut out tree, so you can make a lot of shafts right away when cutting out any forest

a center would be a place where people spend most time, which is usually food, clothing and empty space, something fancy
but overall depends on the type of players what is a centre
noobs hang out in the berry field, a bit more evolved players hang out in the kitchen
the best center is flooring. if you can make flooring, people cant plant on it, and if it looks good, people wont ruin it. if you put stew there, and show how to eat it, it can be more effective than other foods.
so if you do a 6x6 flooring for example then surround by proper fences and  plant some trees. if people see flooring, they make rooms so you might as well do a room above then flooring.

i think is important to have an identity for each town, people enjoy a bit of unique flair, and remember when they go back
everyone wants to have fun so creativity is key, at least indirectly. in reality, a few players do everything and its upon them if it becomes a good town or not.

wheat farm can be near the bakery and the bakery can be near the pen, ideally rabbit side, but secondary pen and secondary ovens arent bad either. make them rabbit pies separately and mutton pies separately. its not that hard transporting wheat, its just getting the grain can be a problem as its easier to produce than consume it. so it has to be the edge of town also.

ideally people shouldnt eat carrot at all, can go anywhere, except in a sheep pen. only full rows are eaten by sheep tho.
since you got 7 seeds, 8 tiles is enough, but i prefer watering some later on so people dont have time to eat it.
you can prep the 8 tiles beforehand and just leave the seed unwatered.

you dont need a road inside a city, all i ever saw using roads are lazy rpers running around mindlessly. you could technically do pine roads just to connect things, or board signs too but just too much time for not much benefit. paper and waystones arent bad tho, to give instructions and directions.

a useful road is one that goes to an iron pit or to another city. with paver you can make a lot of roads, than it can go anywehere. but most people dont like roads inside the city, it just takes away so much space and people leave a mess around it. in any case, not right next to the walls, free space is the most advanced technology, a city can have you got to drop down things so empty space is good to have around roads. maybe paralell pine roads both sides of a road then it looks better and more functional.

nursery is kind of a useless thing, usually there arent that many babies and they prefer going around and watching what you do. but if you really want to make one, not inside the kitchen but next to it. a center can be for babies where they see more and like 6x6 pine floor to prevent planting. or 7x7 and use some stone and trees around. buildings with no function just take away space. fancy fences are also good if you dont want babies to run around. but i dont like forcing them to stay.
ideally you dont want berries next to it and you should really explain what they should eat, popcorn, even carrot pies are way more effective than berries.

forge should be away from the crowd as it needs expertise to make tools and time matters, so in any case, shouldnt be under the berry field or between bakery and something, when people run around and cover is annoying. and there is nothing people should do in a forge if they arent good at it, if they wanna test their skills build another one. Working is more effective if there isnt litter all around, just things that you need.

The original forge can be used for pottery, in the swamp ideally, lot of people consider the forge as a village center as its the first sign of civilized towns with any future to prevail. So making a second far away is a good idea. A lots of noobs build roads to it or randomly plant berries 3 tiles away from it. So might be a good idea to place pine floors around and extend it a lot. There are different styles of smithing, where to put forges, up down, spacing, etc. that i understand, but walls 1-2 tiles away are too annoying, open forges are usually better, if you want to put in a room, make it huge.

Sadly, there are too many bad players who can only munch berries. So you cannot avoid it completely, and cannot explain to eat something else. Sometimes you need that noobs to survive and have pro babies. And its convenient to eat berries, lots of people starve if they dont see any bush.

That being said, its still real bad for compost and water, so limiting it is effective if you want longer survival.
For example put excessive flooring around it, 3x3 then 3x3 floor then 3x3, or double wide pine roads.

i would say that a far away pen with a cistern and a small berry field is good if you can prevent people eating there, and have stew or pies ready. i guess a few bushes in each corner of the town would be better than a big central field, because people will explore and hard to go back and forth the middle. Thats why is good to have dedicated home markers with a sharp and a round stone to cut and remake.
Also some 3x3 stone flooring filled with food so people can eat there instead of ineffective walk or ineffective eating. But that needs better food distribution system and better signaling on foods. Ideally each work area has a closeby food reserve.

In general, huge berry fields do better, but die out quickly, while you would only need like 9 bushes to feed the sheep, often times you need 18-27 and people still be like 'no fod, i plent more bushes instead of fixing the ones we already got'. Ideally, you have to force people to eat something else. They still gonna find a way to be selfish aholes and act morally superior despite of it, but if you build a generic town, no pro player gonna stay and 30 noobs dont do as much as 2-3 good players.

If you can put all berries from bushes into bowls and the other person can put soil and water on each, you will see how hard is to run out of berries. OFc if people let it rot, and keep 1 on each, will be 8 minutes of no harvest. But more bushes wont mean more food, just more work and more water need. A constant income from a few bushes is better than a big harvest from many.

I'm quite sure it was 7 at some point, and the reason was that Jason had a pocket knife at 7 and his daughter did archery at 11, way to balance weapons

I guess 7.5 can be considered 8

if it can be cheaper, why not?

remember the time when people planted huge berry fields and hated cisterns?
it took some convincing to do proper flooring and parcelled farms, it's the same principle

the real issue with pork is that people take it to oven 1000x and you never have enough bowls to cook it

Just noticed that if you fill the pen and no open tiles, one would starve holding the bow with no backpack or storage or empty tile to put to, so using normal doors won't stop griefers but karma gets them after the fact that they kill the piggy

Do springy doors now open like gates? haven't played in a while

Actually, I tried to put 7 on my laptop and it didn't let me. It came with Chinese 10, but jokes on all of you, cause you to pay 50-70 bucks on windows and programs you don't use. It's fully legal to use my code in any other version and you can download original windows ISO-s right from Microsoft servers. Honestly, XP was way better and stable and shit, I remember a system problem where a virus ruined my files, and copying over the ssysem32 folder contents saved me from reinstalling. BTW my older desktop at home was running xp quite well but now is not supported by a lot of programs, I did not run v7 well but handles 10 pretty good.

Lately, my laptop had a few memory issues and I found out how much of a problem is overheating for performance. 8 gb was enough for 99% of the things I do, never had issues, there is an automatic cleanup of RAM at 880 from reaching maximum, but that process can fuck up things.
I was always doing some cleanup, on xp and 7 was easy to customize services. I tried a launcher from razer and actually got some bridge errors which is weird, but also it cleaned less ram that it used in the background. As for antivirus, I always hated memory-hogging ones like Norton, but Kaspersky was even worse, put my newly purchased pc on freeze, was kind of weird and scary on day 1.
So I use free ones that are using less resources and online database. I had a free subscription with AV scanner, it was good until it lasted, then th Clam AV part started freezing. SO back to Webroot giveaway version. Actually, if you know what you ar doing, a firewall and a bit of research is enough. So a minimal antivirus is so good for system resources.

Also, Microsoft crapware is annoying, I disabled Cortana just to notice months later that search has a service, possibly collecting data and won't stop even after I got no Cortana or indexing or search (void tools-everything is way better and faster). That was using 100 mb on default with no reason. Also some other program took 4 seconds extra to boot up. Nnott much but none of my other programs took that long, maybe discord. Had this Glary utilities feature to read comments about it. 'Russians turn it off' it's good enough for me why I should turn it off I know It sounds nitpicking but you do it once, there was like 10-12 useless services in w7 and quite a big impact on performance. On w10 you start again doubting if any of it is needed or useful.

oh that old topic iI member how much hate cisterns had, especially that the engine could not handle conversions
took a while to convince people it's worth it

I don't particularly like the 3x3 but it's better than nothing
also I didn't like how people started the plots with the well on middle, that 60-80 bowls are short term optimization, the well is a workspace after that and free space worth more

personally, I like 2x5 strips, it's not that good for floor per field ratio but it's better for picking berries in bowls. Wider is worse, working sideways is good. can be like 2x6x3 and then is better for soil ratio

I remember how the floor trick saved from endless expanded fields, and how I was digging out bushes, splitting the berry, like Moses the tomato soup. People started doing that like 9-10 months later.

Personally, I don't like a single farm setup, at least separate stew, you won't be there forever to pick up your stupid beans.
Also, there is some value in adapting to surroundings, had even more back when deserts and jungle had a better heat, but still, a bit of overheating is good when you run around in cold.