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I can't decide how I feel about griefers. As a concept, I'm not entirely against them because in game, I sort of like that there are people running around causing harm because that happens in real life. Generally the stronger the rp is the more I'm okay with it...I'd be more alright with a serial killer in game than with someone just constantly running off with shovels and hoes for the heck of it. Basically, for me there's a difference between griefing as an imitation of common real-life crimes and griefing as exploitation of game mechanics just to annoy other people as players and not as characters in-game.
That said, I agree that most griefers are immature and not fun to play with. Although their presence occasionally makes gameplay more exciting, the more often it happens, the less fun it becomes. Much of what I like about griefers is watching the town come together to bring justice down on them, so it wouldn't be fun anymore if they just ran amuck and got away with everything, which they do sometimes.
And as I said, I have a weird relationship with them because I only like them as a concept. If someone came up to me irl and was like "hey I heard you like griefers lol I'm one," I'd be like, "Fuck off...we're not friends." I don't want to be friends with people like that.
So, yeah.
Tbh I'm just here for the drama
Yeah, more genetic variation within families would be nice. I agree that the race thing is weird, and it's gonna be worse once people start slaughtering each other's families...I also was drawn to the game for the character model diversity so I hope it gets fixed soon.
jasonrohrer wrote:Yes, this is a huge change to the game, so there are clearly some holes. They will be fixed over time. Some will be fixed today.
Nope. You won't fix the main hole, swords themselves. You simply won't remove swords or nerf them sufficiently to discourage war. And since you won't do that, you won't implement changes that encourage people to play for their lineages. See that post above from the person who mentions MacBeth and Hamlet who likes murder? That isn't someone who will feel inclined to play for his/her lineage.
As the mentioned theater nerd, I would like to point out that Macbeth and Hamlet are both plays that directly center around people deciding to murder each other in order to (a) promote their lineage or (b) stop a bad lineage from taking over. If I were to take part in a war, I'd probably rp the shit out of promoting my lineage.
That being said, you're not completely wrong...usually, I don't personally see the big deal about lineages so long as the town thrives and people are happy. What I really like is seeing towns go from small to big, no matter how many families are in them. With the new language update, my dream is to find or create a town with a whole bunch of different languages and have this big multicultural city feel.
@honikker, you underestimate the stealth of invaders...and of the women who will take up the combat when all the men die (or before that depending who's controlling them)...and of the starvation caused by siege...or the strongholds that become death traps a la Helms Deep...if there's war, anyone and everyone can die.
@Redcomb, I really like the take on criticism you posted. Definitely something I'll keep in mind for my own work. I think the issue people are having with each other is that criticism from both sides (by which I mean criticism of the game and criticism of the criticism, if that makes sense) is usually really strongly worded, if not in the original complaint then in the replies that follow it. It's hard to make an individual voice heard among so many people, but strong language and biting sarcasm doesn't help, especially when everyone's doing it so it doesn't set anyone apart. This isn't to single anyone out...I've seen people of all opinions on this site (and on the Internet at large) go at each other's throats and it really isn't constructive in the long run.
Like it says in the article you posted, all criticism is good criticism, but it's important to remember that for anyone who creates anything, even the nicest criticism can sting, especially if the creator is new to sharing their work. (Speaking from personal experience.) Although it's certainly on the creator to grow a thicker skin, people with criticism actually help themselves by remaining professional with their language and phrasing, because most of the time it makes the creator more open to hear the complaint. This is done without compromising any part of the criticism, of course! However, I do think there's lots of more effective ways to make a point than using strong language, sarcasm, and mockery; three inherently alienating techniques that can turn the listener against the speaker before they even get a chance to process what's been said.
Then again, some people just wanna watch the world burn and start fights on purpose. Which...you can't do anything about that. But, people who stay professional are easily distinguishable from trolls, which helps people decide who to take seriously and who to disregard.
Anyway, that's my TED talk no one asked for...lol. Hopefully this all gets resolved soon, as much as it can be.
"In twin eves it was really interesting and funny since mainly the dependants are confused - not the eves" (Sorry I'm editing the post and don't know how to quote from here)
That's the main issue I have with the language update...language isn't inherited, but learned. Kids who grow up in the presence of two languages should be bilingual, not confused. That's probably ridiculously hard to code in though, so I'll forgive it.
To the people who don't like the update:
This is the point where I think it's becoming obvious that Jason has some sort of creative vision for the game that doesn't line up with some of the more vocal players' opinions. Personally, I've always thought killing is a super interesting part of the game because it messes up the status quo and allows for some cool rp, although I'm afraid to kill anyone myself because I don't want to end up in Donkey Town. Then again, I'm a theater nerd who's always been a fan of stuff like Hamlet and Macbeth, so of course I'm gonna like war and murderers as part of a survival game. Clearly, though, there are a lot of people who want to use it as sort of a building sandbox, which is great and all, but I'm not sure if that's where Jason wants to go with it.
The fact that there even ARE griefers who kill people for "rp shit" like making dresses as I saw someone say on another thread shows that some people really just want to build as much as efficiently as possible, which is great, but...I don't think that's where the game is going. This is a RP game at its heart, and I honestly think Jason wants that RP to include war and murder.
And as far as wasting resources goes...isn't the concept of this game to see how many generations it will take us to get to our current level of technology? Do you know how many resources we've wasted irl to get where we are today? How many people we've killed? How much we've destroyed? It's not pretty, but if we're gonna get in-game to where we are irl, we're gonna have to waste a crap ton of resources. That's just how it goes.
Then again, what the fans think is a crucial aspect of the game's success, so if most people are against it then Jason will have to figure something else out. Like FeignedSanity said, I think it's just a vocal minority who really hate it, but I could be wrong.
A poll would honestly be nice...that's a good way to get a lot of opinions at once.
And maybe there could be some sort of sandbox server where murder and war is impossible for those who just want to build.
No lie, when I first read about this update I thought I was gonna hate it...but now I've played a bit with it, I love it. It really adds flavor to the world! I'm gonna make it my new goal to learn how to cross language barriers...once I stop starving at young age, lol.
(It's been a tough time surviving in this new update. Think I just got bad luck. First highly populated town I spawned in sacrificed me; rest has been Eves in barren locations or new settlements in the same boat. lol.)
Oh, that worked. Thanks!
So I just downloaded the latest update from Steam about 10 minutes ago, and since then none of the characters are nude anymore. Is this just me? When I first downloaded the game, I downloaded the nudity mod as well, but it wasn't working and eventually the nude character models grew on me. I took the mod off about 5 minutes before the update just cause I figured I might as well, and then everything went back to potato bods again. I've tried pasting the original sprites back into the sprites folder several times, but nothing happens.
Is this just me seeing the nudity gone, or is it gone for everyone? It's kinda funny because originally I was against the game having nudity, mostly because I bought it from watching Lets Plays and I just wasn't aware that the nudity was even a thing, so it was kinda jarring at first...but now it's a bit jarring for it not to be there.
Anyway, tldr is this just me or is this an update?