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when you build your Newcomen you got to have cisterns, even before, like just empty the wells into 3-4 cisterns and start upgrading, you already need those tires anyway

one in the kitchen can help as well, even one near the Newcomen hammer, or one aside for wild soil and milkweed

when you take over other camps, might happen that a new wells site pops up closer than 160 then a cistern and a single bucket and a bowl can empty it, upgrade to advanced and empty that too, then you can move the cistern stones home , you lose one plaster but still worth for fast empty well, best to take some kid to do it and you just get home the water with buckets

yeah, breaking chisel works on iron mines, so you can use them for cutting stone a bit, since it still has 1 usage when it's crackling, it can be used on the iron mine, but as far as I saw, there is still no reason to use the kerosene for iron, you get water for it and you can collect quite a lot of iron from dead towns

one important thing to mention: iron mines only work for the eves, in some cases there are no muddy veins near your well so you won't get iron, then the first outpost can get iron
but after that, outposts won't get iron, they even dry out the possible locations so you better off taking over small camps with iron or choosing one that wouldn't have any iron anyway

when families die out you can get different wells nearby, the 160 TapouT radius doesn't apply every time

lol, 2nd kiln?

I like when I got a lot of something, like adobe or branches or stone or whatever, gathered or au nature, just be a lot so then I make something impressive

butt generally I will take a horse and go around checking where I am in the world, that helps if I play more lives in the upcoming days

Was a while someone asked for it, kinda a year ago? helps me remind to get the next version of the program also to delete some unneeded sprites and organize it

we figured out that it's better on the mac since it has a search feature, so pdf versions could be searched with it
sadly no such thing on windows, but I set up a group based system where you can search on the subcategory
you can put items in multiple categories like boxes are wood but also containers, there is space for 4x7 on my resolution, so around 28 items without scrolling

limiting the space can work for cleanup, people limit it anyways, by dropping all kinds of shit there, but if there is a fence then they won't go in just to drop stuff, so once you clean it it can stay clean.

Obviously kitchens are filled with shit sometimes, and boxes used for different things like clothes
in my pen design, the box was intended for the meat, they used for wheat, the tables were intended for food and stacks of bowls/plates, they used for clothes and medicals
in a way it made sense, they had no other storage

I had a plan for a half-closed yum station, but some asshole kept dropping me as a kid then using knife and bow to try to kill me, obviously, it didn't work but he was annoying, so I locked him up with 8 branches
there comes a little idiot baby who just born, and she kept telling people that it's a prison
she spends more than 40 years to ruin the place and steal the boards and shafts from there, hiding tools and such

The top one is not the most functional, maybe good as anti-bear shelter, I designed it before the new gates, probably you could put gates on it for aesthetics but very heavy on the board usage and not much space to work inside it

the second one is compact and looks good, also safe from animals if you put the stew on sides, as you see is quite impractical as a prison without th cisterns, 4 exits and shafts are not the best way to kill innocents
probably 1 wider or narrower so it has a centre. maybe wider, put a gate and 2 horse fences to gather stuff or make it look like a triangle or a Y for yum xD

new system is generic af

it removes a good element compared to the old system

I think it's a major flaw, remember your first hours? you are barely able to navigate, most players consider the camp the items on the ground connected to each other, when you learn how to go around your camp, you get interested what lays beyond the horizons.
You hear that the map is huge and other cities are out there, wast riches and more resources.
Except it's not. The map is generic, all the same, nothing really worth much, water and oil is limited, iron is limited, biomes are limited by race.

The 2d perspective gives a good potential for a strategic game, 3d offers more pvp  or pve elements and skill-based combat, visuals, but 2d was always focusing on strategics.
And civilization on a high level is strategy. Just look at the games that started 2d and went for 3d. Ag of empires III was not as popular as the second. The 4th goes back to 2d view since the aoe2 remakes had major popularity and fanbase, they even want to start esports now.
But I can also say that stronghold crusader was way more popular than the new stronghold games, their online game was also 2d, and their new game will go back to the roots. The other game I can mention, it's Desperados. The first attempt of them making the game 3d, was a major fail, their later release has both 2d and 3d, switching between them is good, there are some cases you want to go 3d and win a 1v1 bu still more enjoyable playing it 2d.

There are a lot of 2d games that are popular and for a reason, they are fun to play. Civilization series, endless legend, etc.
They are also called 4x games. 4x stands for 'explore, expand, exploit, and exterminate'.

Explore: going out in the wilderness can reward you for resources. Expand: using the resources you can expand the city. Exploit: after finding resources, you use them up to create more tech, army whatever. Exterminate: when you find other civilizations you fight for the control of the world.

Here is the problem with ohol: removing the element of exploration, means exploiting those resources is not based on skill or decisions.
Exploration is also nerfed since you aren't limited to leave your homeland but you are limited to make a new outpost, you are limited to get more iron, you are limited to find things outside. this, and the removal of engines from wells, made old towns useless, it takes way more resource investment to revive them then to make a new place viable.
Also, the exploitation of resources is not your choice, the eves leave behind some iron and you can gather it, if they die out early it means others can take over their outpost, but this is like rewarding someone else for others bad choices. Back before, we could make a new outpost and have resources and was our choice, our reward, as a multiplayer game, kinda fails on the promise of having choices that matter. Because a lot of things are not a choice and not something you could change. Meme score is random, leadership is kinda random, people die and around 50-55 you might become a leader if no one is manipulating that artificially, but right now no one is using it even.

Jason said multiple times that he doesn't want to be similar to other games (while adding dung bucket just like don't starve). But now I'm talking about a genre not a game. At least it had the possibility to be a 4x game, now the choices he made removed that. Lot of us knew the game is good, has a lot of potentials, but the changes remove more and more potential and it became a generic grid-based water system, a generic grid-based oil, generic grid and city-based iron system. And I don't like to be affected by others choices and still forced to help them.

When you were able to move 40 tiles and make a new town, you could make something nice there and leave others behind who were wasting resources and made a bad logistic system. It's also very unnatural and unrealistic, that you go further in the world but others affect your ability to find iron or water.

It's basically another thing Jason did to enforce his vision of slow-paced boring drama making intention-based playstyle and nerf veterans, nerf certain playstyles.

You got to put up the question, why do even have an unlimited map when we sit in a 100x100 box, people don't really go out of that, you can die and get elsewhere so travel doesn't really matter, but we got no tech to have faster travel to others or cartography or at least a minimap.
Realistically you won't make roads long enough to matter. And even if you do is not something that worth the effort. you need 2-3 hours to connect up 600 tiles, cities can die, the server can be reset.

So the overall problem is that choices don't matter and there are no goals, no renewable resources, no higher-tech. All we ge is nerfs and enforced gameplay of a slow and generic city building.

everyone won't yum, and the ones who do will take from rest
one turkey won't give 2-3 yum for everyone

I don't actually, I don't even farm most lives, I let others do that, realistically you can get skewers and not use a hoe, even so you can use up your "portion" of water and soil

you still need pies for portable food

I really think gathering pays off better than making several yum foods for myself only, wasting the tool slots

if I collect stuff that can be cooked by others I get more overall efficiency
same for pigs or sheep, I can collect all the things they need to process it and I'm better off not using tool slots on it

I still think goose, carnitas, pop corn and eggs are good when not yumming, realistically you hit a wall around 15 yum, and you got to be creative with it
3-5 wild foods might help

egg bb stack

yeah it can have 6 more by walling more to right, also it needs a box to pass trough bones to the top

but possibly could be above too then the berries there and wheat on the south side. then right could be a clothing room

I guess the oven could be more to the left, then the wheat could fit

if you always kill naked then its fine

you don't want to give them water, you feed 3 corn, since the time between feeding and milk is same, you get a few seconds on each bucket so it doesn't matter, the gate could be either side just bit asymmetric

the oven wasn't really a point in this since people make ovens early, so this is more like a secondary spot for hot coal-based food, so the sheep really just there for some compost

if anything, you could put oven next to gate and cook some raw mutton for yum

property gates can be chopped down maybe that could be used to make temporary and keep space for final walls

okay, here the berries go from top, wheat from the bottom, shifted the side so the kitchen has access to it

the problematic part is to put the walls sideways, plaster and attach the box on it, before adding the rest of adobe walls, the gate has to be near it to be usable, boxes would block it

all the animals can fit together until extended, the cow pen is easy to make alone in 10 min
NS gates probably easier to make as fence boxes
no much reason to wall up for farms other than the look of it, maybe bear defence
not much reason to access goose from pork pen or sheep pen so boxes between might be better, then the gates can  be built later on
I guess the corners could be stone, then later can be connected with real fences in between, that way only 9+11 stone needs shittons of shafts tho
if the kitchen and the cow pen is done, the south side can be fence or fence box, half of west side covered with the kitchen so 3x6 or 5x6 prop fence sheep pen inside and 3 prop gates would do, the building corners would mark the extension places
the cisterns also important if you don't include a well, I wouldn't put the well inside, with Newcomen stage, already messed up, no need to farm near it

cars use kerosene while horses got no upkeep (jason sees this, nerfs horses)

also cars need kerosene slot, or you stuck somewhere and can't come back so essentially 3 slots remaining while horses with upgraded tire can hold 8 big items, that's 9 vs 24 if you use baskets

the amount of work a car needs, we would really need massive encumbrance, by the tire logic, it should be 4x as normal carts, so 16 big, 48 small
loading it would take 10 minutes for some xD

the main issue is that you don't use the horse from fence to fence, as jason thinks or won't worth making a fence when you just take resources from that spot

cars are way worse cause you can't time the engine, you can't stop it so it runs even if it's not moving

either it should be a distance-based usage and stop while not used or time-based but with the ability to stop it, that 2 minutes is still very bad for the cost of kerosene, should be way higher, if you burn the equivalent of 40 bowls of water you would expect that it should move a ton of resources, but thi design is so bad thinking about high distance, even if you go 3x faster, you would need that for like 4-6 minutes for 2000ish distance (100 tile on foot, 300 on horse, 900 on car), sure, it's 2k if you know the way but maybe you find something or you don't know exactt location

for carts, would need more load as well, at some point he promised that big rocks would go on it, even then you should be able to stop at any location (or any location with a lever) and then maybe auto load and unload items at the end of the track

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