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For there to be the possibility of cooperation, there must first be common goals.

Sorry but, griefers don't have common goals with other players.

The using wild berries or growing your own makes a huge difference in how viable pies are. Let's look at that closer.

A person can't eat more than 720 food over the course of a single life. This is because of the minimum seconds between food decrements found in the code, which is set to 5. The maximum is 20, so if you're at the perfect temperature you only burn 1 food every 20 seconds, and if you're freezing to death you burn 1 every 5.

So at maximum burn rate you need 3600 seconds / 5 = 720 food over the course of one life. You could assume that the first 4 years of your life you're taken care of by your mother, so you actually only need 56 minutes worth of food at a rate of 1 food every 5 seconds, or 56 * 60 / 5 = 672 food over the course of your life, maximum.

Let's assume you actually do stay cold and freezing to death until age 60.

First, lets look at carrots.

Carrots are 8 food each. You'd need to eat 672 / 8 = 84 carrots to survive, give or take a few on overeating, but let's not worry about those.
To grow 84 carrots you need 84 / 5 = 16.8 harvested farm plots. But you can't plant .8 of a farm plot so let's call it 17.
Those 17 farm plots will need 2 additional farm plots of carrots left to go to seed, giving you enough seed to plant 20 plots. You're up to needing 19 plots of carrots now.
You'll also be needing to replace 2 soil for the seeded carrot plots. That's 1 composting.
And we're going to grow our own berries for all of the composting we do, so we need to grow 1 berry bush plot. It can use the 1 leftover soil from the composting.
We can assume we had an extra carrot for the composting because we only needed 16.8 plots, but we will need to go find some reeds.

That is a total of 21 water. 20 for crops, 1 for compost. Plus you have to find 1 reed.

Let's look at carrot pies.

Carrot Pies are 32 food each. You'd need to eat 672 / 32 = 21 carrot pies to survive.
To make these, you need to grow 21 carrots. That is 21 / 5 = 4.2 plots, which rounds up to 5 carrot plots.
You'll need to grow one more carrot plot and let it go to seed, using up 1 soil.
You also need 21 pie crusts, which for that you are going to need 21 / 3 = 7 wheat plots.
The 7 wheat is going to need 7 water to turn it into dough.
You use up 7 soil to grow the wheat.
To replace the 8 soil that you've used so far, you'd need to compost 3 times, but if we grow our berry bushes, you have to include the soil they use as well.
You'd actually need to grow 5 berry bushes to cover all soil costs and compost 5 times.
The math is 5 soil for berry bushes + 1 soil for carrots + 7 soil for wheat = 13 soil needed. At 3 soil per compost, you get 15 soil if you compost 5 times, which covers the 13 cost.
But since you are doing 5 composts, you need 5 carrots, which is an extra plot. You're now up to 6 carrot plots.
This is 6 carrot, 7 wheat, and 5 berry plots, a total of 18 plots, which is 18 water for the crops.

That is a total of 30 water. 18 for crops, 7 for dough, and 5 for compost.

Now, let's look at rabbit pies.

Rabbit Pies are 60 food each. You'd need to eat 672 / 60 = 11.2 rabbit pies to survive, but let's just call it 12.
To make these you need 12 pie crusts, which is 12 / 3 = 4 wheat plots.
The 4 wheat is going to need 4 water to turn it into dough.
You use up 4 soil to grow the wheat.
To replace 4 soil, you need to compost 2 times. Two berry bushes for the compost uses 2 more soil, for a total of 6, still covered by the two composts.
But, you're also going to need 2 carrots to do the compost, so let's assume you have to do everything to get them and the seeds. That means 2 carrot plots, one for compost, one for seeds.
That costs 1 additional soil thanks to the seeding carrots, which pushes our required soil count up over 6 to 7. You need another berry bush now for another compost, so 8 soil total.

That is a total of 16 water. 9 for crops, 4 for dough, and 3 for compost.
You will also need 12 family rabbit holes.

Some of this could be more efficient if you scaled up to support 2 or 3 people because there are extra fractional amounts that go unused when you assume 1 person.

But the conclusion is a person could use less water living off Rabbit Pie, but your next bottleneck is likely going to be that rabbits only respawn every epoc.

The best answer is in a balance and wise use of resources. If you have a surplus of something, then use it. If you have a ton of raw rabbit sitting around but not much water, make Rabbit Pies. If you have a ton of water and no rabbits, grow carrots. If there's wild berries, use those before growing your own. If you have none of these, why the heck you living there?

And put some pants on. Naked people eat too much.

Are the seed tiles for seed storage or seed growing?

Dagar hit it right on. Most the people reading the forums know what to do and for the most part, are likely not the cause of the failures. If you're on the forums is likely because you're looking to learn something about the game.

I think a huge influx of the player base is actually from people who saw a youtuber playing it. Now, I don't know if you've seen some of the videos on the game on youtube but... they're not exactly instructional, for the most part. I think someone here from the forum put the effort into to making some instructional youtube videos, but the bulk of the youtube player base likely hasn't seen them if they're just watching the popular youtuber channels.

So they get a laugh watching their favorite youtuber flail about in-game for a bit, think hey, this game might be fun, and they go buy it because they want to flail about too. Good for Jason, but means there's a group that's just going to be randomly clicking things, because that's all they know how to do.

And inevitably, even if you have a solid group building a camp, they're going to be replaced by some of these players in an hour.

And tribes will fail. Nothing requires anyone to listen to the 'rules' that their parents lay down. You can do whatever you want, as much as you want to until there aren't enough resources left to do so.

Unchecked socialism will not work in the long run, because you can't guarantee that everyone will follow unenforceable rules.

I'd add one more thing to the list of what is needed for sustainability.

Knowing when to stop.

Had last night where someone was growing carrots as fast as they possibly could, but we just didn't need that much because there were only 3 of us and we all had good clothing. It reached a point where there were single carrots littering the ground all over the place because the two dozen baskets were already full, and eventually lead to a lot of farm plots turning into seeds simply because they didn't know what to do with all the dang carrots.

And they just kept planting and watering more any time they could find a bare spot of soil.

When there's enough, quit growing carrots or risk destroying the entire farm. Doing a good thing with blind single mindedness can lead to a bad thing.

There's some unintentional trolling going on with noobs just clicking on everything to see what it does. I caught one last night who emptied a forge of its charcoal, dumped it on the ground, then took a piece and was trying to throw it on a fire.

I stopped to ask him "What are you doing?"

He said "don't know"

He then promptly dropped the charcoal on the ground and ran off to go mess with something else. I think he ultimately created an adobe base in some random spot as well.

You gotta treat noobs like they're curious children. They're going to screw things up, just like a 2 year old would. If they find a seed, they'll probably try to plant it to see what happens.

To be honest, the Heat Grid and R Value Grid code is pretty complex. It's not a simple this divided by that formula.

We can see that we're aiming for a value of 0.5 heat, if we look here: https://github.com/jasonrohrer/OneLife/ … r.cpp#L976
The way that sub works, anything that is not exactly on 0.5 will start to decrease the seconds between food decrements from the maximum down to the minimum value, until you reach either 0 or 1 heat.

And if we look here https://github.com/jasonrohrer/OneLife/ … .cpp#L7509 we see that the rGrid values (which has the calculated rClothing values added in) gets used as 1 - rGrid[j]. That then gets used below to calculate a Heat Delta that then is used to update the Player's Heat Map.

And that gets used here https://github.com/jasonrohrer/OneLife/ … .cpp#L7586 to actually set the Player's Heat value somewhere between 0 to 1, based on a "TargetHeat" which is defined near the top of the class as being 10.

So yeah, there's some further steps. Quite a few.

But instead of trying to make judgements based on code that we don't fully understand, I think simply switching between clothing and observing that when you put on a seal coat vs a rabbit fur coat that your temp bar goes up, that's all the answer we really need to know which is better.

Wow, this is nice.

I would not have guessed that rabbit fur gives more insulation than wool. Good to know, I guess. And now I don't feel so bad making the shoes, always thought those probably didn't give as much warmth as other pieces and were kind of a waste of thread. Looks instead like wearing shoes is better than wearing pants if you've got 2 thread and 1 fur to spare.

Interesting.

You know I kept thinking to myself while reading your response that I really don't remember using that much water the last few times I played. Counting it back I remember that I needed to grow the wheat sometimes if there wasn't any yet, needed to make the pie crust, and I'd do one or two composts to replace the soil. Still seemed like I was using less water than what an equal amount of carrot food would require, but after reading your post I figured out that I was doing something different.

I've been getting my compost berries from wild berry bushes.

I mean, if they're there, why not, right? They're basically 'free' and only limited by time, and most importantly, no soil or water cost. The issue is they're not guaranteed because you can't pick where they'll be and you can't control who has walked by an eaten off the bush either, so just because you know where one is, doesn't mean you can count on it being available when you decide to do composting.

But yes, I see where if you're growing all of the ingredients for the composting, pies do take up more water because of the soil usage of the berry bushes. That is a sustainability issue if you're trying to get every little bit you can out of the water available.  There's a limit to how far you can travel for water, unless you're going to start sending multiple water fetchers out on a rotation to keep getting water from further and further away, and then you start running into hunger issues if it is too far.

And you are right that getting started, you gotta eat something. A stack of pies aren't going to appear in front of you as soon as you're born, you usually have to make them if you're going to have them at all, and you'll starve in the time it takes to make them if you don't eat something else. This is why I usually spend my time going on a quest to fetch something that the civ needs, as my payback for the support I got in the beginning. Though that's sorta getting to be a different topic I think.

Yeah, lately I've been asking if kids 'know how to eat', because a surprising number haven't figured that out how to poke a carrot in their mouth yet.

Had one tonight that said YA, and then killed over dead right in front of me. Full set of clothing on them that I put on them, and baskets of carrots right behind them.

I mean, come on, I didn't spend 4 minutes nursing you so you could win the Darwin award.