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The game has most of that already. The only thing from your list that I haven't seen is people being locked up. The simplest solution to not being murdered is literally just to "git gud".
Morti, can you please stop writing half a dozen 2000+ word essays EVERY SINGLE DAY about meaningless babble that you could summarise in a single paragraph? This is a forum, not your personal blog.
You people are sick.
I admit, the graveyards are getting a little too big, but that just means you folks need to stop killing each other and dying so young.
Morti, are you mathematically illiterate? Graves are permanent and each generation you'll be adding another few dozen... Yeah, no thanks.
You call others useless or griefers, yet you're the one wasting shovels on graves, and "salting the earth" with the nameless dead. If you actually gave a shit about graveyards, you might actually grow some flowers, make the graves into rows, OR AT THE VERY LEAST stop putting your graveyards in the middle of the town... King Baby makes some good RP graveyards and you should take some notes from your betters.
I still cherish the life we had together where you ran around saying how great you are literally seconds before being eaten by one of the bears I warned you about.
At least Pein is turning your griefyards into something that actually benefits the town.
I can see penalties or buffs becoming a HUGE murder problem. Imagine the guy with a knife killing the baker for making "too many" carrot-rabbit pies. The farmer with an arrow pointed at his head if he doesn't plant crops to the demands of the murderer.
You shouldn't be making too many carrot-rabbit pies anyway... Most of the time, it's just a waste of a carrot. Since threshed wheat has no value, it's !!MUCH!! better to make a carrot pie and a rabbit pie seperately.
Currently there is no good reason to add more than 1 ingredient to a pie.
That’s a relief. Still, it would be good to increase the difficulty in doing killing sprees. Killing is sometimes anti-griefing, but mass killing is always griefing of the worst kind.
I can't remember the last time I saw a mass killing spree... Carrot spongeing (even with OP berries) is still a more pernicious form of griefing than mass killing, since it's less detectable, nonpreventable, and more disastrous.
I don't see there being a "murder epidemic" like some have claimed - it's a non-issue.
I don't understand it either. I like the challenge of raising all my kids, for better or worse. If you're a woman you might have 3-4 kids at once and then you're really limited in what you can do. Why would you not want some people who can go search and gather resources without worrying about babysitting? I'd rather have 1 or 2 solid daughters who can continue the lineage and like 8 men who can focus on getting shit done. One or two solid rabbit hunters will crank out a ton of clothes, which is a great leg up for settlement's children.
The anti-male bias dates back to when the game was more difficult and the populations were low. With a low and insecure (lots of starvation) population you want a higher ratio of girls, since if you can only have 4 people you don't have much room for error, and the player would be able to respawn back, but hopefully as a girl within a matter of a minute or two anyway.
Now with the lineage ban and the easier difficulty, man-hating is reserved for those who haven't played in awhile and haven't learned the current meta. You only need 1-4 berry bushes per person currently, so there's not really any reason to watch your population.
This dude gets it. Men are to forage - not to laze about the camp (especially when small and not many camp related jobs).
Alleria wrote:The reason Jallah (PBUH) didn't give you the gift of children was because you weren't following Beriah Law correctly. One must never eat of the berry. The berry is reserved for the sacred duty of composting. Jallah (PBUH) demands we follow Berrislamism, and that we behead the disbelievers. Women may not wear fur pants and those who eat of the berry will burn in Hellfire.
Do not believe this demon worshipping bitch. The demons of corn, wheat, carrots, milkweed seek to consume the earth when they can not intercept the goddess's gift. These demons will eat you lives in toil like they eat the soil. They will make you toil in a literal hell of sheep shit and worms. They are false.
Listen to the goddess and you will have a life frolicking in a lush garden, honoring the goddess with pure sweet water. Pick the sixth berry and deny the demons their theft.
Jallah (PBUH) came to me last night and told me He will add another berry to the bush so that it will have 7. 7 is the number of Jallah (PBUH). The false gods have held sway over our minds for too long. You will find my words to be true, as He delivers His miracle. All will convert to Berrislam or face the wrath of Jallah (PBUH) and His disciples. Behead those who insult Berrislam.
What is the Berry Religion? I’ve heard of it but don’t know what it is. Considering following it if I know what it is.
Convert or die.
The reason Jallah (PBUH) didn't give you the gift of children was because you weren't following Beriah Law correctly. One must never eat of the berry. The berry is reserved for the sacred duty of composting. Jallah (PBUH) demands we follow Berrislamism, and that we behead the disbelievers. Women may not wear fur pants and those who eat of the berry will burn in Hellfire.
Berries back to 60 minute respawn would not be bad. I think they got buffed 7.5 times or so recently.
There was something beautiful about berries in that they'd never benefit you, but they'd benefit your children. The main reason they're being abused at the moment is that they produce the most food per tile, even though corn is more water efficient. Easy fix. Pruning is also a nice suggestion. Maybe a 30 minute wait, but you need to prune?
"A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit."
YAHG wrote:So you killed someone for saying nigger?
THAT'S what you got from this post? Do you think everyone is a racist? Clearly, he killed her because SHE SHOT SOMEONE AND TRIED TO KILL EVERYONE BY WAKING A BEAR. How do you not make those connections? And you're defending someone who was clearly trouble from the beginning, griefers usually throw insults at everyone to make them mad and then they kill them. A normal player wouldn't just say the N word for no reason.
Depends what the goal of the griefer is. If they just want to offend people, then running around saying "nigger" is pretty good, but if they want to genocide the town, then they'll be quiet, pick people off, lie and avoid detection. Beforehand they could just get rid of the food sources, but now that's virtually impossible now that berries are so OP. Context is key, but if someone is randomly just calling people "nigger" then their intentions are probably bad.
You're assuming the pop will grow expnentially, but there is only so many players. If everyone kept all babies that'd mean a lot less babies per mother.
Right. Exponential growth is only really present when people are suiciding for better spawns. Once there are multiple thriving civs, keeping all babies is a non-issue, and is why it's so easy for the past couple weeks. Now that you only need 1-5 berry bushes per person if they're managed abortions don't need to happen. I know Morti's been in civs that have collapsed due to overpopulation, and I bet a lot of the time he's partly responsible. Abortion is a judgement call left up to the parent and their determination whether the civ has a high enough carrying capacity. For the current meta, there's virtually no reason - especially when a single water run brings back 40 water. Just ONE contributor can feed a civ of more than 20 easily.
Fuck off dude, you don't know what you're talking about - you're literally just making shit up at this point. I've NEVER fed a baby that I intended to abort (clarification - if they manage to get food then I will at the least give them a name and ensure you're raised to adulthood, but more likely give them a tour or explain the civ), let alone moved them to the wilderness to starve (sub-optimal strat). If you're a baby and you find optimal temp, say "Q", follow me, or manage to get fed once, I WILL raise you - that shows will to live. I also haven't been murdered without my consent in AT LEAST 50 hours, my children usually reciprocate my love. I have optimised my temp and gone afk multiple times, but never for more than a minute (bio break). So what if I waste a berry or 2 in an hour, LOL! I really doubt you contribute more to the development of civilisations than I do (you find great Eve locations), but you wouldn't believe anything I tell you because you've conceived in your head that I'm the boogey-man.
I want people to go into the game with a more accurate expectation so they aren't immediately jaded when it happens - because it will frequently. None of your sermons will ever convince everyone to stop managing population.
I fully admit I do some shitty things in the game, like killing people who aren't contributing or who make the same mistake multiple times, aborting babies if we're at our carrying capacity (NEVER have I fed a baby that was to be aborted, I want it to be as swift as possible, and usually apologise and explain why), and on occasion insulting people when they mess up. However, I usually contribute more and eat less than 95% of other players, all the while contributing to the RP and social aspect of the game. This game is more than just carrot picking, it's about developing culture and civilisation.
Morti, feel free to insult me, but DO NOT lie about me.
If you've ever been named Elaria or Tiberius, I was your mother - and I hope you had a positive experience. I've also been everyone's son/daughter countless times, and I hope I've made you proud.
tl;dr Morti is a liar seeking a scapegoat for all the problems he perceives with the community. And because I have the third most hours, it must be me.
Edit: You NOT aborting puts a higher pressure on YOUR kids to abort. If everyone kept every child, and no children suicided, then everyone would starve eventually. Your naivety regarding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity is unbelievable. Making the game harder for yourself and your children literally because you're disgusted by abortion in OHOL is baffling. Historically, and in the modern day, people have implemented have practised abortion, and killed babies.
Words from a true BETA.
Thanks, friend!
I'm personally done with the moralfaggotry and sermonising. I don't feel any guilt for how I play the game, nor do I hate, or feel hated by anyone here - I have weapons so I can protect my civs from griefers, which I need to do frequently. You evidently don't know how I play or think, and your presumptuousness is tiring. I have had great lives, and lived in great civs this week, even if you weren't around to provide them for me I haven't aborted anyone in a long time, but will do so if necessary. I'll also continue saying "Q" to help other players, and make it easier for you to abort me, just remember I'll be crying "moooooooom" the entire time.
I'd love to see one of your recordings of you birthing 14 children or so and giving them ALL a quality life (I actually have, but the civ soon died completely from famine, which was nearly entirely my fault). Fortunately, we're all having fewer children now, and are therefore able to give them better lives.
Reckless reproduction DOES NOT advance civilisation - it sends us backwards. You of all people should know that by now.
@Pein, Players use between 4-24 water in a lifetime, average being around 16. A full cistern should last a small family a full hour, longer if they live around a desert.
Apologize to those who will never be born again and I may sincerely forgive you.
I humbly apologise, Lord Morti. I hope you will take me back into your flock.
Your arguments here are lacking logic. Saying who I am, or that I use the forums is not asking for special treatment, nor is it an admission that I murder countless children. I give my children the best possible lives and experiences - sometimes in order to do that, you can't keep every child. I say I'm a Q so people can ask for help, and/or know that they don't need to worry about me (or the fate of the lineage). There's nothing more relieving than having your only girl say "Q". I'll say who I am at the end of a life (or in an argument about meta) so I can identify who I've played with. I've had countless people both here and in the Discord identify themselves to me, and often we'll discuss the lives we just had. We disagree with what this game is about, and how to give the best experiences, but nonetheless we both want what's best for the game and community. I, along with many people, would rather be aborted within 30 seconds of a life, rather be strung along for a life in an overpopulated civ that's collapsing due to irresponsible parents.
Through your actions here on the forum, through your posts, we can see who the guilty parties are. Unless you go back and edit all your posts that are evidence of your transgressions and try to hide outside the community like the murderers you are, you will not be welcomed by me, or others yet to come. You want to abandon children, you want to turn kind and loving people away from the game, I can't stop you. I can only try to reason with you. But it's so hard to even address you, I am so disgusted by your flippant disregard for human life.
Only Sith deal in absolutes.
I'd never dream of demeaning those Irish mothers who were forced by terrible circumstance to kill a child in order to save the whole family. Yes, I also sometimes kill my children, but never with a light heart and only if it's strictly necessary. I can't recall a time where I've ever aborted a child pleading for life - we both know you can't say the same.
I wish I didn't have to say this. And I certainly shouldn't have flipped the switch on you, but, when you say that to me, it says you've done it to others, and perhaps a taste of your own medicine is just what you deserve.
It says I've done WHAT to others? You aborted me for telling you I'm likely to be of greater skill than the average player. Your justification is crap, and I was mostly annoyed that I was too young to explain why. I don't think you had named yourself at the time, so I didn't know who you were. I appreciate when a baby says "Q" because it influences what I need to say to them. I've never aborted a baby for not saying "Q". I typically only abort if there are too many people - from what I've read, you never consider carrying capacity. If a baby doesn't say "Q" I will often ask them for their skill level, and then I will tailor my parenting towards that. I'm one of the better parents in the game - you need to be more discriminate with your anger. Also, I don't care if you can determine the skill level of a baby shortly after they pop out - most people can't (there are tests, like temp and following, but I prefer to chat).
I hope you feel bad about aborting me, because you should. You went on a mostly inapplicable tirade while I just wanted to be loved. Muuuuuum... :'(
Edit: I will sacrifice a newborn if there's a great chance that if I don't, my other kids will die. Every environment has a carrying capacity, and much more teaching happens when people aren't dropping like flies from famine. I value the lives of ALL my children (not just my newest one), and that is why abort. That one persons suffering is likely less than the sum of the suffering of my family.
Some very mean man aborted me for saying "Q" like wtf... Their civilisation ended because they were an old woman. I feel like that anti-q = griefer. Let's be honest, you've gotta be a special kind of mean man to abort a Q baby... I'm going to continue using Q, if you don't want me, that's your loss, not mine.
YAHG, how you got zoom mod, you lovely man.
X means you've been in that location before, don't use it for anything else.
If you're not a smart baby, often you'll just die (not follow etc). but if circumstances permit, even if you're a bad baby, I will show you da wae.
Alleria wrote:Realcooldude wrote:Om so shucked or un shucked corn can not go in baskets. Shuck with sharp stone. Let dry and hit with flint to get seed. Dry corn in bowl and cook i guess didnt get that far.
Was just on a server with dead soil as far as the eye can see lots of corn but no one could eat a thing. No soil left anywhere. Composting could have been done if everyone was not starving. No weat for pie cause no soil. The soil update broke the game. Idk how anyone can survive long term anymore. I made it about 30 min.
That's because you're a pleb. The game is the easiest it's EVER been. You probably used to just farm carrots your whole life, right?
CORN FOR THE CORN GOD! Centiotl is our Lord and Saviour and he is 3x more effective than the berry god. Corn is the first thing you should start farming. Amassing bowls is one of the first jobs of the Eve. Eve's should focus on bowls and the corn farm NOT tools like the previous meta.
@Spockulon "Koipai" is not even remotely funny.
Not sure what a pleb is but apperently you didnt read my update.
I thought "pleb" was common knowledge. It's a more polite way of calling someone a noob. Meta has now changed, corn is only SLIGHTLY superior to berries. I appreciated the RP while it lasted...
Om so shucked or un shucked corn can not go in baskets. Shuck with sharp stone. Let dry and hit with flint to get seed. Dry corn in bowl and cook i guess didnt get that far.
Was just on a server with dead soil as far as the eye can see lots of corn but no one could eat a thing. No soil left anywhere. Composting could have been done if everyone was not starving. No weat for pie cause no soil. The soil update broke the game. Idk how anyone can survive long term anymore. I made it about 30 min.
That's because you're a pleb. The game is the easiest it's EVER been. You probably used to just farm carrots your whole life, right?
CORN FOR THE CORN GOD! Centiotl is our Lord and Saviour and he is 3x more effective than the berry god. Corn is the first thing you should start farming. Amassing bowls is one of the first jobs of the Eve. Eve's should focus on bowls and the corn farm NOT tools like the previous meta.
@Spockulon "Koipai" is not even remotely funny.
As a "pro" (I think you qualify as "pro" too Midget) the new meta is the easiest it's ever been. This is literally the best time in the past 4 months to buy the game - it's as noob friendly as it's ever been. People will teach you, because food is plentiful, and people will tell you all about Centiotl, the Corn God. If you want to hang out with cool people, come into the Discord. A lot of people think we're toxic as fuck, but they don't know what they're talking about.
This is the best time ever to join the game IMO
TrustyWay wrote:Would you be interessted to become a cultist of our mushroom CULT !
No thank you, I am a follower of the Corn Gods
This man gets it. All hail Centeotl! Corn for the corn God, popcorn for the popcorn throne!!!
I think you were my uncle. If we played together, I was your niece who told you the shrooms were south. Shrooms are sacred to those who follow Centeotl. CORN FOR THE CORN GOD! POPCORN FOR THE POPCORN THRONE!!!