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I still don't understand why all this effort around low vs high pip foods.
Popcorn at 15x YUM > Anything at no YUM
Every food is viable and should be made for YUM.
Eat a slice of rabbit berry pie at 14 YUM and two pips left and tell me it's not the greatest thing ever. Probably go the rest of your life without eating.
True, ran the numbers:
In terms of soil+water+till cost per pip,
milk >> mutton pie, stew > bread, popcorn, berry, berry in bowl, other pies, > carrot, raw corn, green beans,
My low-effort yum chain without leaving town usually ends at 5. Is it still worth it?
Yumming: berry, Berry in bowl, mutton pie, stew, Bread, popcorn = 0.0205288461538462 total resources per pip
NoYum: mutton pies = 0.031031746031746 total resources per pip
NoYum: whole milk = 0.00535714285714286 total resources per pip
Adding any more foods, only strengthens the yum-chain's advantage, though even 20 Yum can't beat milk.
Though if you deliberately Yummed off of the worst foods, excluding the potato, you'd have to achieve a yum of ~15 to start competing with pies.
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If anyone wants the mess that gave my results (also see my previous spreadsheet dump post here):
Basically, I got total soil+water+till cost per bite / food per bite,
for yum, I took the total cost of a list of different food bites, then added the total yum bonus from that entire chain.
combo # total yum bonus Food: food in the bite soil cost water cost Tilling cost sum cost per food combo # total yum bonus Food: food in the bite soil cost water cost Tilling cost sum cost per food combo # total yum bonus Food: food in the bite soil cost water cost Tilling cost sum cost per food
0 0 Onion 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 berry 5 0.142857142857143 0.142857142857143 0 0.0571428571428572 0 0 berry 5 0.142857142857143 0.142857142857143 0 0.0571428571428572
1 1 Burdock 9 0 0 0 0 1 1 wh. Milk 14 0.025 0.025 0.025 0.00535714285714286 1 1 Berry in bowl 5 0.142857142857143 0.142857142857143 0 0.0571428571428572
2 3 wild carrot 7 0 0 0 0 2 3 Berry in bowl 5 0.142857142857143 0.142857142857143 0 0.0571428571428572 2 3 mutton pie 15 0.195238095238095 0.193154761904762 0.0770833333333331 0.031031746031746
3 6 Banana 9 0 0 0 0 3 6 Mango 9 0.1875 0.625 0 0.0902777777777778 3 6 stew 14 0.153125 0.215625 0.153125 0.0372767857142857
4 10 Cactus fruit 10 0 0 0 0 4 10 mutton pie 15 0.195238095238095 0.193154761904762 0.0770833333333331 0.031031746031746 4 10 Bread 8 0.25 0.25 0.125 0.078125
5 15 berry 5 0 0 0 0 5 15 stew 14 0.153125 0.215625 0.153125 0.0372767857142857 5 15 popcorn 3 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625
6 21 Omelette 19 0 0 0 0 6 21 Bread 8 0.25 0.25 0.125 0.078125 6 21
7 28 Turkey 19 0 0 0 0 7 28 popcorn 3 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 7 28
8 36 wh. Milk 14 0.025 0.025 0.025 0.00535714285714286 8 36 carrot 7 0.266666666666667 0.233333333333333 0.233333333333333 0.104761904761905 8 36
9 45 mutton pie 15 0.195238095238095 0.193154761904762 0.0770833333333331 0.031031746031746 9 45 Corn 5 0.25 0.25 0.25 0.15 9 45
10 55 Mango 9 0.1875 0.625 0 0.0902777777777778 10 55 green bean 4 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.15 10 55
11 66 Carrot-rabbit pie 18 0.191666666666667 0.183333333333333 0.120833333333333 0.0275462962962963 11 66 11 66
12 78 berry-rabbit pie 18 0.339285714285714 0.339285714285714 0.0625 0.0411706349206349 12 78 12 78
13 91 Berry in bowl 5 0.142857142857143 0.142857142857143 0 0.0571428571428572 13 91 13 91
14 105 stew 14 0.153125 0.215625 0.153125 0.0372767857142857 14 105 14 105
15 120 Bread 8 0.25 0.25 0.125 0.078125 15 120 15 120
16 121 popcorn 3 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 16 121 16 121
17 138 carrot 7 0.266666666666667 0.233333333333333 0.233333333333333 0.104761904761905 17 138 17 138
18 156 Corn 5 0.25 0.25 0.25 0.15 18 156 18 156
19 175 green bean 4 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.15 19 175 19 175
total food+bonus: total food+bonus: total food+bonus:
379 1.128125 1.628125 0.878125 0.00958937994722955 144 1.128125 1.628125 0.815625 0.0248046875 65 0.465625 0.528125 0.340625 0.0205288461538462
wild foods then mutton pies: Repeating at #2: only mutton pies:
383 3.14880952380952 3.11547619047619 1.25833333333333 0.0196413029963944 142 3.45357142857143 3.45357142857143 0.025 0.048817907444668 60 0.78095238095238 0.772619047619048 0.308333333333332 0.031031746031746
only whole milk:
378 0.675 0.675 0.675 0.00535714285714286
combo # total yum bonus
soil cost per bite water cost per bite tilling cost per bite sum cost per pip Pips per bite total bites per resources Number of bites per food item #food items from resources Soil water till Axe Shovel 0 0 Green bean bowl 4 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.15
0.142857142857143 0.142857142857143 0 0.0571428571428571 Berry 5 7 1 7 1 1 1 1 D. Corn 5 0.25 0.25 0.25 0.15
0.1875 0.625 0 0.0902777777777778 Mango 9 16 2 8 3 10 2 3 Carrot 7 0.266666666666667 0.233333333333333 0.233333333333333 0.104761904761905
0.25 0.25 0.25 0.15 D. Corn 5 4 1 4 1 1 1 3 6 bean burrito stack 19 0.7 0.866666666666667 0.45 0.106140350877193
0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 Popcorn 3 16 4 4 1 1 1 4 10 Mango 9 0.1875 0.625 0 0.0902777777777778
0.25 0.25 0.25 0.0394736842105263 D. Omelette 19 4 1 4 1 1 1 5 15 Bread or dough 8 0.25 0.25 0.125 0.078125
0.125 0.125 0.125 0.0375 D. Goose 10 8 2 4 1 1 1 6 21 carrot pie 7 0.191666666666667 0.183333333333333 0.120833333333333 0.0708333333333333
0.025 0.025 0.025 0.00535714285714286 Wh. Milk 14 40 10 4 1 1 1 7 28 Krout 6 0.133333333333333 0.133333333333333 0.133333333333333 0.0666666666666667
0.153125 0.215625 0.153125 0.0423788265306122 Stew 14 16 16 1 2.45 3.45 2.45 1 8 36 Popcorn 3 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625
0.133333333333333 0.133333333333333 0.133333333333333 0.0666666666666667 Krout 6 30 10 3 4 4 4 9 45 Berry Pie 12 0.339285714285714 0.339285714285714 0.0625 0.0617559523809524
0.266666666666667 0.233333333333333 0.233333333333333 0.104761904761905 Carrot 7 30 1 30 8 7 7 10 55 Berry 5 0.142857142857143 0.142857142857143 0 0.0571428571428571
0.2 0.2 0.2 0.15 Green bean bowl 4 30 6 5 6 6 6 11 66 Mutton 12 0.28095238095238 0.272619047619047 0.0583333333333333 0.0509920634920634
0.25 0.125 0.125 0.291666666666667 Potato 6 8 2 4 2 1 1 10 12 78 berry carrot pie 15 0.312202380952381 0.303869047619047 0.120833333333333 0.0491269841269841
0.28095238095238 0.272619047619047 0.0583333333333333 0.0509920634920634 Mutton 12 4 1 4 1.12380952380952 1.09047619047619 0.233333333333333 13 91 Stew 14 0.153125 0.215625 0.153125 0.0423788265306122
14 105 D. Omelette 19 0.25 0.25 0.25 0.0394736842105263
0.191666666666667 0.183333333333333 0.120833333333333 0.0708333333333333 carrot pie 7 16 4 4 3.06666666666667 2.93333333333333 1.93333333333333 15 120 D. Goose 10 0.125 0.125 0.125 0.0375
0.312202380952381 0.303869047619047 0.120833333333333 0.0491269841269841 berry carrot pie 15 16 4 4 4.9952380952381 4.86190476190476 1.93333333333333 16 121 Mutton Pie 15 0.195238095238095 0.193154761904762 0.0770833333333331 0.031031746031746
0.339285714285714 0.339285714285714 0.0625 0.0617559523809524 Berry Pie 12 16 4 4 5.42857142857143 5.42857142857143 1 17 138 Wh. Milk 14 0.025 0.025 0.025 0.00535714285714286
0.25 0.25 0.125 0.078125 Bread or dough 8 8 8 1 2 2 1 18 156
0.195238095238095 0.193154761904762 0.0770833333333331 0.031031746031746 Mutton Pie 15 16 4 4 3.12380952380952 3.09047619047619 1.23333333333333 19 175
0.7 0.866666666666667 0.45 0.106140350877193 bean burrito stack 19 6 6 1 4.2 5.2 2.7 total food+bonus, stopping at #10:
140 2.48407738095238 2.003125 1.703125 0.0442166241496599Last edited by betame (2019-01-20 06:13:18)
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In terms of soil+water+till cost per pip,
milk >> mutton pie, stew > bread, popcorn, berry, berry in bowl, other pies, > carrot, raw corn, green beans,My low-effort yum chain without leaving town usually ends at 5. Is it still worth it?
Yumming: berry, Berry in bowl, mutton pie, stew, Bread, popcorn = 0.0205288461538462 total resources per pip
NoYum: mutton pies = 0.031031746031746 total resources per pip
NoYum: whole milk = 0.00535714285714286 total resources per pipAdding any more foods, only strengthens the yum-chain's advantage, though even 20 Yum can't beat milk.
Love the resources per pip breakdown.
Most towns are desert and it's very easy to work a cactus fruit, banana usually close, egg, rabbit cooked. All of these are free or byproduct!
If you want to calculate whats most efficient you can't even begin without considering YUM. It's too important.
Let's not even being discussing the fertility advantage of high YUM. I'll trade 1,000,000 PIP for a baby girl at the right time.
Last edited by Gederian (2019-01-20 01:10:46)
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I must admit, I'm clueless when it comes to yum. How does it even work?
The explaination on the wiki is not very enlightening.
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how did you run these results, betame? did you consider every bite of those foods was also gonna have yum bonuses?
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how did you run these results, betame? did you consider every bite of those foods was also gonna have yum bonuses?
appended my previous post
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Though if you deliberately Yummed off of the worst foods, excluding the potato, you'd have to achieve a yum of ~15 to start competing with pies.
That's a single berry or carrot competing with a pie and you gained huge benefits on YUM 14, 13, 12, etc. too.
Also YUM is not wasted so if you have three empty PIPS and eat a berry the bonus will still be there but not shown.
Love the spread sheet, helps explain how YUM works!
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