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#1 Re: Main Forum » How can the games punishment system be based on "he said she said"? » 2020-07-01 18:29:33
It's not really a 'punishment' system. Cursing someone means you didn't enjoy playing with them, maybe because they were griefing, maybe because they spent too much time arguing, maybe because they were too rude or hostile, or for any other reason. The only thing cursing does is making it so that person doesn't spawn near you. There is no punishment associated with it (unless you piss off enough people so that there's literally nowhere for you to spawn).
My guess as to what happened is that someone wrongfully accused you of locking people up, you got really angry, maybe yelled out some profanities that people didn't like, and that's why you got cursed. I took a look at four of your most recent lives and your last words in those lives are "I give up", "FFS", "Fuck off", "Its over". Either fairly hostile or needlessly fatalistic which is why I assume you got cursed due to arguing.
Again this is just me guessing and I could be completely and uttrely wrong, but without looking at the chat log there's no way to see what really happened.
Is donkeytown not a thing anymore?
#2 Re: Main Forum » How can the games punishment system be based on "he said she said"? » 2020-07-01 15:02:40
Im convinced the game is worse now. Just had another life where Cloe Manring was griefing. Killed sheep took lots of stuff into wild. Couldn't kill her because leader was a barely functional potato who could barely even eat. When that leader died next leader was a baby... She couldn't be exiled and couldn't be killed just griefed until she died of old age. Literally just harder to kill griefers, what's the point?
#3 Main Forum » How can the games punishment system be based on "he said she said"? » 2020-07-01 13:20:44
- nerfsnowballsnow
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Just came back after a long time of not playing. Had lots of good lives. One recently, was complete shit.
Was in the Edge town. Person named Bluma Edge had a key and was telling people to go into a building with nothing in it, and locking them in there. Her daughter Eleonora Edge was also telling people to go in there, and her name was black since I had cursed her in a previous life. I took the key away and gave it to someone who then made a lock remover since I didn't remember how to do that. Told a few others to curse Bluma then went on my way and Bluma died of old age shortly afterward. All is well or so I thought.
Eleonora and a person named July Edge tell the leader to exile and curse me. Another person is defending me. Spent literally around 10 minutes arguing with them next to leader about this. There is another person who was there to witness the Bluma stuff who was defending me, can't remember their name. July Edge insists that she saw me lock the door on other people so I can only assume she was also griefing. Despite me trying to defend myself for 10 minutes, leader decides to believe July and Eleonora, and I get exiled, cursed, and killed.
My name was Oliviarose Edge http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=6352954
How can the games punishment system still be like this? Cursing is a terrible system when it's literally just "he said she said" to people that didn't see what actually happened? Why aren't there logs or something? I literally got punished for stopping a griefer.
#4 Re: Main Forum » We need a different option than murder » 2019-03-05 20:47:03
Don't know exactly what the solution would be, but I agree so much with this, though not sure how it would work. So many people on that thread just said that I shouldn't have killed her, but what other solution is there? Talking didn't work. She was going to keep doing it despite it obviously being bad for town, and I had no way to stop her other than killing her. If people refuse to listen you can't do anything other than kill them. Maybe you can use a lasso to "catch" someone and force them to listen? It's silly I know but it's the only thing I can think of.
Also to Destiny above, snowballs have luckily been nerfed. Can't kill with them anymore. And a 5 second freeze isn't going to stop anyone, snowballs are fair now IMO. They can't be used as a solution. Would also like to know what you would have done in that situation, since you seem to think that what I did was extremely wrong. I am fully willing to teach new players and have done so several times. I'm not toxic ingame with the text. But if people sabotage town, even if its not intentional and refuse to listen to why what they are doing is bad, what on earth can you do?
#5 Re: Main Forum » Cursing system sucks. » 2019-03-04 00:22:04
I am fully willing to teach people if they are willing to learn. I've sort of made the one warning rule since in my expereince, 99% of the time, if they don't listen to the first warning, they never will. It's a waste of time telling someone the same thing for 5 minutes and them not caring.
#6 Re: Main Forum » Cursing system sucks. » 2019-03-04 00:04:32
nerfsnowballsnow wrote:Chard wrote:I'm sorry this happened to you. But really?! You have an opinion, they have an opinion. They choose their opinion over yours so you stab them? Why didn't you just curse them? Or try and explain again your reasoning? Maybe I don't know all the facts here but based on what you've told me I'd say you were a griefer. You don't stab people for this kind of thing. One warning, then stab them? Is that what it has come to?
Yes. I went to pen and saw one sheared sheep. I fed it, and before it has any lambs, that girl comes and shears it. I tell her not to and she ignores me. I fed it again and she sheared it again. Town had one basket of 3 mutton. Nothing else. Almost certain she was the reason why. She wasn't listening and she was screwing town over after being told not to. I honestly can't see how it's bad for the town to have her dead. It isn't an opinion that she was screwing town over, it's a fact lol. Also I did curse them. I legit cannot see how she wasn't griefing by shearing that sheep. How intentional it was I don't know, but she was griefing town by continuing to shear the sheep, and I told her not to do it, and she kept doing it.
But from her perspective: she was shearing sheep, someone said not to, she decided to ignore them, she sheared more sheep, she got stabbed by the person. I can't say for certain she wasn't a griefer but I am certain you were. Fortunately this means your essential premise is correct: if you didn't learn not to stab people BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SUBSTITUTE YOUR AUTHORITY FOR THEIR OWN, then the cursing system does not work.
For my money I like the cursing system but I'm rarely the target of it I suppose.
Is stabbing automatically griefing? By this same logic, couldn't I destroy a pen with a shovel, and then when I get stabbed, that person is the griefer, and not me? Destroying pen would fuck town completely over. She was also fucking town over. Is it really griefing killing someone who is fucking town over? Is it griefing stabbing someone who stabs another person? Why is stabbing automatically griefing? I don't get this logic.
#7 Re: Main Forum » Cursing system sucks. » 2019-03-04 00:02:32
What other games? I've literally never seen it.
League of legends. It works wonders.
#8 Re: Main Forum » Cursing system sucks. » 2019-03-03 23:47:56
Instead of saying it sucks, how about you suggest something better? You know what would REALLY suck? Having no moderation at all.
A player tribunal on the website. Once someone gets enough curses, they get on the tribunal. Tribunal shows logs and actions of lives where they were cursed. Community decides if they deserve to be punished. Majority vote decides if player will be punished. The more someone votes correctly (as in, the same vote as the majority chose) the more their vote will count. Player made punishments with tribunal systems work in other games, can't see why it wouldn't here. Would also be much easier to send actual griefers to DT. You should only need a few curses to get tribunal tested.
#9 Re: Main Forum » Cursing system sucks. » 2019-03-03 23:34:33
nerfsnowballsnow wrote:Got sent to donkeytown for the second time now. From four curses. Was in a town with sheep. Noticed someone shear the last sheep. Went up to them and told them not to. They very clearly saw it since they stood still while I was typing, but they didnt respond. I fed the sheep so we could have lamb again, and that person went up again and sheared the last sheep. I had already warned them not to do it, so I stabbed them. They cursed me and went into town and told people to curse me since I "was griefer".
I'm sorry this happened to you. But really?! You have an opinion, they have an opinion. They choose their opinion over yours so you stab them? Why didn't you just curse them? Or try and explain again your reasoning? Maybe I don't know all the facts here but based on what you've told me I'd say you were a griefer. You don't stab people for this kind of thing. One warning, then stab them? Is that what it has come to?
Yes. I went to pen and saw one sheared sheep. I fed it, and before it has any lambs, that girl comes and shears it. I tell her not to and she ignores me. I fed it again and she sheared it again. Town had one basket of 3 mutton. Nothing else. Almost certain she was the reason why. She wasn't listening and she was screwing town over after being told not to. I honestly can't see how it's bad for the town to have her dead. It isn't an opinion that she was screwing town over, it's a fact lol. Also I did curse them. I legit cannot see how she wasn't griefing by shearing that sheep. How intentional it was I don't know, but she was griefing town by continuing to shear the sheep, and I told her not to do it, and she kept doing it.
#10 Re: Main Forum » Cursing system sucks. » 2019-03-03 23:07:43
Everyone always earns every curse they receive. You get curses when you make other players angry. It doesn't matter whether they "should" be angry; it doesn't matter whether you were right and they were wrong; it doesn't matter whether it's fair.
If you make other players angry you will get curses.
If you don't know why other players are getting angry with you, you should spend more time reflecting on that.
If you do know why other players are getting angry with you, you should stop doing things that make them angry. Or get used to donkeytown. Your choice.
People will curse just because they see a bloody knife. People will curse just because you ask them to. I've asked people to curse someone who they knew nothing about, and they did it. How is this not a problem? You can get sent to donkeytown by people that don't know if you did anything wrong.
#11 Re: Main Forum » Cursing system sucks. » 2019-03-03 23:04:30
Out of 34,000 players that have ever been cursed, only 27 have enough lifetime curses that their threshold is 6 or lower.
Also, shearing the wrong sheep is not a reason to kill someone. By murdering them you're causing more damage to the town that they would do in ten lifetimes. You're definitely in the wrong on this one.
The only people I see complaining about the curse system are either serial griefers or people who are extremely hostile to others.
Okay. What was the correct thing to do here? That person kept shearing the last sheep that I was feeding. Town had pretty much no mutton. I told her not to do it, and she did it anyways. Town needed mutton. What could I have done other than kill her to ensure that town had mutton? How is it more damaging killing someone who was crippling towns supply of food, than letting them do it? You don't know if that person would have worked hard or even worked at all. What is certain is that she was destroying the supply of mutton which town very much needed. How on earth was it bad for the town that she died?
#12 Re: Main Forum » Cursing system sucks. » 2019-03-03 22:48:29
Curses are good, they should stay. The mindless sheep are the ones who die in the end because of their own ignorance, unable to curse an actual griefer that comes their way. Eventually they learn to ask questions first rather than later. The people are the problem, not the system
And the system sucks because people don't learn. There's no visible punishment for cursing without a good reason, so people keep doing it. Cursing has been here for a looong time and people still curse without any context. The majority of players don't learn.
#13 Re: Main Forum » Cursing system sucks. » 2019-03-03 22:46:28
Leaving a sheep unshorn doesn't really matter any more, since feeding unshorn sheep now gives dung as well. This means you stabbed a person for no reason, so they had a good reason to be upset.
If you get sent to Donkey Town after getting four curses, you either got four curses in your previous life as well, or your total curse number is so massive that your Donkey Town Threshold is lower than 8.
Feeding an unshorn sheep gives you wool and poop.
Feeding a lamb gives you wool, poop, and another sheep. Another sheep is worth 4 mutton. You lose 4 mutton by shearing last sheep. Town was low on mutton, had one basket of three mutton and nothing else, and I'm pretty sure that player was the reason. Only saw her shear the last sheep twice, there's a good chance she did it more times and that's why town was low. Shearing last sheep is still lowkey griefing.
And yes I have a low curse threshold. Don't know if I had any curses beforehand, but it is definetely lower than 8. It's not because I grief. If I see someone messing up, usually by shearing last sheep, I give them one warning, and if they do it again, I stab them. Always do this, and pretty much always get cursed lol. I never stab without warning first unless it's very clearly intentional griefing. I really don't feel like I deserve to go to donkeytown for this. If someone intentionally fucks town ovey, for example by shearing last sheep, after being told not to, they are actually griefing. Killing griefers should never give you curses but it does, because people don't ask why you stabbed. It's a serious problem.
#14 Main Forum » Cursing system sucks. » 2019-03-03 22:09:22
- nerfsnowballsnow
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Got sent to donkeytown for the second time now. From four curses. Was in a town with sheep. Noticed someone shear the last sheep. Went up to them and told them not to. They very clearly saw it since they stood still while I was typing, but they didnt respond. I fed the sheep so we could have lamb again, and that person went up again and sheared the last sheep. I had already warned them not to do it, so I stabbed them. They cursed me and went into town and told people to curse me since I "was griefer". One person cursed me and then chased me with knife even though I explained myself. I literally spent about 40 seconds just typing that she was bad for town and for him to stop, he didn't, he kept trying to stab. Decided I had given him enough chances so I stabbed him. He runs into town and tells people to curse me again, luckily it ended there. Got sent to donkeytown for it though. Do I really deserve it? Four curses for killing someone who was fucking over town and refusing to stop, and someone who tried to kill me for that. Cursing system is really stupid since people just curse without knowing any context at all. I bet if I had lost the fight with the guy trying to stab me, and I told people to curse him when I had been stabbed, they would have. Right now people just curse whoever has a bloody knife without even asking why, and it's seriously stupid.
#15 Re: Main Forum » [Corrected] - Temperature Update - Potentially not so bad. » 2019-02-16 05:54:00
You overheat in desert literally no matter what. Here is screenshot of me on the edge of desert sorounded by snowmen. StILL overheat.
#16 Re: Main Forum » Photography Contest! » 2019-02-16 03:35:48
#17 Re: Main Forum » first game after donkey town... i enjoyed donkey town more » 2019-02-16 03:14:16
You seem a lot more positive now. Just sort of realized that since you were sent to donkey town, I feel a lot more justified having killed you haha. Sort of confirms my suspicions to a certain extent, even if you were not planning on griefing that life.
#18 Re: Main Forum » first game after donkey town... i enjoyed donkey town more » 2019-02-16 03:04:07
Heyo. Registered just so respond to this thread. I am June Naro.
I tried to starve you two because twins are beyond broken in the game's current state. If twins are even mildly competent, they can easily wipe out very big towns. My personal policy is if I see twins doing anything suspicious at all, I kill them. Also if I birth twins I don't let them live. One of you did /devious as a child while spam clicking something. That just comes off as trolly and there is no reason to risk the entire town to let two twins live. I only managed to starve your girlfriend. You were not watering bushes afterwards. You spent all your time telling people in town to kill me and curse me. Not even sure why you would lie about that. But yeah I snowballed you to death as a result. You would clearly be a problem for me and probably would not stay in town to help it since your twin died. Again, sucks that I feel like I have to do this, but complain to Jason to fix twins. They are way too powerful currently. If they are fixed I will let a lot more twins live.
Also you can only curse for an hour after someone has died, so cursing me every two hours will do nothing, execpt maybe the first time.
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