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What do you want to be when you grow up?
now i wanna stay
hihibanana - "You can't leave, I'm kicking you out!"
You're not worth talking to. So bye
Horns?! No way, that is too badass, just like the black text.
Instead, I think they should have a pile of poo on their heads,
and their text bubble would be brown, too.
yeah, i'm such a jokester.
Also, that second artful bit is called synthesis, you might learn about that in college when you grow up someday.
Ben_efitThe7th wrote:post
Why?
Pharo, it's time to take more breaks. I can tell you're very close to a mental breakdown. What you're doing right now is trying to be manipulative, using the community as a tool to demean and break someone down. This is because you're trying to break yourself down because of self-consciousness and lack of well-being (this is known as projection). Relax, take a break. Work on yourself, because it will get better.
I thought the gif was intimidating funny.
What you're doing right now is trying to be manipulative,
using manipulative diversions and personal attacks
as a tool to demean and break someone down.
I'm not breaking.
Thanks for the inspiration
Love,
Pharo
He says it right here, hihi
sponges...sit around and eat up the food and resources that productive players have made.
That is why.
Sure, you have the right to play the game your own way, but at least try to cooperate with the players who want to work, like being useful WHILE role playing. I’m not the only one who said this and you seem to not understand.
I’m still going to stab people who just eat up resources and stand around, basically, give back what you take or a stabbin for u.
Exactly
Woah, that GIF is pretty aggressive, why are you so mad?
Is it because your "truths" have gotten more shit from the community than wet compost?
Also, why can you never answer a question directly with out changing the subject, discrediting, and dismissing someone else?
How come you are the one using manipulative tactics like your many straw-man arguments,
yet you call me manipulative, multiple times. Kinda Orwellian.
Show me one example of trying to manipulate people.
I want to see what you define manipulation as.
Is me asking you to do this manipulation to you?
#Questions
I have so many questions.
I'm not really making assumptions. I'm making observations that are true. If I were voicing my truth, it would be far different. For example, I would prefer him to speak in a way that would allow him to empower those around him, while he is here, while, objectively he should stop and work on himself. The former wouldn't be as healthy, and that's why the best option is the latter. Not common sense; you're making assumptions now. It is possible to find an objective truth, but you must believe it's possible. Again, this post is filled with your truth, and doesn't seek to find the truth. As such, it is harmful to this thread's goal of finding the truth of the matter, and is still really hard to reply to in a meaningful way.
I was done being civil with you at least three posts ago, so again:
Go fuck yourself.
You aren't a psychologist.
Your observations hold no merit here.
I've played with Mirelli, Turnipseed, Dr. Steve, Pein, Chu Tarr, and other great community members... they've been witnesses to my playstyle,
and can back me up,
I do not just murder people senselessly,
nor do I seek to throw around my weight
just because I can.
Comparing me to people like that is a false observation, so fuck you.
Love,
Pharo
P S - Eat ass.
Edited for accidental link, and one more Fuck You to hihibanana
I'm very new to the game, joined late, maybe 15 hours in. I do not know what the game was like before the curse system was in place, but reading these forums it sounds like griefers used to be a much bigger problem than they are now. For me it is people with the attitude supported by I am Pharo in this thread that ruin the game, I probably will not continue to play it.
I have been killed without explanation several times for being new and clueless, or tasked with something so menial that I remain new and clueless ("your job is putting berries in bowls") I have learnt far more reading forums and watching let's play videos on youtube than anyone ever showed me in game.
It is because of people like I am Pharoah that I will feed cursed kids if the town I'm in is even a little bit draconian.
Although you have the right to, it's not wise to enter a debate with people who have played through 25+ versions of the game, killed dozens of griefers, prolonged the legacy of countless family lines, and expect to come out on the side of reason.
Griefing is, has been, and will continue be a big issue in this game, especially with people like you and others enacting, encouraging, enabling grief.
If people talk about grief less than before, which I doubt, I imagine the reason is, we as a community have accepted that squashing grief and trolling, is a part of the game, like smithing, it takes time to get good at.
Some of us all the game "Two Griefers One Life"
Also: did you not hear of the butter knife glitch from about a week ago?
Griefing was at an all time high, until a hotfix.
It was a bloody weekend.
Feeding cursed kids doesn't seem reasonable response, but do you, troll.
Though, be warned: you are putting your self at risk, many villages do curse checks, and so they will kill you and the cursed babies.
If you're not going to continue playing then bye, Felicia
Maybe OHOL isn't for you.
Everything Dr Steve said
All the bumps.
Edited to remove accidental link.
Also to add, "go fuck yourself, hihibanana."
What is wrong with you, Pharo? I'm not trying to be mean, but you should really see someone about that attitude. Always trying to pinpoint it one someone else. Not taking responsibility for your actions. It seems you're trying to use all of these words to manipulate people, to distract them from seeing your true stance on the matter, because neither I, nor anyone, can really see your stance. All it seems you're doing is defending yourself, and putting people between you and some invisible "attack", when no one is attacking you at all. We're asking you to stop assuming people that do nothing are griefing, because whoever came up with "sponging" has no idea what they're talking about, and is making up excuses to kill people. And you're supporting it. And other people are supporting it. Just don't. You don't know the true short-term and long-term ramifications of assuming someone is doing nothing, and killing them. It's bad for the game, the community, our progress in the game as a whole, and, most importantly, our enjoyment of a game. You cannot ignore these consequences, because I'm sure you know they're real, and have felt them. People on the forums that talk about murder like it's fun. People on the forums that talk about killing griefers like it's fun. People on the forums that complain that they can't kill griefers easily, people on the forums talking about how they cannot murder other people easily. People do not care about the game, or its progress. They want it to be a stress-relief game, where they can kill anonymously without consequences. And that's scary. And it's scary to have people like that in our community... no matter what argument you have, killing people in this game is not excusable.
If you haven't felt it, you are a psychopath. What is more important? That you can contribute to the game, or that someone else can have fun in the game?
And please don't try to use some fancy poetry. It doesn't work on me.
Bruh.... are you serious, my guy?
WTF are you even talking about?!
I've said enough, and I've said it well.
Fuck you for calling me a psychopath.
Fuck that other guy, for calling me Fascist.
And a big ol' fuck you for saying I have an attitude problem.
You hit me up with replies like
"You have an attitude problem" "You should leave the game" "You are a psychopath"
How the fuck do you think im going to talk to you, whisper sweet lullabies to you?
Getthefuckouttahere, my guy.
Strawman Arguement Figure 2.
Yeah, everything has to be working
work work work
fuck your fun
you play this game only to work
work or don't play
no fun allowed
what is this "fun" anyway?
if you spend one second not working you will be killed
no idc if ur just afk or resting, work until age 60 or be stabbed in the gut
No one, not even Pein, probably the biggest griefer hound of us all, is making that argument.
Did you not read this whole bit I wrote earlier? (I'll highlight some key parts)
It seems some of you are confused by the term "standing around doing nothing"
and are, wrongfully but understandably so, correlating it with being AFK,
which is odd, because if someone is AFK, and they dont feed themselves...
they die on their own.
In fact I've fed AFK players, hoping to keep them alive during a possible connection error,
or things that need attention IRL.By sitting around doing nothing, I mean,
hanging in town, just eating...
No, not someone observing and learning... someone who is willfully refusing to contribute EVER in their lives.Not talking about kids under 10 who have barely enough bars to explore outside of town naked with no backpack.
Not talking about the elderly .
We are talking about that 13-40 year olds who don't do anything of significance...
And yes, I consider being a care-giver/nursery-maid labor,
so don't further confuse yourselves.
Wow, like I somehow knew someone would bring up the "they're just a baby?" argument, that no one here is actually debating,
except the ones making strawmen arguments.
I clearly stated the scenario you mentioned
is not what anyone here in defense of executing griefers
is trying to achieve, nor is it an unintended repercussion.
Sponging, not doing a thing but eat food your whole life, isn't the same as taking a break, or being afk.
And if someone's idea of fun is role-playing as a tyrant, monarch,
or another authority figure, and think they can stand in town the whole game,
or kill people who aren't down with their role-playing...
guess what, me and other like minded players are going to rebel,
and execute you, your whole squad, or go out trying to.
and stop making straw man arguments, folks.
Good Night,
Pharo
Lol thank you for the dictionary. Yah you need a dictator to have fascism, and applying that word imperfectly to game play you are the dictator who "uses forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy." - Wiki's sum of Fascism
The metaphor isn't perfect, it's just what's there for the circumstances of how you are in the game on griefers. Like working for the civiliazation would be working towards teh 'society and of the economy' and having a direct desire to kill that which does not adhere to making the society tick- well it's really NOT that bad of a metaphor. It's just not a true cross over.
Damn, bro. You are an innovator.
I've never seen someone decry someone a fascist in one breath only to back pedal that into claiming its a metaphor.
Saying "you are an asshole" is probably ten times stronger a "metaphor" than your trashy attempt at figurative language.
And, about the dictionary... You're welcome.
Try using it sometime, since much like your posts, wiki is not a credible source of information.
Your metaphor is untrue.
Your analogy is untrue.
So you are wrong, and can go fuck yourself, too.
Hey, that rhymed.
Please sit down. Metaphorically.
Love,
Pharo
If someone is working hard and stops-- you give them the benefit of the doutb. Many times, my cat pukes/knocks over water/laundry must be retrieved to avoid getting dumped on the floor.
To kill someone over for possibly just going AFK and will come back and work is -insane-
...Uhhhh, yeah.
We do give them the benefit of doubt.
But Auner and hihibanana are claiming otherwise because #reasons #postulations..
Also- that's going to limit new players- because if you fuck something up really hard- you might get called a griefer-- so you just sit and do nothing and get called a griefer.
Again, you are assuming, again wrongfully two things -
one: that we don't talk to people,
and two: that new players don't apologize when they mess up.
They do. And sometimes ask for help. They live, and learn.
yOu gUyS are fAcIsTs
Oh, word?!
Do I really need to explain how this is not fascism?
Fascism - a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
(source - Dictionary.com)
I think you have me, Pharo,
confused with the societies that say things like:
"Kill all (brown or fair skinned) people,"
or the few that get overthrown
by the roleplaying troll/shiteater
DICKTATOR
Led by a dictator?
No, what we do requires no leader, and has none.
Also, we kill Dictator, so you're welcome.
Forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism?
Opposition to sponging and grief?
Check-ity-check-check-check
Criticism?
Nope
We don't suppress criticism.
And "You killed ___, i'm going to kill you"
isn't criticism, that is a clear threat ,
and that's a stabbin'.
Regimenting all industry?...
A - Nope, anyone can do something that needs to be done...
just.
go.
do.
it.
B - Show me the player that can even regiment just 10 other players in doing just ten roles,
and I'll give that player the OHOL Charismatic Commander Award.
Emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism?
No, not one of us promotes either types of behavior
So, by definition: we are not fascists.
However, also by definiton,
Auner and hihibanana are demonstratively misguided.
Congratulations.
It seems some of you are confused by the term "standing around doing nothing"
and are, wrongfully but understandably so, correlating it with being AFK,
which is odd, because if someone is AFK, and they dont feed themselves...
they die on their own.
In fact I've fed AFK players, hoping to keep them alive during a possible connection error,
or things that need attention IRL.
By sitting around doing nothing, I mean,
hanging in town, just eating...
No, not someone observing and learning... someone who is willfully refusing to contribute EVER in their lives.
Not talking about kids under 10 who have barely enough bars to explore outside of town naked with no backpack.
Not talking about the elderly.
We are talking about that 13-40 year olds who don't do anything of significance...
And yes, I consider being a care-giver/nursery-maid labor,
so don't further confuse yourselves.
If you want written laws, I'm sure the community can conjure up something on the lines of the TEN OHOL commandments.
AND:
Not every life is going to be a productive life but you have to understand everything you're enjoying in game is built off of someone else's hard work. People get annoyed when they see you just standing there doing nothing for long periods of time. If you go full sponge mode people very much have a right to be angry that they're working to make things better for everyone and you're just crunching bones and eating berries for sixty minutes.
I get it. I've had lives where I've done the same exact thing and when murdered I wasn't the least bit mad about it. You don't have to be a work horse every single moment you play the game but understand that people don't want you wasting their time. I spent an hour and a half of my time collecting rabbits (Was born a Greathouse then born to Turnip) and I can't even tell you how frustrated I was to see people make themselves full sets of fur clothing while living in a desert.
The people who scooped up the furs did NOTHING their whole lives. We didn't expand our food sources, we didn't expand the road. But hey, I'm sure those people deserved to sit around with all the furs on while children starved out because they couldn't take the time to do anything.
The point is it's a game about coming together and working together. No one wants to work hard all the time but please don't do jack all.
Also, the reason we don't have railing systems is that they're just big dumb toys with almost zero real value for their cost. No sane person is going to spend two iron mines to make a track that a human with a cart can out perform and won't get griefed by some random dude with a shovel.
TL;DR Have fun but don't be a giant sponge.
ALL OF THAT
Thank you, Tarr.
You a real one.
I removed both of the doors being blocked by uncle graves so both of those rooms are usable again. Also left a - key in both cities so any of the chests/doors can be opened (Except the goose house and the southern left hand building as they have fresh locks by someone else.)
I also have two spare - keys hidden and an B + C key waiting to be turned to - keys. Things are looking up as long as people take care of the city.
Tarr, do you know how to make a skeleton key the "Key = ?"
I saw one on the house locked up north, I went to claim the key after the keyholder was attacked by a bear, the bear but starved getting the loot.
You can remove marked graves? With what, a pickaxe or chisel?
Strawman Arguement Figure 1.
That's honestly a disturbing mindset, and you probably should stay away from this game. If you're so stressed out about what people aren't doing, then I feel sorry for your gameplay experience. I've played this game enough to know that it is more an issue of disorganization, than lack of participation, that can kill a society. If everyone decides to smith, explore, rabbits at the same time, the berries die, and suddenly there's a famine. Everyone is farmers, but suddenly there is no more soil (no shovels and tech) and there's a famine. If you're spending time harassing people for not doing anything, to the point of ending their gameplay experience, you don't have enough time to organize your villages. And we wonder why we don't have railing systems connecting bustling cities already. Most people have fun when they're in the middle of working. The rest are new players, AFK, or are learning a new skill in the game (looking items hints, etc). There is not going to be anyone doing nothing for the sake of doing nothing. Killing someone due to that assumption is downright insanity.
Who are you, and now Auner, to falsely assume that I,
a known griefer hound (OHOL player who executes griefers),
lack the ability to spot nor communicate with someone who is
AFK, looking up recipies, what-have-you,
from someone who is griefing?
hihibanana, I guess.
If you're so stressed out about what people aren't doing,
I am stressed out by what people are doing.
They are killing are productivity, they are distracting other players, they are wasting our IRL time. May they think about what they've done before being reborn... they won't, you have not.
AnD wE wOnDeR wHy wE dOn'T hAvE rAiLiNg sYsTeMs cOnNeCtInG bUsTlInG cItIeS aLrEaDy.
According to
hihibanana: The griefer hounds,
and not the
griefers
*cough*(hihibanana)*cough*
are to blame...
Yeah? No.
I don't think we should, its pretty easy to pick a lock. To get tools back if a griefer hides them, then just kill the griefer.
Kill griefer FIRST, THEN get tools back,
unless want to spend up thirty years of life dealing with one griefer.
Edited to make the word "griefer" look more like poo.
People sitting around doing nothing is NOT an excuse to kill someone. They are NOT griefing. You can yell at them, sure, but don't kill them. I swear, people are just coming up with excuses to kill eachother because they feel like killing someone.
Sitting around doing nothing, or spamming for "years",
is arguably sponging which is a form of griefing.
If someone asks a player who isn't doing anything productive
(especially at times of famine or at the dawn of a new age when most focused labor is required to survive and/or grow)
multiple times with no impact to action, no change in duty,
especially when paired with disdain...
well, then that my friends,
that's a stabbin'.
Spamming objects instead of farming:
that's a stabbin'.
Stealing a mother's baby is kidnapping,
and that's a stabbin'.
I swear, people are just coming up with excuses to kill eachother because they feel like killing someone.
As OP can attest to, it seems like we are finding "people are just coming up with excuses" not to be productive for their society.
Do I want to kill villagers?
No, I really don't.
It puts me in danger, from starvation and scared villagers.
Executions frequently cause players to stop what they are doing,
start talking to understand the justification of said execution,
and more often than not,
rallying against the keepers of basic law and order,
like me.
That is just the risk I bear being a keeper.
You're welcome.
I'd rather be black smithing , building, or tending sheep.
I DO want villagers to help our society flourish,
but very often famines/food crises are caused
by people not doing direct harm,
but rather endlessly bullshitting.
I am not endorsing slaughtering people in their 50s,
who should be freely allowed say their goodbyes
and tie up loose ends
("Here is where i have a hidden bow and arrow, knives, etc... Rabbits are south west, Iron is..., etc...")
in the final moments of their life.
As a player, Jason asks us to figure out how we,
both as individuals and as a community,
are going to handle griefing.
And as of right now, talking and curses aren't an effective deterrent,
and the game is only progressing, giving us weekly updates with more to do
and more and more to be responsible for.
So, I and other like minded individuals in the community (shout out to Mirelli)
have decided to
always stab and shoot griefers,
and people who's roleplaying includes being non-working tyrants,
or non-working *fill-in-the-blank*
Love,
Pharo
Edited to give words "griefing" and "griefers" a well deserved poo color.
thegolfpantsguy wrote:had a few lifes there already, one life i had all keys and removed some not important ones...
day later they were back, so it was time for that city...I also took off about four or five locks in one of my lives. Placed them all inside the north city storage room and let someone I trust keep the only key to it. Apparently someone who got the key decided to take all the locks out and just slap the things back on.
People need to stop locking doors or only make them out of pine.
Yes I had the key you gave me, and died somewhere, I think of starvation as an elderly.
I logged in today, and saw locks were put back, and people grieved the southern left room, blocking the door.
SMH.
How will we reach these kidddssssss?!
That's pronounced Yosef, not Joseph.
Obey or be purged.
Wait a second... are you Dicktator?
****SPOILERS****
this:
http://onehouronelife.com/updateLog.php
Mostly major road network upgrades, including train tracks and mine carts.
I'm sure Jason will give it a cool name with accompanying GIF by sometime tomorrow.