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Strilar wrote:As i suspected, you seem to have confirmed to me that you are the user "Shady" with a new account, i already wrote many long posts about this subject, and every time i did so, the response and behavior was the same, so i'm done answering and feeding the troll.
You have given your opinion, and continue to be rude in your posts and attacking people, the community don't share your views, the developer doesn't' share your views, i recommend you moving on and searching for a game that fits your tastes better and who's not developed by a "greedy" person according to your words.
I have no clue who that user is. This is my first time on the forum. AS I SAID: I bought this game the week it came out, took a long break when curses were implemented and have come back to find it worse than I ever imagined.
Ayooo it's me the real shady, I'm on vacation with my family rn.
So many people give me feedback about problems in OHOL in the forms of deeply-thought-out fixes. Unless I'm explicitly requesting this kind of input, it's not that useful to me.
Why? Several reasons.
1. You don't know the engine like I do, because you didn't build it, so you don't know what's trivial and non-trivial in that engine. I automatically know whether some proposed change is going to take an hour of work or a week of work, and I'm in a good position to judge whether that amount of work is worth it or not (given that I'll be the one doing the work). I spend a lot of time in these forums explaining why some proposed change would be non-trivial in the engine. There are a few forum members who have gone way deep into the code, and are in a good position to make suggestions based on the engine's capabilities, but they are few and far between.
2. This isn't your game. You don't know my taste and vision the way I do. You don't have a filter that helps you say, "Yeah, that idea fits in with how OHOL should feel and work," versus other ideas that don't fit with my vision for the game.
3. You're probably not a game designer. This sounds harsh or snobby or something, but it's most likely true. And even if you are a game designer (there are some out there, for sure, playing OHOL), you probably don't have the amount of experience that I have after 15 years of doing this and 19 games. If you do have that much experience, I already know you personally, because if you've been making games that long, we've already crossed paths. I'm probably calling you on the phone for advice directly.
Those three reasons may rub you the wrong way, but that's simply the reality of the situation. You're here playing OHOL right now because I coded up this crazy engine, and I stuck with my crazy vision for the game. And I was able to bring the game to this point because of my experience as a designer.
So what do I need from you, the player, mostly as feedback?
Clear statements of problems that you have encountered. I don't need to hear dozens of solutions. I need to understand the problem.
Tarr's recent videos are a great example of what I need: clear demonstrations of a problem.
Don't just shout REMOVE THE WAR SWORD (a solution). Explain the problem that you're experiencing. Oh, one guy came in and wiped a whole village in 20 seconds, and got away unscathed. That is a problem. Maybe I can come up with a solution for that (a sword cool-down, and you can't hide the sword in a pack, etc.)
Even then, people just kept saying, "REMOVE THE WAR SWORD, IT RUINS THE GAME." Really? Hmm... that can't be right. The war sword itself can't be the problem. It must be something else.
And sure enough, the problem was the griefer dance, which has been with us for a whole year, but never really highlighted to me in a clear way. I mean, a year ago, people were telling me to just remove knives.
If someone had said, "Hey, by clicking all over the place, I become invincible when people are trying to kill me," I would have seen that as a clear problem. Again, it wasn't until Tarr's second sword video that I saw the problem clearly. Four people chasing him, and they couldn't get him.
So the sword wasn't actually a problem. It just laid bare an lurking problem that existed for all weapons. And removing the sword wouldn't have fixed the underlying problem---it just would have covered up the problem.
All that said, do you realize how much better the game is with that one little thing fixed?
(And to be fair, it's not that no one ever mentioned this problem to me in the past. I've heard about it here and there, but usually mixed in with a bunch of other proposals that clouded my understanding of the core problem.)
Example: We need more storage! How about food tables, and barrels for wheat, and closets, and shelves and...
Problem: There are 66 different bowls in the game that are not containable, and they clutter the ground when people are using them.
Problem: Storing 12 items in a box requires nested storage, which is really fiddly to access, because you have to set the basket down somewhere to get something out, and the ground is cluttered already.
I mean, heck, if I had listened to you about "shelving" without understanding the problem, I probably would have given you a shelf with four slots for four baskets! Then you really would have thought I was an idiot.
Finally, there are some times when I'm really stuck on something and request ideas. And that's what I use the Suggestions subreddit for---when I'm completely out of ideas, I look there for inspiration.
Ok I'll try this, a person gets cursed, no issue, its just 3 months. Then the update comes, Attention all players!! All curses last five years now. Now instead of 3 months not being able to play the game they exchanged their cash for, now they have to wait five years, and the worst thing is that all their curses stuck with them for the rest of the five years.
California sucks, my brother was forced to live in his car and later on join the military. They smoked the hell out of him in bootcamp.
Sounds like a well issue that somebody named shady predicted would happen, it feels nice to see the world burn.
Ask for a refund then. You ruined your account, that’s on you.
It feels more like Jason fucked everybody who got mass cursed over, he changed it from 3 months to 5 years in the span of a week.
Okay folks enough shitposting. Trolls gonna stay banned for 5 years. Enjoy your vacation from the game and hopefully when you come back to playing with the normal players you’ll understand there are consequences for being a pest.
All you really did was ignore reason
Okay folks enough shitposting. Trolls gonna stay banned for 5 years. Enjoy your vacation from the game and hopefully when you come back to playing with the normal players you’ll understand there are consequences for being a pest.
Uh no.. I'm not wasting my money, this means nothing
good to know you're paying attention in science class
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Its only a punishment IF you are a repeat griefer. You only get sent to donkey town once enough people have cursed you.
Also Shady, you are right, we should take into consideration that it was 50 years before. That means 5 years is Jason's version of *light* punishment. So I think your chances at convincing him to lower it to 1 year are very, very slim. He's probably also not even reading this thread, so I don't know why you are wasting your and our time by complaining here.
And also think about the fact that this was before the update saying HEY GRIEFERS!!! BTW ALL YOUR CURSES YOU GOT BEFORE THE UPDATE WILL LAST FOR FIVE YEARS!!! I know five years doesn't sound like much on paper, but that's 1825 cycles of the earth's rotation. 43800 hours
50 years I would have been 64 with grandchildren, and jason will have been 90 or something.
I will have moved out the dam house in "five years" I wouldn't call that a light punishment. This is donkey town till the second year of my adulthood, I'll be too occupied with school to be playing in the next five years.
Its only a punishment IF you are a repeat griefer. You only get sent to donkey town once enough people have cursed you.
Also Shady, you are right, we should take into consideration that it was 50 years before. That means 5 years is Jason's version of *light* punishment. So I think your chances at convincing him to lower it to 1 year are very, very slim. He's probably also not even reading this thread, so I don't know why you are wasting your and our time by complaining here.
I wouldn't call five years of a human life a light punishment, I don't know what you perceive as light, but five years is far from that. In five years, we will have a whole different president and depending on how things go joe will be serving his second term or we will have a whole new one. Its five years, think about how much has changed in five years.
I think that five years is an over punishment for griefing in general, you won't be able to play the game you paid for for five years.
Lets also take into consideration that last time it was 50 years.
Somebody could have hacked into the website; it is marked as Not secure meaning it has no certificate.
If you have a download manager that could be the issue, just make sure it doesn't stay on your computer, according to the web it allows attackers to send commands into your computer for malicious activity.
It would be an injustice to you because you want me here and you dragged along anybody else who doesn't know what happened and led them on without full context.
You
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120
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Your
AccountIf we looked at how many unique accounts logged in today that would put you at every out of every 5 people one person would have you cursed. Why should anyone care how you feel about being in donkey town when you annoyed that many people? Your redemption is sitting out your ban and eventually getting to come back after enough curses have fallen off or these people stop playing.
It would be an injustice to every single person you griefed in game for you to get your slate wiped clean. I have zero empathy for any of the donkeys because you guys got yourself there by acting like asshats.
Even if you did get out of donkey town you would end back up there because A). A large part of the playerbase does not want to be around you. You would immediately be getting cursed and targeted in towns by people who know who you are and B). Why do you think you should be getting special treatment over the 120 people you bothered?
When school lets back in I want you to look at your first 5 classes of the day. That's how many unique people you pissed off by killing sheep, leading bears, and being a rude dude.
yes, because donkey town wasn't as well penalized which it seems to be now considering the 5-year curse system implemented.
You already did the crime, now you get to do the time. Enjoy your five years worth of curses for annoying so many people maybe in the future you won't be such a rude dude.
All you're saying is f you I don't care what you say and that you just don't like me so you want me to not be able to play. You are truly an annoying person who seems to resort to ignoring fact when its too much for you to handle. I gave you the straight facts and you just said I don't care, I gave you reason and you ignored it. Infact I even gave you my attention and respect hoping you'd find compromise, but you don't seem to know how. You just want things your way and nothing else, you don't care for me or anybody else in donkey town.
If I go on one of those little griefing sprees, you can just get ten towns to curse me or something like that.
Shady is probably snickering behind his computer screen watching us argue with each other over whether we should be nice to him or not lol
Anyways, the community has no reason to trust you. Believe it or not, many people are still griefing even after this new 5 year curse time, so there really isn't a reason to believe that you'd play nicely after having your curses removed (to put it in your own terms, there is no reason to believe that the value of 'A' will change, since we've seen that it doesn't change in most cases). Besides that, you were cursed over 100 times, Shady. You annoyed literally over 100 separate, distinct people with their own thought processes and beliefs. You also wanted your own griefer hetuw, so to me it seems clear that you literally get nothing else from this game but satisfaction from ruining the progress of other players.
You keep repeating the same point -- "If I had known I'd be punished for 5 years, I wouldn't have griefed!" -- and you act as if that point is valid in any way. To me, it's completely moot because the curse system is not only a way of preventing griefers from griefing, it's a way of punishing them. Not to inflate your ego, but you're basically an OHOL war criminal. I wouldn't even blame Jason if he decided to ban an account like yours permanently.
You did a bad thing -- over 100 bad things, in fact -- so now you must face the consequences.
(P.S. You can get a job at 14 in most states in the US, so I don't see why you don't just get some of your own money and buy a new account. I don't even think that should be an option for griefers, but it would get you away from whining on the forums)
I don't know what you're talking about with the value of A will change. What I am talking about is this big update and its effect on all griefers, people are less likely to grief if they will be cursed for 5 years. I won't be playing this game when I'm 19, I'm sure some of the 132 of you would be. And I didn't annoy 100 distinct people, you heard of mass curseing, "OrDeR, CuRsE BLABLA Bla, The fact that you are willing to lie to get what you want out of an argument or debate is really showing.
Think of me doing this as an equivalent of trying to get my money back but not waiting five years to do so. You'd be pretty pissed if you'd lost 14 dollars to some random ass update.
...If this game about building a civilization with other people is full of "such utterly negligent and toxic people," then why do you want to play? Other than to destroy the progress and structures of those "such utterly negligent and toxic people" of course
Wow you must be some type of mind reader, I didn't know I was that predictable. You just missed the fact that
(I would get kicked out the main world for five years if I did that). You do not have to trust me to know the fact that if I grief again I'd be put into donkey town for five years. You can ignore that fact all you want but it still remains constant.
Shady is probably snickering behind his computer screen watching us argue with each other over whether we should be nice to him or not lol
Anyways, the community has no reason to trust you. Believe it or not, many people are still griefing even after this new 5 year curse time, so there really isn't a reason to believe that you'd play nicely after having your curses removed (to put it in your own terms, there is no reason to believe that the value of 'A' will change, since we've seen that it doesn't change in most cases). Besides that, you were cursed over 100 times, Shady. You annoyed literally over 100 separate, distinct people with their own thought processes and beliefs. You also wanted your own griefer hetuw, so to me it seems clear that you literally get nothing else from this game but satisfaction from ruining the progress of other players.
You keep repeating the same point -- "If I had known I'd be punished for 5 years, I wouldn't have griefed!" -- and you act as if that point is valid in any way. To me, it's completely moot because the curse system is not only a way of preventing griefers from griefing, it's a way of punishing them. Not to inflate your ego, but you're basically an OHOL war criminal. I wouldn't even blame Jason if he decided to ban an account like yours permanently.
You did a bad thing -- over 100 bad things, in fact -- so now you must face the consequences.
(P.S. You can get a job at 14 in most states in the US, so I don't see why you don't just get some of your own money and buy a new account. I don't even think that should be an option for griefers, but it would get you away from whining on the forums)
I'm not wasting my money on a game. I'm not a one hour one life war criminal and I don't know what type of reality you're living in. Call me Mr. Krab's, but I'm not wasting a penny on a game with such utterly negligent and toxic people.
I'd be forced to play nicely; I wouldn't be putting all this effort into trying to get back into the main game just to go back to griefing and get a five year ban again.
The idea that the outcome of something previous would be exactly the same with a different variable introduced is downright stupid.
1 + A = 2 will always be A = 1 but when a different variable is added its bound to change.