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I agree, it's a little selfish, but that's what the /die command has always been about, so a player can decide if they want to live there or not or go do things the way they want to do so. The /die command never took into consideration the feelings and desires of the player who controls the mother, it's all about the feelings and desires of the baby

Sadly the alternative was that if you could only /die in the first 10 seconds or something like that, if I didn't wanted to play in a town I see want to play because it's being griefed, what option would I have? I would have to run away from the mother and try to starve or kill myself in the wilds, and the mother would probably waste even more time trying to chase to try to catch and save the baby.

This is why although i dislike /die and never would kill myself even without it, I understand and accept why it exists.

As a person who dislikes the /die command, I actually understand this... it's not just about choosing if you want to be born male/female or black/brown/white/ginger... the /die command is the right for a player to say "I don't want to play in this family/village" so they don't just go running off and killing themselves or having to restart the game to live a life they may enjoy.

This may take 2 minutes for a player to reach that decision, maybe the mother was out of town and they wanted to check if it was a small eve village or big developed town, or maybe the player decides to /die because he sees drama happening around or people griefing and he doesn't want to live with that, maybe the player wants to see if the mom or players around are "nice" in order to decide if he/she will stick around or not.

So as much as I always sad when a baby dies in my arms since I like to care for my family, I can't force the player to play with me or to live where I'm living, thus it doesn't bother me that much if it only happens one or maybe twice in a lifetime, but when the number of SID babies gets excessive that's when it is starting to be an annoyance, specially if it's just that ONE player trying to choose the exact conditions of their birth and coming back to my arms over and over until they get it right, the new update intends to help deal with that.

TL;DR:
Personally I understand why a player should have 1-2 minutes to look around and decide if they want to /die or not. What I still don't understand is why SID bones take 2 minutes to decay and just get in the way, for all intents and purposes they were never born, so what purpose does that 2m decay time serve? :-)

Just wanted to add... if this solves many problems on "main server"(BigServer2) BUT creates problems on smaller servers, maybe it could just be applied to the main one, or this new rule only be applied if there are at least X players online on that server at that time? (like enough for the 4 families for example)

I've been debating this very topic a few times already in the past HERE and HERE

So I, for one, am happy with the recent change in the new update! Hopefully it will be the end of people abusing this mechanic. We'll see how it goes.

Hello! Just came to say that baby cooldown doesn't seem to be fixed, i had like six or seven kids in this life some of them "in a row" in a period less than one minute, one baby is born, i pick it up to name it, and before i have time to type "you are..." another one shows up, i love having kids and it's nice to have a big family, but again, it's overwhelming when you have so many and specially if you don't have a minute to breathe between each one.

Once again i keep asking for a better baby cooldown and maybe a baby limit (that you CAN increase by eating cravings for example if you want more babies).

Also tried the horse carts, they keep escaping and being extremely annoying, every time i go to get cut trees to grab logs or dig and cut stones for walls, the horse runs away and i spend more time chasing it than doing any productive work.

example:
Dismount horse
Grab shovel from cart
Use shovel on big rock to dig it up
Place shovel back in cart
Grab chisel
Use chisel in stone
Use mallet to cut it in half
Drop mallet
Grab chisel from cut stone
Place chisel in stone again
Hit it with mallet to make stones for walls
... horse fled already before I got a SINGLE stone into the cart, i need to keep mounting/dismounting the horse every 3 or 4 steps just to make sure this doesn't keep happening.  Same thing with getting logs, after chopping a tree, you still need to remove the 2 wood to reach the log, i can't even put two logs on the cart without it running away.

Horses should run away if neglected and forgotten for a long time, but 11 seconds is still way too short, it takes a lot of steps and work to get a horsecart, so let's us use it without it being a major annoyance please, i believe that even if the "timer" was 1 or 2 minutes it would probably be too short, but at least we could work with it.
Either that or give us some alternative, like using a lasso to bind a horse to any nearby tree, we can't bring "roped fences" with us to prevent them from escaping while we're working...

Yes please. Freedom of Speech doesn't give people the right to be toxic or hurtful.
Would be nice to play a game where people care and respect each other.
To be honest OHOL is the #1 game in my opinion for that, hence why i love it so much, but there's always room for improvement. :-)

It would be wonderful to have a "Player Code of Conduct" like Palia does, but sadly I don't think Jason will ever enforce that.

I've also reported several offensive and toxic posts on this forum, i haven't seen anything done about it yet either :-(

Thank you for having the patience to read the issue and for providing civil and constructive feedback.

Sure, i agree that when making any changes we should be careful not to cause more problems so pros and cons should be considered, this however has already been mentioned in this conversation, these changes would mostly only affect during high population times (when families can have 30+ allies) and cause no problems in low population times (when families have 6- allies), the baby limit shouldn't affect low population times at all, and like i said, it's not a hard limit, as players could increase that limit by eating cravings, as for cooldown, as long as we guarantee that each family has at least 1 fertile woman, they won't die out of "bad luck". We don't need TWO daughters to be born from the same mother in less than 1-2 minutes for that family to survive.

Based on what i've seen, it does seem the server population HAS been increasing, as i keep finding new players everyday, and steam sales recently did brought a lot more people to the game. We want to keep these new players in, and at least in one example i saw a new player quit after her 2nd life because of this issue which made me sad. (she was extremely stressed for having way too many babies and barely leaving nursery providing a non-fun experience) We want the player population to grown, hence why i've mostly been focusing on the experience for new players.

If one family dies shortly after the introduction of the second, that's a problem we should analyze exactly why it happens, i certainly don't believe it would be because of a 1-2 min cooldown as the birth algorithm already seems to take into account of spawning babies on low-pop families as you can see in detail in this update  here. As long as each family always has a fertile, it's up to the players to try to assure that family survives.

Here's the most relevant part:

This looks great to me, but for some reason it's not working anymore as there's no cooldown and mothers are being overloaded with babies. I see no other update where this was changed. The only alteration i think that's needed in this algorithm is to assure with 100% that if a baby is born in a family with no other fertiles besides that mom, that baby would be born as a female so families don't die out of "bad luck" of having 3 boys and no girls.

I've stated this many times already, at no point in all this conversation did i ever suggested /die should be removed in any way. I don't like /die command but i do understand why it exists, i'm just bothered with the 2min cooldown skeleton spamming and with having the same player being born and dying in a mom's arms over and over. Nothing of what i suggested would cause "runner babies" again.

This whole conversation about /die has been discussed here but to bring it here, here's what i suggested:

I repeat the question: How is this not a win-win for both sides?

Yeah, adding new items to the game that won't solve the problem is just unnecessary extra work for the developer. even if we could put our single baby in our backpack to avoid crafting new useless items, i still would interrupt my work and want to take him to nursery to give him clothes so having him on my arms or back wouldn't change much, and if i got as soon as i got baby dressed and tried to return to work (because of no-cooldown) i would be turning back to nursery to dress the 2nd baby.

Note: It is fine to have our work interrupted by birth, it's part of the game and life, and make us appreciate how much our mothers had to sacrifice sometimes just to take care of us, still because of the problems stating above, spending over half your life staying or going to nursery because you're a female is not a good experience.

Well stated!
Point 1 has no Cons because there's always a valid place to be born if everyone is on cooldown (as Eve), and even in High Population times i feel it wouldn't happen all that often, it would just allow other moms to have more babies (since priority is given to those who ate more cravings, have better temperature, etc)

Point 2 is the most relevant Con as it could lead to more families with less people, but as long as each family always have at least one fertile, i don't think it's a bad thing.

Point 3 states "players having to wait before being born" which is again never would happen. If all females in the game have 4+ babies, then i think that's exactly when we would like to have more Eves being born no? And it's not a hard limit, because mom can increase that limit if that family wants even more population (by eating cravings), but at least it gives the mom a chance to choose if her family is already big enough for her to support or not.

I still believe the Pros would outweigh the Cons, and hey, we could experiment it and if doesn't work, then just reverse it again right?
As i stated, i believe this would mostly just affect high-population times and not hinder low-population times.

Baby Cooldowns are just a variable after all it's not like it's a huge change hard to reverse. (0s, 30s, 1min, 2min)
Baby limit suggested would be 4 babies max + number of cravings eaten by mother, this number could easily be adjusted up or down.
SID skeleton cooldown can easily be changed from 2min to 10sec, for all intents and purposes that baby was never born anyway.

Coding required:
Adjust algorithm to guarantee a female birth if mom is the only fertile in that family.
Having a variable (baby limit = 4) per mom and not a hard limit for everyone, each craving eaten increases that variable.
Prevent /SID babies from being born in the same family they already decided they don't want to be born in anyway.

Maybe it's too much to ask, but would love Jason to give some feedback on this topic in case i'm missing something here.
Thanks to everyone for reading and providing your civil comments.

Once again, when i was still a baby and couldn't feed myself, I inherited Leader and Property, and as soon as i was old enough i kept getting babies, i had three in a row (none of them were twins) confirming there's no baby cooldown, and ended up having 7 babies total, two of them were new players (the game told me so) that i was unable to help or teach much because again, before any of them grew hair and was old enough to do something, i had yet another baby in my arms.

Between seven babies, listening to village giving me feedback about possible griefers, issuing orders when needed and having to go to property gate to open it or give ownership because village needed things within, i barely "played" at all until i was 40 and did no "parenting" besides giving name and clothes to my babies, 7 kids and i was barely able to spend any time with any of them.

In my previous life, my mom was a new player, and didn't know what to do, when i was born in nursery. she already had two other babies there, and more showed up before i was 4 old and able to feed myself. Thanks to other players, i don't think any died (except the /die ones in her arms) but i could tell she was panicking and being very stressed about it. I even tried to teach her about yum and farming once i was able to speak more than a word, but because she had even more babies, she kept going back to nursery.

So yeah... i came to repeat myself: Can we have a baby cooldown and baby limit please?
In high population times, the baby boom is too much both for veteran and for new players and it doesn't provide a good experience for anyone involved.

Give parents a chance to spend some time with their kids please.

This is just rude, false, and filled with misinformation.

First, you created an account just to attack the developer which is something i notice those who encourage game griefing tend to do. It's the equivalent of you coming to my house, and say i'm a bad person because you don't like the paintings in my walls. That's just rude.
if you don't like the game as it is provide with constructive feedback instead of just calling people greedy, or better yet, if you don't agree with it leave and try to find a game you DO enjoy.

Second, the game is open-source this "greedy" developer you claim to want people to buy multiple accounts, offers the whole game code for, FREE, you can setup your own server and play with your friends, and there are other free modified versions of the game like "two hours, one life", no one is forcing anyone to spend any money, but if you want to get into a bar, you need to follow the bar's rules. Most online games have policies that will get you permanently banned, if you use harassment, discriminating language, etc. Jason can't enforce that because he can't police the whole game 24/7.

Third, i really doubt he encourages people to buy several accounts, the only ones doing that are the ones being punished for their deeds against the community, by pushing other nice players away because griefers make the game unfun to play, i bet that if he could choose, he would prevent people from buying a 2nd account to keep pushing more players away from his game. But he can't control that and it's not his job to keep checking on who keeps finding ways outside the game to go around the systems, just like he can't prevent people from chatting outside the game even if he wanted.

Fourth, recently we learned that in some countries the price of the game was very cheap, which would be a good thing, but know what happened? Griefers abused it to keep creating more accounts to keep causing harm to the game and other players. Making the developer thinking of raising the price to attempt to protect the community from bad people. Not because of "greed" but because bad people are forcing prices to go up.

Fifth, if you check the updates page you'll notice that a great majority of his updates have been to try to fight against ways griefers keep abusing the game and providing other players with bad experiences. Griefers may be the #1 reason why this game is is not getting new content like new stuff to build or more advanced technology etc, because he needs to be constantly working to prevent 3 or 4 players from pushing dozens of players away from his game, therefore griefers are actually preventing the development of this game.

Sixth, do some research before spreading misinformation, dozens of players aren't cursing someone because they stole a hat. They are doing so because in a game about parenting and civilization building these players are just focused on destruction by killing all animals, destroying buildings, causing babies to die from starvation, and constantly harass people with foul language. If a single player curses you for a silly reason like stealing a hat, it won't prevent you from playing the game, you just won't be born as that player's kid which is a win-win for both sides since those two players didn't get along anyway, you can still be born in many places in the world, and even a griefer who pissed many people won't be in donkey town all the time (read Jason's post about it). Donkeytown is the equivalent to "jail" for criminals because there's no other way to do justice. Because even if a bad player shows up, kills all animals, gets cursed and killed, he can just spawn in another town, come back and repeat his crimes again.

I considered making a list of ten reasons, but i'll stop for now, as most people tend to skip long posts and just reply with some rude comment, there is much more i could say about this subject, but i'll leave these points for now. Read the forum, many people are upset and complain about griefers, so listen to the community if you want to be part of it, or leave and find a community that suits you better, don't just show up to attack and insult others of bad intentions when you don't show any good intentions yourself.

Don't misquote people please, no one ever used the sentence "wasting babies", i said wasting time stopping everything and picking four or five babies in a row just to have them die in my arms because of the problems i already reported several times.

And as i keep saying apparently there is no cooldown on ability to have babies, every day i get a baby born, i pick them up, and before i have the chance to give them a name by saying "you are..." another one is born

The problems you mention here  are a valid point and should be addressed but your solution defeats the intent and purpose of the game as stated by the designer.

Because of oil? This is a bold statement, we need resources from all biomes to help each other. You can't get oil from snow without rubber and you can't get rubber without latex from jungle and sulphur from desert, which i believe it's by design so all families need each other to advance civilization.

You can teach new players and help them instead of just solving the problems for them, this is actually one of the reasons why some veterans gatekeep new players, because they "know best" and do everything on their own, so other players never have a chance to try to upgrade a well or mine and learn how to solve village problems, since veterans are always doing it for them. Because they know "properly designed villages", new players rarely get a chance to make any buildings, and so on. There's many ways we can help each other besides just spamming /die until you get ginger so you can go extract oil.

Another bold statement, you don't know why they are spamming /die and neither do i, they may be a player wanting to be born ginger to help others like you said, they may be a griefer wanting to be born near where they want to cause trouble, or they may be doing that because "they don't want to clean other's mess and prefer to play alone" like stated before.

Filling nursery with corpses and have new players keep having people dying in their arms and wondering what they did wrong is not a good thing, and i only ever cursed after being still for about 5 minutes because of baby boom spam. I never curse someone who used /die once.

Here's my suggestion to help address this:

If a player uses /die in a family then they shouldn't be allowed to be born in that same family name again, they obviously don't want to be born there and the family is only suffering from a spam of SID babies, if you cycle through all available families then you're born as an Eve, at the COST of having spent several "lives" each time you /died and reducing your genetic score (if you want to play alone then you're not a good fit to inherit leader or properties anyway)

This is another great argument why selecting where to be born may be a bad idea, population should be scattered and balanced among all tribes (including whites) they are all useful and important in their own way, so encouraging people to just pick a family (gingers for example) or only having veterans doing so doesn't seem like a good thing for the game.

Agreed, not only that but this player keeps annoying and being disrespectful to everyone here in the forums too. I believe this is a violation of the forum rules, but so far no moderator commented on it.

Now this is uncalled for, i'm not defending him, but please don't feed the troll or lower to his level of rudeness, apparently you're a moderator here, so give the example and don't attack people. Player's age doesn't matter, his behavior and actions do. Don't discriminate others because of them being younger or older, different sex, country, etc.

There may be other young players who may feel afraid to reveal they are young because of this kind of speech, and telling young players to give the developer money is not nice either, neither to them nor to the community. Niceness tend to breed niceness, rudeness tent to breed rudeness. Break the cycle.