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not true, it grows in Bulgaria now with the global warmup

races suck cause it's not a choice, restrictions are good when you can unlock them somehow

by a zone, I mean a chunk of land with a centre and some aoe effects could buff or nerf them

understand it right, pip per water counts, the whole yum was my idea and new corn values too so I'm aware of values
it's fine to have variety and all, but a fixed water amount means it takes away from other things, so essentially a harmful activity if there is an income or a way to retrieve, it's just low effectiveness, won't harm others but their efforts are misplaced, heck, even overproduction hurts, while making compost was kind of best way to help long term, making too much makes water usage more important as each stack of soil will need water to go along with it, so too much is esentially using up your fixed amount of water and ties down your options
the first case, the person doing it will not covert his time to value, so his life has no value, not even breaking even, his actions are harmful and others are rightfully pissed at him
while resources are less valuable, time and activity will become more of a value, meaning you can't be fully useless if you got 30 water per hour and 15 storage, then the focus is on workforce and not overall usage effectivity, you would lose water for not emptying the storage
this way it's more acceptable that some people don't know any better
if it's fixed, there is no reason not to do your most effective foods

as for realism, it makes no sense
it should be a curve where hitting the minimum amount of workers is important, then above that, you could have problems if you can't organize
right now you want the lowest possible highly educated workers so your effectiveness is higher and upkeep is lower
so a free tier of resources is needed and the possibility of creating value out of nothing but time
for example, a basic level of clothing that is made of leaves and plants should be possible, to differentiate lazy people and low tech
or making a tea out of rainwater and leaves would give a small boost of heat and calories, that would make initiation, action and the ability to scout your surroundings an okay skill to have, sure, it shouldn't be a way to improve or even survive, but a way to maintain and slow down the upkeep damage

Jason says is realistic that everything runs out, but it's not. cities formed along rivers, Europe has a long history and civilization can be tracked better, the Danube river has 7 capitals on it, some countries even tried connecting it to their own capital
there are suitable places to live or can be forced to be suitable, like Dubai, which has no water on its own
It should be a reason why something is a good place to live and others bad. If any place is just as good to make things, nothing worth anything
So tech should be tied to location. You could only create certain tech in certain places, and not others, you could not move all the things that make a city a city, you could only get limited rewards. Life find a way, just watched some videos in Pakistan and they barely got any water but they know the usage of plants and they can survive there.

What I say is cities should be something that produce more resources over time, not just a collection of items that some people agreed upon
Jason loves the concept of making up concepts, money, trade and all, but players got a limited time, they can't waste it for leadership, and dumb things that won't stand a chance to be respected and remembered trough generations, it must be defined by the game
SO things should be grouped and organized by the game and players have a set of settings to choose from, and the game would provide ways to keep that remembered and respected

The map can be auto-generated but the places should have more uniqueness, value, like zones with central objects that generate resources that won't run out, just maybe won't be optimal to stay there forever. A concept of relative value, not an absolute one.
Right now there is X resources, like 50 clay that is 50 plates, in the great scheme of things, it doesn't matter how long it takes or how many people do it, it will be 50 plates, not 10 per hour for 5 hours, not 5 per hour for infinity, it's 50, it can be done in 4 runs or in 10, it's still 50.
The players seem to be observers, not a variable that can change things. It should be an environment that needs constant input to provide output, not a fixed input and fixed output.

Everything else is fine, food types and values can change but your main issue should be not 'how I use it' but 'how I organize' or 'how I will have enough workers' or 'what I focus on'. Because all those questions have the same answer right now. Collect, use, do by yourself. Food is just your upkeep, it's important, but it's not hard to do. But eventually, with fixed resources, your upkeep will be the same as your output, and all die forever. While with a dynamic input, you would need huge mismanagement to die. Would be more fun to change focus based on needs.

So that means we need more 'needs', like a stamina bar, so working is limited but universal, not like tools were, unlimited but your focus is limited. This would make teamwork better. Team jobs that can only be done in pairs. Job timers of 10-30 seconds. So it's not about time but more of manning the equipment. Upgrading resources using other resources, sinking more and more of it but having some improvement over time. Value could only stagnate or go up, not a 0 sum game.

storage, packs before anything, especially with yum, clothes are not as important
packs, aprons and pants, the only thing I don't like about wolf hat is that covers bp, but you can farm wolves too.

Oxygen not Included did it right, first, you had only a normal base than dangerous territories, like slime and lava, sure it's a mineshaft so they could simulate oxygen. Butt after people complained about the stuff running out, they changed the model, now you can plant trees for ethanol, use salt and rust, you got different techs to do stuff differently, for the same result, and it's not easy, you got to focus on things you can do, it still runs out but can be recycled, and that's how real lif works too, ofc if too many people live in the same area, it runs out, but continuous lands should provide enough resources so cities emerge.

Right now OHOL doesn't have cities, it's a collection of things, and you don't even need to collect stuff, you move around and reinvent the wheel.
I remember when Jason wanted to change wells, and I told him water deposits should exist, and buckets should limit tech levels, and it worked, people doing better wells, bucket limited the tech for cows and painting so it was a good change.
That's what we need, tech gates, stuff that replaces previous outdated tech. Stations that save work when items are delivered. I think the way everything is connected to hunger only, is bad, so tool slots. It could be connected to energy. And then players would matter in the equation, the more work you do, the less you need to struggle. The map could be more compact, trees closer but cutting and using them would be more time.
Items, machines should be more expensive but provide more functions, like a sawmill would be needed to cut boards, so what you do? do it with a saw, rest and continue or ask help or build a sawmill.

The map is nice, it's auto-generated, but it lacks what good maps have, spots that can make into a city and function over time. One way to fix itt would be an upkeep based city model, where higher functions are interconnected, you could always get resources, but you need more and more to sink into upgrading machines and elements, so there is always work, things to do, workers are needed and resources are not the main factor. Right now having 20 dumb people doesn't matter if you got 2 good ones, they do the tech and that's it, in some case people use up all water or ropes and it's hard, but not impossible. But imagine this: you got water regenerating and it's enough for certain stuff but you can't do higher-level machine work until you fix it, and how you fix it? Getting wood/iron to upgrade water generation.

Surviving Mars had a nice system, and it re-evaluated resource values, first, you had evaporators to collect some water, then you had to dig for a basin, which ran out after a while, then dig deeper when you got the tech and finally upgrade your machines enough to get a better water/power ratio from the evaporators. Also digging for concrete left behind rocks, which are just garbage at first but with the right tech, you can turn it to concrete and actually faster than mining at the right tech level.

So for OHOL it could be more ways to get water, like bottle trees, collect rain, re-filter used water, etc. The main problem to solve would be having enough workers in one area, and ignoring others. So whatever jobs you do, you make a profit but some give more. Right now if you use resources in a bad way, it won't come back anymore, and you might ruin others efforts. Planting berries? other foods use less water. This would be solved with regenerating resources, you still got to wait for 15 min or upgrade water output.

Also an energy system would be good, and machines. Something making it worth sticking with a place and fixing it instead of moving far away. Some items could be essential but depend on machines. Like clothes or tools.
Also liked the system in SM and Planetbase, you don't replace things, you got universal repair kits that you use for anything. So a hoe could be repaired or an axe, no need to re-do it, but you got to build the infrastructure to support repair kits.

Right now the game is moving between tech levels -1 0 1 2. You got towns that have no resources (thanks for engine removal), barely starting ones, ones with basic stuff, and ones with a few advanced things like animals and clothing making. It should be 0-1-2-3-4.... You should never have towns that produce nothing, any activity should provide resources for like 4 people. And it should always be a higher-tech level for anything.

Jason just made grids to have equal resources, you got fixed water, iron, so it does not really matter to have a good location for cities, it does not matter how many workers you got, actually, more is worse than a few.  Players just consume, and not always produce, and they can't, there is no activity where time and work equals resources, only resources equal resources,  you can spend collecting 36 adobe in life and you build a house in 2 minutes or less. You remove food and water and iron all the time and eventually all gone. I would prefer a way to convert resources then convert back. ONI had the toilet systems which is kinda funny, but it kinda covers water needs.

OHOL could have a free tier of resources, that can make higher tier ones, like dirty water+coals(ashes from fire) would make some clean water, simple clothes made out of leaves and plants, wood from collecting some fallen branches. Iron from scraps that appear from time to time.
Main resources would have a cap and lose when nobody collects it, so activity and exploring would be rewarded, progress would be halted but not completely stopped. Starving would be still possible.

rimworld is shit graphics

I'm doing ck3 lately, is quite fun, not multi, but can be, just a bit harder to set up and you need your own friends. The genetics, events and randomness are quit funny.

I think one issue is that the game provides no true goals and no competition/rewards, so being toxic is one way to play, the game doesn't see if something is bad or annoys others.

you missed to call it a nyehphew

maybe put a delay to prevent cheating the system. Like after half an hour you would get to see what happened. But that would mean recording it so it's not so good. Would give a reason for graves, people could pretend they cared.

Can relate, I was bringing all the shit needed for oil, I refreshed a city for 6 hours, I made a bell, third in the world.
Took me 10 minutes of telling them to bring shit and then the only ginger girl came with us, made a fire in the ice and went back saying 'hello'. And I even had some enthusiastic whites to translate. If you can't do it you don't do it, if you can do it, you already done it, no need to tell you. The leader system is crap, if you got time to become a leader, you already got the wrong priorities.

communistic shit never worked. a town of 95 people you couldn't track down killers and punish them, but also you couldn't work from trolls and wannabees.
A lot of towns di out cause hey got wrong priorities, i saw a single grandma feeding a bunch of lazy noobs and it was doomed to fail. In the end its just simple math. You got to focus on the tech upgrades asap. Its better to let some die than to fight the inevitable. And a backpack on a smart person worth more than sheepskin on everyone.

i was only able to remove 7-8 pieces of the fence from 55 to 60, its just too complex, Jason doesn't care, it should be easier to remove parts of it like maybe it should be just points that would auto-connect and remove one tile would remove all side.

there are no static activities really, why you would need to do something somewhere? machines, bonuses? people make kitchens, rarely smithies, not much reason to build something everlasting when you die
resources aren't expensive enough, there is this new trend in mobile games, put three things together to make a bigger one, its a simple concept but its fun, because it has tiers, requirements, goals, uses. easy to scale them. doesn't have to be factorio level scaling, just a hyper-expensive item, made out of cheaper ones, and a reason to build it. For example, the world would end in a timer, you would have a win condition, build an item and move to the other side of a mountain, leave the planet, whatever.  a constant need of making things.

living 1 hour and having no loyalty is on big thing. If you would have to be loyal to a group for a week, things that you make would make sense, it would be a deathmatch over generations to make your group the best. Some sort of auto-grouping and re-balancing. Like life tokens, you would get more tokens joining a weak group, maybe some inter-life rewards. small things that would give an advantage or cosmetics. Or temporary cosmetics, like 1 week in a group and reaching max rewards would give full body tattoos or some special item recipe.

Some sort of point system or economic system. Owning land around a city would cost you money per month, but you could make money and use it to get special items, then fences would make sense, but then again it would just be better with pre-defined sizes of space.
You either need a machine to do a certain job, which otherwise is slower/impossible, so buildings mak more sense or other penalties that occur outside of fences.

There was several of them

First I remember was West town, the first city ever to create likee 100 berry bushes
it just got neeerfed and it was very rare before having so much so it lasted a long time, the pop was around 40-60 all the time

Then it was clayton family, we still were on the eve spiral, it was a weird looking town, was there quite early but people were blocking each other a lot
we couldn't manage to make proper setups
the pop was 95 at onee time
we tried to dig out bushes and starve some girls but the noobs didn't let us
the forge was near a snow pile and snowball kills were still a thing, so we killed around 10 idiots to be able to make tools
nobody cared cause it was just too much

I remember I was somehow able to make a cart and upgrade with rubber wheels, that was the highest tech in town, and I got killed for mentioning that I made that, it was a mess. there was a stupid berry line 4x3x3, they even planted it together, we managed to dig out some, then make roads between but then they planted more, eventtually was like 8x3x3 and wasn't enough, and was so hard tto maintain when there was no compost and no waatter. and people were still dumb for sheep so itt was hardcore crazy

In the rift, the best town was mine, it was before the oil was on grid, so it had 2 near each other
it was the 8 day rift, first I settled NE and fixed up a town before people could move in and survive, took me like 3 full lives. then some people stole stuff and moved 200 to left, when It decayed I was an eve and just moved 40 to the right and made new well, fortress, around 25x20 fence. the raiders got my fam, I was coming back as my own grandkid and I was the sole survivor of that massacre. I saved a black eve who instantly had 5 kids. it was a small setup but everything inside, pen, well, oven, some space for the forge. still got 2 photos of it. the next ay was still going strong, fenced up, engine made, oil made. eventually I had to scavenge 7 cities for all thee broken tools to make new engine, to get oil, to get iron from mines. I dropped 200 iron on the 6th day when jason was on the vacation. it was crazy stupid at the end, people cut everything, killed everyone several times. eventually everything was full of corpses, bears, locked buildings and no fire.

yeah total utter trash, at least before it gave some score for playing

now is a lottery you don't have control about at all

and does who complain about score farming are big idiots, it should be totally possible to exclude others and gain points, it's not always easy or fun to do so, I don't understand whats the problem with gaining score differently than the main boring style, a few people like to play like that, make foods raise kids, everyone else is punished for not liking this forced and boring style