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Isn't this just graphing the descent from steam release? What were the numbers like pre-steam?

Yes, adding marriage wouldn't be the first social construct added to the game.

Naming is something where, I understand the choice of just giving the last name of your mom, but more naming convention would be really nice... playing as Thor Odinson with my father named Odin would be really awesome for example. Having the option to have your surname displayed before your first name would be nice too. So would middle names. Maybe even middle names based on your parents names. Names based on what job you want to do. I would be all for increasing the number of choices we have.

As for clothing, the fancy clothing update did make me think... what..? really..? okay...
It is definitely very rooted in western culture, and I do think more neutral clothing like what was done with rabbit/seal fur would have been nicer. However, I was not around at the time to share my opinion on it.

There are a lot of cultural choices Jason has already made for the game
-only one way to make fire
-only some animals can be eaten
-tomb stones
-clothing
-naming conventions
-which foods/recipes exist (I think all foods should be able to be eaten, whether they're complete or not)
-land ownership via fences

The only ones that really directly change how you directly interact with others are curses, language, warsword, fences, surnames, and marriage would be an addition to this group.

Curses give you an incentive to be nice to those who can curse you, or will be able to curse you in the future that we don't have in real life. I feel like this is okay, because in ohol it is much more difficult for you to apply social pressure due to the limited amount of time and lack of consequences, where there would be some in real life.

I am a huge fan of how Jason did languages. I just wish instead of making it impossible for adult to learn he had just made it much more difficult. It feels very natural for the most part and not really a social construct... if anything, it prevents us from abusing our meta-knowledge of our near-universal language(english) that our characters would not have in game.

Warsword I agree it is strange to think that it can only affect non family members. Like, I can use this on someone I grew up with even if their family has grown up in the same town as mine for generations, but if I go to fight the neighboring village whom I have never met, I find myself unable to fight them because they're a group who branched off from my family a few hundred years ago. I think the way it is now, I would be fine if it worked on everyone.

Fences, to be fair do have measures put in place to allow people the opportunity to prevent land from being claimed. I will agree that if property fences are super cheap/basically free they should be easily able to be broken down. I would favor a system requiring property fences needing to become a reinforced fence by using materials on it, and regular property fences being easier to tear down.

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I mostly agree with the system that lychee proposes, however I still like a lovers system better because it would give more freedom and because of the drama it could create. I was recently stabbed due to some light rp, I pretended to be the father of some woman's kid and another woman pretended I was her kid's father. The first woman was outraged. I went along with it, and got stabbed for my infidelity.

Monogamy is not natural, plain and simple. How do I know? Because you would be hard pressed to name animals that are, and of the ones that are.. most of them cheat(including humans, quite a lot actually...kinda scary). I think a lovers system would be more natural and allow players their own choice on how to approach it. It would allow for many different social dynamics to form(and drama).

For example, in some towns maybe only one man is married to all the women, and he only allows his daughters to be married off to his closest friend?

Maybe you enter a matriarchal town, and only the elite women are allowed to have male lovers, because their line is the most important.

Maybe you enter a town where polygamy is frowned upon, most people have only one lover and those who have more are looked down upon.

Maybe you are lovers with someone whom you refer to as your wife, and she has a baby, but it doesn't look like you..? Oh, she secretly had another lover.

Maybe there's only one female left, and having her have 5 male lovers will boost her fertility much more significantly than just 1?

Also, with high mortality it makes sense to remarry. I think it was in ancient Hebrew culture that, after a man died, his brother would marry his wife. Their next child was considered that of the man who passed away. -This sort of culture wouldn't be able to form if you limited people to one spouse/lover because the living brother might already be married.

For curiosity, I did a quick google search, because I heard that the % of cousin marriages are high... as much as 20% of marriages are between first cousins. So, even the choice to restrict marriage to cousins who are far removed and another family could be considered a cultural choice for the game as well. Up to 20% of married people might feel alienated because of the choice to restrict it. From an article "having a child with your first cousin raises the risk of a significant birth defect from about 3-to-4 percent to about 4-to-7 percent"..not much. I also found that, after some research couples are most fertile with 3rd/4th cousins. We humans are more related to each other than we think. The last common ancestor we share is from probably central Asia about 600-700 years ago(around mongol time)... or 10-12hrs in game.

If it becomes common for every player to marry and have kids, and close cousins are barred from marriage, you would quickly become reliant on eves bringing in fresh blood OR taking a break for a few generations for 'sky-daddy' to make the population less related.

With towns only having a population of a few dozen at most rather than hundreds or thousands, even if you were careful with who married who, everyone would be closely related after only a few generations.

I may have been there with you. We were fenced in a nice little area, and both eves ended up having a daughter who we raised. I was the one who re-setup the gates on the west and north, and spent a good amount of time trying to give everyone permission.

but muh bi-hourly bowl of water...

How about having a way to 'auto-attack' with the sword? as soon as the game detects you are on an adjacent tile to a non family member, the sword activates, the game checks to see if the other player is armed.

If both players are armed with a sword/knife, they both drop their weapons OR enter a state of being unable to attack, like after you murder with sword.

This would allow two armed players from family B to chase down killer from family A. As soon as one of the people from family B gets adjacent to A, the sword activates and they enter a state of combat cool down. Now the second member from family B needs to get close before the cool-down goes away in order to kill player A.

Yeah I was alive when this happened. I could understand the waters family as well. Some random woman (I think her name was Alyssa) wanted to start a race war and was instigating.  I would have cursed her if I had been old enough

I agree, though I do not think it should be as short as banana peel or leaves. I was thinking maybe 30-45 minutes?

45 minutes because that would mean the bones would still be there for the whole life of the mother if she wants to grieve her child. There are cases where babies get killed by something else.(I've gotten stabbed as a baby)

Maybe only do this for /die babies, so if you /die it leaves behind a different type than if you die naturally? Or if the baby dies under the age of 1/2?

This is true if you only do two cyphers, one for consonants and one for vowels. I propose 4 groups.

Hard consonants(B,C,D,F,G,J,K,P,Q,S,T,V,X,Z) also treat CH,PH,SH,TH, NG as individual letters

vowels(A,E,I,O,U, and dipthongs using two of these)

nasals(N,M,NG)

and liquids/semivowels/approximates (L,R,W,Y).

So for FRIEND, using the 3 groups instead of 2, you still get a lot of variations. Using the 4 groups does not allow 'VGOBI' because R can only be replaced with W,Y, or L. VLOBI, VWOBI, and VYOBI are all possible to pronounce.

But then, you don't want I and D linked since they are from different groups ( vowel and consonant) so lets replace I with say....F.

VLOBF is not pronouncable... this is because N, a nasal, was replaced with B. Instead replace N with either NG or M.

So FRIEND could become something like VLOMF, or VYONGF... both take me roughly the same time to pronounce as FRIEND

Granted, it is weird because we do not have words with these clusters(vlog is only VL I can think of, no VW, VY reserved to end of words)

The hardest to pronounce would be words starting with NG followed by another consonant, since this nasal sound is not used at the start of words in english.

so worst case scenario FRIEND becomes something like NGYIGK... which is why I also think nasals should have their own group.

If nasals M, N, and NG can only be replaced with each other, the worst combo I can think of would be FRIEND becomes XWINGQ, which would be understanbly hard to pronounce(Probably something like zwingkw or zwingk)

But yeah I do agree a single letter cypher with only two groups for vowels and consonants would be bad.

I am not sure what you would do with H because it serves a pretty unique role. H sounds comes after a voiceless consonant in english if it is the first letter in the word (For example we pronounce FRIEND as FHREND. Don't believe me? put your hand in front of your mouth, say an F,P,T,TH,CH,or K word and look for the puff of air)

So, if you treat H as a regular consonant it would really mess with the flow of words I feel. I would say only change H when it is part of CH, SH, TH, or PH.

I would think the best way would probably be to group H with LRWY.  FRIEND might becomes something strange like VHANGTH, but it is still much better than VGOBI in my opinion.

so for H prioritize the diagraphs CH,SH,TH,PH. If it is not preceded by any of those four switch it with L,R,W, or Y.

as for clusters with more than 2 letters, I think they can be ignored. Like your example in NIGHTSHIFT, -> N I G H T SH I F T. The only cluster we would really care about is SH.

TL:DR I absolutely agree a single letter cypher will be bad if you only use 2 groups(consonants and vowels). I recommend  using the 4 groups

Nasals(M,N,NG)

Approximates(H,L,R,W,Y)

Consonants(B,C,CH,D,F,G,J,K,P,PH,Q,S,T,TH,V,X,Z)

Vowels(A,E,I,O,U and some vowel dipthongs like AI, IE, OO, EE)

Each sound could only be replaced by a member of it's group. FRIEND would always be structured as:
consonant, approximate, vowel, nasal, consonant

With this system you will only get unpronounceable clusters like VG in places like  kePT becoming for example ZIVG...

vg is only 'unpronounacable' (personally as a linguistics major I do not have trouble pronouncing it...make FK glide sound without vowel and vibrate throat) to us because english does not have the cluster

Personally I do not think this is a big deal as english has had plenty of tough consonant clusters that foreigners learning english insert vowels in between. For example.. knife being pronounced as written. We would now consider 'kn' unpronounceable.

Many languages have consonant clusters that are difficult for english speakers to pronounce. For example GVALT “row” in Russian. English learners will be tempted to insert 'uh' or 'ih' short vowels, and pronounce it like GIHVALT or GUHVALT. But the correct way to pronounce it is simple to make the G sound like you're going to say a word starting with G, then immediately change your mind and say VALT. hint:if you say GVALT with two syllables, you're saying it wrong.

other fun examples from Russian:

pfénink
shvyétskiy
tsvyetók
mgnovyénniy