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Not all necros are automatically bad.

This is still an issue a year later and if you think it's a problem what better place to post about it than in the thread made by literally the only person who tried to fix it.

My changes are still available on github and I expect anyone could merge them with the current onelife+/onelife head without much difficulty.
Awbz himself was interested in merging the changes to his client but didn't go through with it as far as I remember.

Anyways, don't expect anything from me, I don't play this game anymore so I have no interest in working on this.

Been making the ultimate bet that Jason would kill his game with his updates ever since I stopped playing back in early May of 2019.

It was before the rift and even war swords I think so I came pretty close before the unexpected steam sale.

Still waiting on it.

I mean, if anything, that whole 15+ years of game designing experience meme should have given it away.

It was already apparent to me even the very first months that I bought this game.
When people opposed his suggestions regarding temperature overhaul: "you guys just want to play an easy game".
Or when people criticized his overly large area ban's initial implementation: "I suspect you guys just want to get back to working on your previous lives' projects and you just don't want to tell me".

I hope you see a pattern here. The quality of Jason's replies in terms of long-term positive impact on the community is inversely proportional to the number of people who disagree with his ideas.

Belittling people's opinions, assuming they hide their true intentions.
What a rotten and childish way to think.

It's almost as if he's actually insecure.
Rather than base his arguments off of actual logic and thoughts to justify his actions, he would rather dismiss people's opinions.
Goes on to show how much thought he really puts into his updates really..

I mean, I do know exactly what I signed up for.
And yet I'm complaining.

What could this mean?

I mean, we're literally talking in a thread that is advocating killing people over simple use of words.
But sure, I'm the one being defensive here.

This at least I could agree with.
The people calling you names as babies and/or spamming /yoohoo and /ill are more likely to become griefers.
Considering the current state of the game regarding cursing and griefers, I would not mind a preemptive strike.

The people in this thread are saying a totally different thing though.
The people in this thread are saying "You used a bad word which I disagree with, therefor I have the moral high ground and I will kill you for that, for you see, I am righteous, I am the victim here!".
"I will kill you in the name of tolerance while simultaneously not tolerating you and forcing my philosophy upon you. Because... because I'm right!!! Believe me I'm right!!! Only I decide which is tolerable and which isn't!!"

Yes, everyone who said "faggot" is literally homophobic and has an irrational hate for gay people for no reason at all.

I guess that makes you hateful though, since you used the word just now and claimed it is NEVER used in a benign context.

You're a genius.

"You are against me therefor you are evil"
So much for being tolerant. Typical.

Who's the greatest offender here?
The person simply uttering a word or the guy who literally murdered someone and ended their game session?

This reminds me of this thread.
"Hey guys, rape ingame is bad mkay? Watch me MURDER for it!"

You're normalizing murder by killing people in this game for petty reasons.
Murders are a real problem in this society and it is MUCH worse than homophobia!!
You are offending me by killing people over use of words!
I will kill you for that!

Do you see the problem with your mindset?
Where does the victim rhetoric end?
Anything you say to anyone could be offending.
Do you think we need to build "safe spaces" where literally nobody speaks because anybody could get offended at any moment?

No, because I suspect with your mindset you're likely getting offended by literally anything.

Can you even take a joke IRL?
If I call you a faggot are you going to call the police?
Do you think I'm homophobic because I called you a faggot?
Do you think I """"normalize"""" homophobia by calling you a faggot?

I mean, when the game author is SO STUBBORN that you basically have to genocide whole families after families JUST SO that he could simply ADMIT that the mechanic he implemented is broken, we're not left with much choice really.

Why not both? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm just here to watch the world burn at this point to be honest.

Your enjoyment of the game is not more important than the enjoyment of others either.
When you kill for "fun", you're ruining the enjoyment of the game of another player.
Hence your point can literally be used against you.
How hypocritical of an argument.

How ironical coming from the person trying to say that killing for no reason is "part of the game" when it's not and has been confirmed not to be by the dev himself.

You're literally trying to defend killing innocent people for fun.
You are, by definition, a douchebag.
I guess the true word here would be "selfish", though.
But you justify being selfish as being "part of the game" while simultaneously telling us that we should stop saying it isn't and complaining that we ruin your enjoyment of the game, ironically putting your enjoyment of the game above that of others.
Now that's being a douchebag if anything.

Your point of view is literally morally bankrupt because all of your arguments can actually be used against yourself.

It's only a game, stop crying about people disliking douchebag roleplayers who try to justify murdering innocent people and ruining their enjoyment of the game while simultaneously complaining that we are ruining their enjoyment.
Start another life, maybe leave it and do something good with your real life.

Oh, actually you did, looks like you took your own advice.
Good riddance.

Tell me, who is more toxic here?
The people disliking griefing roleplayers or the roleplayers who try to justify murdering innocent people while openly admitting that their position is morally bankrupt and that it's basically griefing themselves?

I do not inherently hate roleplayers.
Back when I was still playing the game, I did see the casual roleplayer from time to time.
Never did I straight out murder them.

But I do hate roleplayers who are also griefers and especially those who try to justify it afterwards.
My point being that griefers and roleplayers are two completely distinct groups of people and I absolutely understand that.
But the groups of course have overlap. That overlap is what I hate because I hate griefers.
Simple as that.

This is basic set theory by the way.
I can even show you a graph, maybe the fact that it is abstracted into basic mathematics will help you understand more:

Attacking roleplayers for no reason is indeed toxic.
Attacking griefers on the other hand is the opposite of toxic, it's a service to the community.
Griefers who are also roleplayers are still griefers.

The curse system's purpose is to deal with griefers.
Griefers can avoid the curse system by having a long name.
Therefor the curse system is flawed.

Basic logic 101 really...

If you really want maximum roleplay, make your own mod with your own server.

Make a forum post about it, get all of the roleplayers on those servers instead of the main one. This will solve all of your problems, no more pesky minmaxers and because it's a roleplay server, you have actual reason to straight out grief. You can even add guns! Hell, you could even add an infinity gauntlet and instantly kill half of the server with a single snap!

See, your own arguments can be turned against yourself.
Really goes to show how morally bankrupt you guys are.

The irony of course here is that even if you guys had your own server I'm not so sure you would all get along.
Keep snapping that infinity gauntlet made just for your fun and see what happens.

The point being: just at what point does the enjoyment of other people get in the way of your own enjoyment?
And that's what you don't understand.
You even admitted yourself that different people like different parts of the game.
Which, lo and behold, means we have to all get along.

That's basic human empathy really..

You're right, maybe people who play the game normally are no longer the majority, but that's definitely not because there were an abundance of roleplayers like you seem to believe, it's because those people specifically are being driven away from the game update after update.

And there's an explanation for this, too.
It lies in something you said yourself:

You see, I'd argue that any game serves roleplayers the best.
Why? Because to roleplay, it literally doesn't matter what you're "playing".
You can roleplay anywhere anytime for the simple reason that you get to make up the story completely.

If Jason had only roleplayers as his playerbase, then he wouldn't have to think about basic human behavior and give them something fun to do.
Because roleplayers don't have fun with the content provided by Jason, they get fun from what they do entirely by completely making shit up as they play.
As such, their expectations are significantly lowered.
Jason's job is significantly easier.
They don't even care about winning the game the way it's intended to be.

They're dying? Oh well it's part of their epic stories I guess.
Is repeatedly watering berries interesting as a game mechanic?
"Duh, I don't care, I'm a roleplayer, I'm just going to pretend stuff up instead."

The same can also be applied to griefers.
Take that into account, and you can easily see why the main server is getting more and more mindless and useless wars.

I legitimately believe Jason will quit before that can ever happen.
Seriously. Just think about it for a second.
With the way the game is moving and based on the previous updates, do you honestly think we'll ever build that atomic powered robot?
No chance.

Yes, it will be forgotten and left in the dust.
And quickly at that.

Actually, you made me reconsider.
Spoon's original point was that if you want to care about your score, then at no point will starting a war be preferable due to casualties (which would render war useless).

But since it's your family that matters, could it be possible that the war casualties pay off better than the deaths caused by an eventual resource crisis due to the stress caused by multiple families living together?

Do lineages survive long enough for such a thing to realistically happen?
Does the genetic scoring system even allow for it? Does it care about lineage depth at all?

And to be honest, even if so, even if that did create a legitimate non-roleplaying reason for war, I still don't really like it.
I mean, it's better off for people to start wars because they can have extra pips of foods while old? Why not just yum instead...

And besides, why yet another emphasis on war?.. Shouldn't trade be the better option? I mean look at the modern world..

10/10 that was unexpected