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These changes will go live in the update this week.  We'll see what effect they have.

Weapon used to be stuck in your hand and make you slow for 30 seconds.  Now it's 60 seconds.

Death stagger time for victim was 20 seconds.  Now it's 40 seconds.  Plus, victim cannot starve while staggering around (their food stops decrementing), so they always stagger for the whole 40 seconds, no matter what age, hunger level, etc.

Like YAHG said, a village with skilled farmers and cooks will live a good life, while with missmanagement a village will starve. That's the way it should be.

The seed situation on the other hand...

Not to go off topic too much, but the nearly invisible seeds are horrible clutter all over villages, not just near farms. Mostly you can't even tell you have them in your hand, untill you try to pick something up, and can't.

I was thinking maybe have the seeds disappear, or even better: have them dissapear after an epoch, with a chance of growing the wild variant of the plant on the spot. Would kill off seeds that sit idle too long, while also not being entirelly useless.

ZneoC wrote:

I made a quick edit to the main post. But I saw a successful village's trading depot!

locked himself inside, good job!

however, the town went into full panic and the white-dressed old lady immediately tried to break down the walls.

The someone turned the crate into a cart, so then it wasn't sealed in.

ok we are learning!

is there a better subsitute for item transfers?

put the lid on box and cant be moved
a grave with u letter also cheap

YAHG wrote:

I think the stuff about somehow having personal property in the game would be wonderful..

I don't see why the people on the outside of the building even need the guy in the middle, they can just make an oven on the outside. Or they can just wait you out and you will die without inputs.

A sealed city around some wells does sound cool, but I am not sure how this is functionally different than it is now other than you can't get iron etc on your own.

few filled pits and good luck with that, with one they need 5 permanent blocking tiles, with 3 placed in front of door and two diagonally you need like 8 to be blocked, possible still, with pits, but as long as you are paying attention you can redug before they finish it, as long as its more work to grief than to prevent, i think is manageable

just as example, i just planted like 30 milkweed, reaction? second lasso in a town with no sheep, now imagine people actually ask if they could take that ropes you planted half of your life to do a lasso, you would say no fuckign way, upgrade a vein or a well, build a pen

they might not need but its easier to ask something than make something

you cna get, if you go out, its a risk every time
thats why the distance
if you keep your family in one compartment, they can work together
if 20 people run around, nothing is safe from taking/losing it

i guess an iron vein and a pond with some desert is kinda rare

they can wait 60 min if you got a well and a bucket

often i miss having 10 slots in a pack, so my plans wont get ruined
i mean i can do all the work i want, and then let them enjoy benefits, rather than constantly blocked by others to get things going

ZneoC wrote:

6. you could swap by placing on grave, swap sides, take item, or them paying first

6. can you give more detail, I want to know.

8.  Yeah slowly build it up to look nice, right? is that what you are saying?

thanks! I like these ideas, they seem practical!

A.
a1.a grave allows to place a rose on it, but not just a rose, sheep meat, straws, furs, etc
you can take it from both sides, the flat stone will fly away, but if you fix it with letters, then you can place item on it, then take it

a2. now imagine you got a stone wall, a fully enclosed room ,which is yours, your key, your door, and 1 grave on bottom acting as a wall, one on top, you ask for a fur, to give a pie

a3. the customer comes to the bottom puts down the fur, you go to the top, put down a pie
you both swap sides, he goes to top, takes the pie from the grave trough wall, as the grave is a wall
you take the fur
an exchange happens, with the safety of you staying inside a wall, he staying outside
so nobody steals the stock, thats why i said the center of this buiding should be a well, so you can stay alive inside all your life, combine items you ask for, give out items for people you trade with

a4. you can extend the building later, your main goal is to make it small, and functioning, maybe pit pens, 2 graves, a door, i can do it in less than 30 min? maybe
but not sure what items can be placed on a grave, a shovel wont? a basket wont? then is limited to that, so you cant transfer soil, baskets, multiple seeds
of course when you already trade items, you got a way to extend, you can make a new room, where you place a box with lid as a wall, now everything else than sheep dung and a cart? can go inside it
you can have a second door with different key, you can have a room to forge

a5. i can imagine i can live inside a 25x25 building all my life doing trades of this kind, cause people save me walking time, i got a benefit of having private property, things in order, i can eat, make berry bowls, water crops, nobody will touch it
after initial borrow of tools, its also fair, cause you dont use city resources, you make your own
and is convenient for people
a trusted trader will give me a backpack for a basket of iron? maybe i get iron, not thread and furs
i dont know where is the needle? ask the trader

a6. its not about the value you get, maybe you lose profit by giving free food, free needle and thread
maybe you lose stock over time, its about teaching people that hard work gets rewarded, cooperation is possible, there are people who can be trusted, and your small glass jar can keep itself up,  while people outside can have their usual life
also would teach them that you got all that stuff in one single life, what can be made alone, what others do for you, and you take it for granted having access to it in a normal life

a7. ofc people will be enraged that you got stuff inside a room, and gonna try to block you inside, gonna try to get inside, gonna ask for free stuff, abuse you verbally
but as long as you did all that stuff inside, they got no base for accusations

a8. lets say we got a good city, as kid i gonna make myself a pack, make a room, i need compost, wheat and a working pen, i take the sheep inside my room, do a full composting process inside, make small carrot room, build a hotel room, where people can come, stay inside a  room (maybe a 3x3 room, which cant be closed) i serve you food daily, you pay rent by whatever you got, a wodden log, a thread, i use it to craft more stuff inside, extend hotel, i take an apprentice, an abandoned kid, teach him the hotel rules, we do it together, one of us extends hotel, other serves customers, roleplay the shit out of it
the city can be like 50 tiles away, they dont depend on you, you dont depend on them, you produce for them but with the rule of asking anything in return, i can do it maybe, i gonna try anyway

pein wrote:

Rebel wrote:

A.

1.Honestly Pein, stop encouraging this horrible idea of pit/graves walls, it's the ugliest shit I have ever seen. Fences are cheap, it's literally a little bit of gathering, its one more step over a pit
You still need a shovel, you still need to hit stakes with a hammer, why can't you just go collect some bloody branches for that sake of not making towns look like shit.
just because you cant be arsed to gather, don't punish the rest of us who like nice looking towns. plus pit pens take ages to fix up too, they are just the worst please stop.

2.on a side, note I like your idea oh a "bank" basically, but again would only really work on private servers.

3. As more tech Is added I am sure one day he will consider some sort of trading/banter mechanic that allows us to control our logistics, for now just be happy with Sauerkraut.

B.
4. pit grave looks 10 time better than a grave block, they look the fucking same as other graves, i dont know why you cant place it in four walls without corner, but you can place it in a 4x4 block, where you got no intention of putting a letter on it from center to edge, i dont know why cant you leave 1 tile between 2x2 graves, or place them as a wall around the city rather than filling a biome with noob kids bones and wasting a shovel on them
4 out 500 graves convinced me they never gonna be finished, also i seen soo many times they chuck down a grave in middle of the city, cause obviously, their mom was sooo good, that needs to block the way of everybody else

5. i know a lot of people annoyed by people like you and they might be less, but they make more work than you

6. you are the person who fucks up my 4th chisel without asking to make a stone room and lock out others, or who cries about a board i take, when i made all the tools for you to make it, or the one who makes a road before solving the food issue

7. i made out of fences, adobe bases, using ponds, wells, cactus, you know what? spend a life on making a 4x5 adobe room, when we had resources, 3 of us spent a lifetime making a 5 by 5 with a better than average spot where we had long shafts, still we had to go in 3 other biomes

8. problem is, you need carts to gather enough fences, which currently comes from ropes, which cant be made after you nulled the closest green biomes and milkweed farming only works after composting, and even if i make 3 carts, people feel entitled to take it instantly

9. fences dont look good either, vertical ones maybe, a player taking a fence rail dont look good either, even with his best intention takes it down and releases all the sheep, you can just start it over
so you need to place it diagonally, and looks like the crappiest thing  ever, but i wouldnt place it differently cause it wont function
the other thing is griefers, they gonna ruin your nice fences just for the sake of it, or a kid gonna click the fence instead of the dung inside it, pits are harder to remove if fixed down, and people fix it down 90%

10. i generally dont drop anything on it so you can remove it, after building a normal fence around it, increasing its size, lot of people do it, stays in my topic, any attempts i seen ended up int o a triple walled pen with some fences, some pits, some stone, if its a way to grief it, they do it
i cant be arsed to spend a lifetime on something, people gonna ruin in 10 minutes
as you or others can be arsed to go gather for the city
you like nice looking town you didnt made maybe, cause that one step you talk about is a difference of 20+ minutes, so pretty obvious you dint made one yourself, and if you dont realize that a city is not a city without compost and why time is more important than looks, than you dont play this game properly. so yeah, when i make it gen 2, or when you dont make it under a lifetime, and others got no clue what to do with the branches, then dont cry about the look of it, i put it further every time

11. i make that, the shears, the spindle and the needles too, rather than make a 3x3 fence  and die without a sheep, next 5 generation spends carrot farming with no compost, happens all the time

12. never seen a working fence pen which lasted too much, seeing tongs and short shafts made out of rails makes me want to leave the place, imagining people working hard just for someone to destroy it for good

13. also making roads by cutting the trees in the green biome is ugly, a city without trees is ugly, no ability make fire is deadly, so roads to me are ugly, leading into a graveyard with no function

14. containment is first
should be noob proof
should be grief proof

15. so far few things are blocking as far as i know (not sure on update)
a.15.a. adobe wall which decays
a.15.b. adobe base which is cheaper and decays
a.15.c. stone which wont decay but its expensive and slow, same as a fence as griefed by empty hand
a.15.d. fences which can be griefed by hand and destroyed with shovel
a.15.e. graves from flatstone -its even portable
a.15.f. sheep bones which decay and having 16 requires killing 16
a.15.g. pits unfixed which are fast to make, can be extended and rearanged
a.15.h. pits fixed which are same as stone wall (needs dedicated griefers) and doesnt cover
a.15.i. graves with letter which are same in every quality with a stone wall, with added benefit of not covering tiles and ability to hold items

16. explain why a wall of graves 1x16 is bad for you and a 4x4 is looking good when first can block out the animals, second just comes from the "We can fuck up more shovels and have more dead kids buried in smaller place" thinking

17. and for last, a deal: I make a pen of pits of a "P" shape, so you know its mine, you obviously can build fences around it and remove it, next time i reborn, i will personally plant one wheat and one berry bush for each fence

C.
18. ye of little faith
Don't assume you know my game style or how good i am, When you assume you make and 'ass' out of 'u' and 'me'.

19. I hate graves just as much as the next guy, I personally don't make graves and leave them to despawn.

20. All I am saying is that I would rather spend an extra 20 mins making a fence pen, then making a ugly arse pit pen, a day will come when he makes pits and grave passable, are you gonna complain then? He made fences for pens, he made pits for trash, stop meta gaming.
What difference does it really make, that you get sheep 20 mins later then normal, and what the hell is the fun in rushing out the content.
If a village cant survives one or two generation without sheep they shouldn't survive at all.

21. If you want to continue this convo PM me.

22. Back to the topic at hand.

23. trading in the current stage is the last thing on my mind, I know trading was fundamental to human success, but I would rather have Jasons time spent pushes the tech tree further.
I like the social experiment aspect of this game but when you only play for max an hour and there is this 3 hour ban, there is not much reason to set up the infrastructure for trading or personal housing in a town where the time you get back to it, its likely to be dead or completely changed.

24. Once Jason gives us a good reason to make houses we shall start making buildings, EG Forges only work inside buildings for example, or getting some sort of food buff when eating inside maybe on chairs and table (which only can be built in an enclosed room). Also sorting the griefing with buildings IE locks or being able to destroy stone walls.

26. As mentioned before a barter stand is the only way I see trading working out. I would happily use but would require planning and personal storage to store your traded good, EG if i buy a basket of pies, I need somewhere to put them so people don't eat them. plus you have this added problem of someone stealing the items you were making to trade of pies, imagine you been growing wheat or breeding sheep and someone snatches it. Guess you would really have to have professions in a major way.

27. Also, I wouldn't mind it if your surname was linked to the job you did the most, or at least let branches of the family change their surname. If I was born and my surname was "Smith" or "Miller" etc I feel more entitled to do that job, maybe that's just me tho.

28. Eve camps generally won't have jobs, I love the idea of "primitive camps" where they don't have jobs and everyone just does what they do now and just run around doing odd jobs and then having "Towns or cities" where trading is the way of life, would feel like progression.

29. Maybe the key thing making it easier to get that item the baker wants so you can get some food, and harder just to "single player" it and just farm berries.

the issues are:time and resources

1. i can imagine i could make it and have 10 min as a trader, more like a receptionist

2. stone walls are expensive, a big enough trash pit pen might work, they can dig you out but unlikely they put 19 items in one pit

3. aldough for trading, i can imagine graves! yes, you can ask for example for sheep food (berry bowl with carrot) as currency, have an enclosed room with a small airlock, inside sheep which you feed, tending some bushes, buildign around water well, upgraded, bucket
making compost, wheat, carrot can only made if you make a pen inside pen
you can ask for furs too, have enough thread

4. not liek a trader, more like a receptionist would work, people give you stuff, for safekeeping, collecting, you make wool and needle, clothes, ask for branches, sheep food, etc.

5. you put them together inside and reward people with it, you need knowledge of the biomes, what and where to get, work undisturbed amd help people who help you, i imagine not everybody would want to rob you, and send others for intstructions

6. you could swap by placing on grave, swap sides, take item, or them paying first

7. nursery is other idea, but if you make a pen like this, nursery needs only a fence, or a flatsone on a grave, so babies wont run out to suicide and would be kinda interesting for them to spawn into a small room, reusing wall parts possible so you could have multiple nurseries and females in them, raising kids, you would give free pies for moms, a basket with a sharp stone

8. you could ask back things like flint chip, sharp stone, anyone could ask to borrow a tool then give back(not sure what can be placed on a grave, maybe just basic items) but later you could have a second door and boxes with lid to do the same

9. so kinda receptionist/quest giver in a hotel like place

10. might need a life to set it up and hiding the key when get back

1.internal trading wont work, there is nothing stopping people from stealing your pies you made, unless you lock it, but people can still make keys and rob you AND what happens if you die collecting something away from town like water and you lose the key for your trainee, plus once there is more then a couple of "shops" people will have duplicate keys.

2.I love the idea, but in practice does not work. the best way to implement this is spreading your "shops" some distance apart where horse and carts are needed for transporting it, EG.

3.A Miller brings you flour for Pies
A shepherd brings you mutton for pies

4.You can then also trade pies for clothes, tools etc from other people.

5. HOWEVER. This will never happen.
1.a You will always have to have a eve camp where everyone shares and crafts things.
2.b you can't organize a town of this scale in one life
3.c in most cases, your trainnee will die or not understand whats going on.
4.d Buildings take a while to build, Also, Experts who know how to basket/box craft with one crafting tile only need small spaces to work HOWEVER the trainee may not be as good.
5.e Its risky business forcing people to trade for food, you will just get murdered by anyone who really needs the food or Thinks that the town is starving.
6. Again, cannot do this in one lifetime.

7. Town trading is nice, I have seen it happen multiple times when big towns get too populated and food gets low, people just grab a basket and run for the hills, some survive and make new villages later to trade with the big town.

8. its selfish and there is no reason to trade, You don't make a profit you have no skill set that someone else cant do, as soon as you say "yeah you cant have this unless you give me flour" they will just make their own pies with that flour. Specialization is key to commerce its econ 101, and there is no skill trees here.

9.Maybe we should focus on town trading. Food trading probs is a bad idea, each town should have its own food network, but there is no reason why a well-off town can trade food to another town for these items. however Tools or clothes, even people can be traded. I once bought a small girl with a cart of a full set of clothes as our village had no females.

10. Another point should be made that lives are short, unless roads are made to each town, then trading wont last long, also towns can change within a generation, One min there is a baker making carts of pies, but then the shepherd dies so no mutton then the baker dies and no one takes over..

11. If Jason Makes barter stands, would be a great idea EG You put a basket of pies on it and ask for a bowl of flour, I can see how this would be implemented and think it would work well.
EG, you cannot swap with the item on the stand unless you are swapping with the item it is asking for, would improve logistics. I personally would love it, but I don't know if it has its place here. we have keys so Jason must think there is a need for personal chests. this would give people a reason to use them apart from to hide tools from griefers. 

12. I just know for a fact, that if trading was implemented, towns would die out fast or people would just not bother with it, Yes its easier to Trade flour for three pies but what happens when you start laking? no pies left at the store, fuck it ill make my own and give them out for free.

13. This game is NOT a CIV building game, it isn't and people who tell you otherwise clearly haven't played it enough, there is no way to translate your plans for a town through generations and EVERY town ends up being a mess until and pro player comes along decided to organise it, but that only lasts like 20 mins until the next gen is born.

14. Jesus that was a long post. XD sorry about the spelling error i cba to proof read.