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I actually kind of liked your post, the questions you ask can be interesting and might be worth talking about.

Bob 101 wrote:

What's the point of protecting if towns die on there own?

Oh boy. Really now?
Well.. What's the point of playing the game at all if towns inevitably die anyways?
What's the point of living if everybody dies? Wait, don't tell me you're a serial killer in real life too and justify your murders by calling yourself an "agent of chaos".
Now where have I seen this before..

I know you're part of the "I kill big towns to help small Eve towns" bandwagon.

Bob 101 wrote:

Killing old towns redirects babies to greener pastures.

If that's your point for griefing, then I turn the same question to you.
Knowing Eve towns will inevitably die, why do you bother trying to help them in the first place by killing other towns?
Do you get what the problem is with this question?
Then, perhaps you might shift the argument into "well, if it's ultimately pointless, it's just to spice things up, you know".
Or you might rationalize it into "well there will always be griefers anyways, might as well join in on the fun" (as you have done in the past).
Too often do I see griefers try to sell me griefing as part of the game.
They say it's inevitable. And then get surprised when it turns out people dislike them.

This goes back to the problem of "what's the point"?
What's the point of playing if there are griefers in the game?
The piece that you're missing in order to see the bigger picture is exactly this.
"What's the point?" Having such a nihilistic view of things is not healthy nor is it useful.
The real answer is "there is no point". It's "the point is whatever you make it out to be".
It's what you want it to be.
And that's why people dislike griefers.

I recently saw someone actually make this point properly.
It was something along the lines of "I have no problem in playing the game knowing full well no towns last forever but playing the game while actively worrying about griefers is just not fun".
Yes. People KNOW everything they do will inevitably be useless and fall to dust.
But despite this fact, people live their lives. They make up their own goals. Maybe it's building/advancing technology. Maybe it's making sure your lineage survives in the present.
And griefers come and spit in their faces while trying to dictate to them what they should be doing and how they should enjoy playing this game.
They try to impose their nihilistic views on you. They want nothing to matter.
That's why we dislike griefers.

Bob 101 wrote:

Do you ever get tired of farming?

Absolutely. It is pretty much the most boring part of this game and sadly a big necessity.
Farming is the most repetitive activity out of all things. It is in DESPERATE NEED of variation in my opinion.
I'd say I farm in only about 1/8th of my lives.
I'm the builder type. I enjoy much more building things and progressing in technology.
Doing this makes the game that much more enjoyable to me as it's much more varied.
Towns don't need the exact same thing over and over again and everytime like they do for watering the berries or replanting the carrots...

I wonder if you have personally tried to build something complex like an engine or a radio. Or an oil rig.
You seem like an experienced player but even some veterans on here continuously admit how they've never tried x and y so you never know.
If you haven't I definitely recommend it.

Bob 101 wrote:

Have you ever been tempted by the darkside even if just for a moment?

Yes. When people try to argue that I should be forced to play out lives I don't want to play.
It's usually an argument made against the /die command along the lines of "it hurts the Eve towns too much".
If I wasn't interested in helping your camp in the first place, forcing me to stay in it will do you no good.
If people who argue for such a thing ever get their way, then I will happily grief their precious Eve camps.
I mean, I'm literally being forced to play against my will here, the only non-boring thing left to do would be to start killing to protest.
I might as well take the town down with me to ensure I don't run into the same issue again.

You yourself argue that you started griefing because the game became stale for you.
Well, imagine if you were forced to play out every single lives. How boring.

Bob 101 wrote:

What's your opinion on griefers who are helpful in some lives?

There are two ways to interpret your question.
One is what I think about your playstyle specifically.
This would be because most griefers (you included) state that they don't grief every single lives and don't dedicate every single lives to griefing.
I don't really have an opinion on such a thing. I don't really get why griefers keep stating this over and over again.
It's almost like you want validation in some way.
It's not because you play nice in some lives that all of the sudden it's okay to grief in others in my book. This doesn't change people's opinion at all.
It doesn't change anything. It doesn't somehow "repair" the damage you've done in previous lives. It doesn't "absolve" you in any way.

The other interpretation I have of this is people who do nice things in a life but then later decide to grief in that same life.
The same logic applies here too.
It's not because you made a bunch of compost or made a bunch of pies which I even might have eaten that all of the sudden it's okay for you to murder that one guy who seemed a bit rude to you.
Yeah, no. Still griefing.
You're not entitled to anything. Doing a service doesn't grant you special powers.
Not in my opinion anyways.

Bob 101 wrote:

Do you consider suiciding to be a form of griefing as it can kill towns?

No. No offence but I consider this a dumb question.
If I wasn't going to play in a certain town in the first place, do you really think forcing me to stay would change ANYTHING?
That would be perfectly pointless. I intended to not play in that town in the first place, why should I force myself to stay alive if I'm not even going to do anything there anyways?

As a counter-argument, you might say that people using /die has side-effects/consequences.
Such as not resetting the mother's cooldown.
Of course I don't condone people who purposefully do that.
I always make sure to wait for my mom to pick me up when I decide to try my luck elsewhere so that she may have another baby.
At times you don't have a choice however, if my mom doesn't want to pick me up at all or is running away from me, I'm left with no other choice.

Another counter-argument might be that as the only young female in your lineage I should stay to make sure your lineage survives.
But that's another discussion altogether.
If I'm born as your only surviving daughter and I decide I don't want to play in this town and you want me to stay despite that, then you're basically expecting me to stand there and be your baby tool while I do nothing and bore myself to death.
You're actually the one being selfish there. You're asking me to comply to your demands despite what I might feel about them.
If your reply to that is that it's me who's being selfish then we get into another kind of problem.
Saying I'm the one who's selfish in this case implies it's my fault, my bad if your lineage dies.
Which it clearly is not. And it's not because:
The sex is determined at birth, based completely on random chance, with a 50/50 chance at either sex.
As such it is impartial. It is not my fault if I'm born as your last surviving daughter.
It's no one's fault. I don't get to decide my sex. No one does.
This is why people hate being called Hope so much. It's fundamentally a burden.
You're trying to force a burden on someone who has nothing to do with what's happening to you and your lineage.
And you expect them to carry this burden for their entire lives.
It's not my fault! What if I was born as a boy instead? Would you have been okay with me dying? That's not fair!

My questions:
Do you people use AWBZ's mod?
Why do you kill camps/towns/cities when the game kills them by itself already, and people can /die out of there if they hate the place (and thus end it in time)?
Do you have empathy towards online people you kill (do you view them as actual people)?
Out of 10 lives, how many would be a griefing life for you?
Do you care if your fun ruins other peoples' fun?
Is the rush what keeps the action worth it, or some justification you have, or both? (To me, personally, there is 0 worth. I rather hone my skills in art or play something else than ever put time to griefing.)

What makes me a non-griefer is that I do not feel any rush over the action of griefing and hindering fellow players' gaming experience. I'd feel bad for people, for getting them frustrated/sad/angry or waste time on chasing me. Many put time and effort into creating things to make life easier for the next generation, who could maybe eventually get to try out radios, cars, planes, diesel pumps, bells or signs, but cities are aggro'ed out of existence by griefers who justify their deeds as good or useful?
Why can't the city die by /die and leavers rather than damaging it to death?

last few times people used pads to heal the griefers who lost proper duels
like both of us has weapon and i stab first then i get stabbed in return

i think healing is good right now, even too op