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So today I decided to see how people react to a witness claiming to see a murder. I was in the Bono village tonight and told our queen that a guy killed a baby (that didn't exist) and she didn't go and ask anyone what truly happened. I had the queen follow me and she hit someone with a bow when I pointed out a random guy.
Next thing I know the queen got stabbed, the stabber got stabbed, that stabber got shot by bow, then about 10-15 moments of peace. After the peace I decided to claim that the queen killed all my babies, to which a white knight came to help and shot the new queen with a bow. Eventually a guy (named Phoenix) kept healing a real killer after they got stabbed (3 times if I'm correct), and he told me that people are trying to find a justifiable reason to kill. I told him that I bet he wouldn't be able to stop himself from doing that act as well, to which he challenged me back.
I told him that all the violence was caused by the race we were, to which he eventually got pissed off and shot me with an arrow and he got stabbed by the newer queen. I cursed him, and 11 others did too. It kind of shows how horrible and messed up humanity is. We don't look for ourselves, we just believe whatever is trendy at the moment to fit it!
Chaos4Horseman, I know others have complained that people don't pay attention and that if they try to kill griefers, they end up being cursed. I remember Pein and Futurebird talking about it once. I believe Futurebird's suggestion was something along the line of be mindful of how you present yourself when you kill someone.
Of course, if your business is killing griefers, then there will eventually be some who misunderstand and who respond in less constructive ways. But there probably are ways for you to shape the environment in your favor, especially for someone who has displayed skills of leadership.
I wonder if Jason could add something like an uncurse that takes a curse away from the cursed individual. Basically like the person who cursed that individual has like 10-15 minutes to uncurse if they realize they've cursed them by misteake.
I've actually had some nice recent lives where nobody cursed or killed me for catching griefers because I was either a humble gardener or I was babysitting the babies. I even got an eve to join our village and dismantled our knives (except 1 for bakery) and swords, hid the arrows, and wrote notes so the eve could understand us and we taught each other our languages. Although there was one individual who made an arrow and got the bow to kill a young girl from that eve family (about 3rd or 4th generation). We saved her though, and I used the bakery knife to kill him. Since people knew me they didn't curse me, which was nice. The person who killed that girl though got cursed by 17 people and I'm sure they must've been sent to donkey town. Funny thing, I've never been there, so I don't know what it's like.
By the way, this is a question that is a bit off topic, but how do we change our names on this site?
Anyway, sad to hear you want to go back to griefing, but is a free OHOL world.
I don't necessarily want to go back to griefing. I'm just stating it was more easier to play that way. People seem to support a griefer if they can give a decent and convinsing sob story.
I actually tried another life after wiping them out and didn't kill anyone. I wanted to see if people would let me starve my own children. I said every single baby I had was the same person who wanted to destroy the village. People supported my idea of this. I then let my last child (a boy) live and told someone when my child was old enough that they killed their sister. He got stabbed and shot by arrow by 2 different people.
Next I convinced them that the current person smithing was trying to make a knife, and he ended up shot by arrow. It's like a social expiriment playground in this game! After I grew old I admitted I lied about everything and someone killed me, but I cursed them. That person ended up getting cursed by everyone left in the village.
I don't grief by killing anymore, but I do use lies to see how it plays out. Most of the time they seem to believe me and take action first before asking for their side of the story. Until people learn to actually listen or watch, this game is doomed to be a candy store for trolling.
I was in one of the Cassidy villages today and a griefer came demanding a crown because some kid spammed the ill emotion in front of him so he had a bow and arrow ready to kill demanding a crown as "reimbursement".
He followed a baby girl around saying she'd go first until everyone died or he got the crown. When he was eating berries I grabbed his bow and killed him. I ended up getting cursed by eight people!
I got called a griefer for defending a baby girl! Next thing I know instead of being thankful, this dumb child threatens me with a knife to leave the village. I ended up living on the outskirts and she came at me demanding I moved further away...
I told her I didn't really know the area well, and she said "well then go die". I ended up going back into the village just to ignore her. She raised her kids to come harass me to leave because I "killed people".
When I tried explaining the whole situation to these kids they called me a "drama queen". I got fed up a bit and left the village again, but this time to build a arrow (there was a bow in the village) to kill her with to get back at her for the harassment. I waited until I was around 45-50 years in age and she was thus too old to have anymore kids. I shot her with the bow, and her kid was behind me already waiting to kill me before I got into the village (I had the bow in a backpack on my back, so shouldn't have been seen as a threat...)!
Three more people cursed me and I ended up in donkey town when I tried to play another life...
This is starting to make me wonder why I thought of giving up on griefing. Most villages seem to support the griefer because they're either incompetent, too trusting of the griefer, friends with the griefer, or too quick to learn from both sides.
I gave up and shut down my own troll group because I decided not to troll anymore, but this makes me wonder why I did it. I had more fun with trolling because I could easily convince anyone else that I was either killed by a griefer (the honest players), or make up a threat and they kill the person without asking.
I know how some griefing works and I usually killed a griefer before they did it. If a baby tries to touch weapons or medical equipment I autamatically thought they were griefers (I'd tell them not to touch that stuff first, and acted if I saw them do it again.). Other times if there is an argument I'd wait and here both sides and look for evidence of what happened, then act on it.
This though felt like the entire freaking village was full of griefers or idiots. I'm gonna give this another few days to see what I want to really do. At this rate I feel like griefing again because it seems more enjoying to play instead of actually being honest and getting cursed because I stop a griefer.
I ended up coming back to that village another life and wiping them out with 3 of my family members helping me. It felt very good getting back at them.
Anyways I hope you all have a nice day!
Chaos4Horseman wrote:Hey all I've decided to use my griefing by stopping griefers.
That's great news! Good luck on defending the towns. Guards are always welcome. I'm usually too busy with compost or food production to pay much attention myself, so I'm glad there's people like you out there.
If you ever find people who want to fight bears, perhaps you can ask them to do what Pein captured on this screenshot: Build walls! I don't think it is necessary to build the wall all around the cave, it should be enough to place one wall directly in front of it. Stone walls become old walls which survive decay, so it's really a gift to future generations!
https://i.imgur.com/DI7GAIe.png
Screenshot: Pein
I'll think about that.
Sadly nobody in game taught me how to build. Large cities seem to be more about gardening, burying, hunting, or war.
I'll try it though when I figure it out.
Hey all I've decided to use my griefing by stopping griefers.
Basically I catch them in an act, inform others to spy on them, and then I get them. So I practically grief the griefers.
I've had a kid once ask me where a bow was because they "wanted to hunt bears", I informed them there were no caves around us and he still said "better to be safe than sorry", I let him starve because I was certain he was a griefer.
Chaos4Horseman wrote:So if I'm ever ordered to slay a village I should pass the offer? Although wouldn't some people think that is griefing also?
My advice would be - if in doubt, don't do it.
If it feels wrong, don't do it.
If it feels right, do.
But if you do it, own it in the sense that you should make sure you'll be fine with consequences. Some may kill you as a baby or curse you if they find out. That too is part of the game, just as the ability to slay villages is part of the game.
And if the point of the game is to emulate the real world, then there is such a thing as war crimes in the real world.
Funny I was in a village today and this one guy kept following me with a sword telling me to put it in my backpack. I kept telling him no and that I wasn't interested. Then next thing I knew I get hit with a bow from him, and cursed by eight (8) people... because I didn't "support my village". They just wanted to raid because they wanted to claim another village for thier own.
Guess I griefed them...
@Chaos4Horseman,
there seems to be a few things to untangle in your arguments.
First, good ideas about how to add some value to strangers. I'm all for, hopefully Jason does something about it.
But now to the idea that "people" don't care about attempts of redemption and that one might as well be a griefer:
Let's make a few assumptions first.
1. Everybody is the center of their own universe. They can't not be. It's "me", the person I have full knowledge of (sort of), and "you"/"everyone else" who I can make assumptions about, but only after I see what they do or listen to what they say. Or I can make assumption about them based on what I think I know about someone else who are like them in some way.
2. Every villain is a hero (albeit sometimes a tragic one) in their own eyes. Every villain has some form of explanation that redeems them in their own eyes.
3. This is just a game.
In the game, as we have already talked about, letting strangers live is a risk. Strangers have one ability only that family does not have, and that is the ability to wage war. This means that somewhere down the line, if you let a stranger live, their descendants might kill your descendants. By eradicating them, you have made your town safer.
Personally, I think that "my mother told me to do it" is a valid RP reason. However, if you find a village, there is still tens or even hundreds of hours of work gone into building that village. The people you kill might be in the middle of a project that they think is fun. When you end it, it is hard for them not to conceive you as a griefer.
Now, just like having strangers around is a risk, having griefers around is also a risk. If it is okay to eradicate a village just to be safe, then it should also be okay to kill a baby you believe is a griefer just to be safe. It's the same argument.
I believe (not knowing anything about you, just assuming based on my (certainly limited) knowledge of human beings), that the only reason this feels different to you is because in the act of slaying a village, you were not the victim, and so you have no incentive to try to understand the victims. In the act of baby killing you were the victim, and so it feels wrong to you that others didn't make an attempt to understand you.
The thing to remember in all of this is that it is just a game. Whether you choose to be someone who ends other people's fun (a griefer) or a decent person who tries to have fun with other people instead, that is up to you. You're not hurting anyone's bodies or souls. All your choices will result in is that perhaps someone you interact with will decide that this is not the game for them, and leave.
However, do not fool yourself into thinking that "other people deserve" a certain form of behavior from you. In the long run that way of thinking will only harm you. It's not about them. It's about you. What kind of person do you want to be?
You see, whether people accept someone's attempt of redemption or not is irrelevant. Redemption does not come through other people. It comes through you. If you know what to do, and you do it, and you don't receive the acknowledgement you deserve - you still knew what to do. You still did what you had to do. That's a win. Don't let anyone else bring you down. Acknowledgement is nice and all, but it doesn't beat being the person you want to be and the confidence that follows.
So if I'm ever ordered to slay a village I should pass the offer? Although wouldn't some people think that is griefing also?
I still haven't try to kick your ass though. Don't let me catch you lol
I can do pvp any time you wanna. Gonna go try to play a normal life now. Let me know if you wanna play sometime. Anyways, have a good night, I am gonna close my browser now.
PS: I have never been called names before but I wouldn't resort to murders or griefing. Been called Gay before but no one in the village likes that punk anyway. I find 90 percent of players are very decent hardworking people
Well I didn't use to murder/grief. It started when someone told me if I wanted to get back at the person who called me those names to kill them. That was by my own in game mother at the time. I used to just ignore, but after having that happen every time I played and for 12 days strat I got mad and did that.
I just don't get why people are mean to others, it kind of shows that humanity will never be at peace, which is sad.
Thank you for being the one person here who was kind to me here. I'll actually do what you said and lay low for a bit instead of just fueling the fire. Hope I can just play normal without anyone being a jerk, and I'm sorry to hear how rude people were to you too.
Hope you have a great morning, day, night wherever you are. Thanks again!
No one ever said road to redemption is easy.
Should have really considered the conseuqences. Good luck whatever your decide.
So I should just let people walk over me like the lady here does? Kind of dumb since people called me dumbass, noob, the r word, fag, etc... when I first started this game and was an actual nice player to begin with. That is what made me snap and do what I did. So you're saying I should forgive those people and stop? I don't know if I should since that would be easy for them.
People seem to praise youtubers for what they do, and yet a simple person who uses a game like this to make there life better get treated like dirt and get treated like it's there fault for trying to be nice after they do only one thing when they got mad.
Why am I supposed to say sorry to this lady in this home every time I saw what she does to me? Am I supposed to thank or forgive her for hitting me? Guess getting hit is funny to people these days and trying to get people to like you is bad. I only attacked the Genier when another player, my mother in the game, told me to. I wonder why I should still listen to the other players since I get stuff like this happening to me for doing what I was told...
Next time I play and someone tells me to kill another I won't. I don't care if that person kills the entire village, it'll show that I am not doing anything bad, because you get killed for killing even if it's a good thing. So I don't care whatever happens!
Well I've found out something. People don't care if you try to make up for your past or your mistakes!
I was in a village and someone asked if I knew how to use a sword. So, I told them yes because I was the one who took out the Genier. Next thing I knew I got killed with a bow and cursed by everyone. Told a mom the next life and got abandoned and starved. Told an older sibling and got stabbed. Told a baby I had and they came and stabbed when older, etc...
I'm starting to think I shouldn't regret what I've done anymore. I felt bad earlier, but since people can't let you grow from mistakes or learn from your past why should I bother?
I'm gonna do more of it now than I used to! I don't care what anyone thinks. I get beat in this group home I live in if I don't say the lady is nice or good to her boss, so why should I care what feelings anyone has in a game? If I tell the boss anything bad the lady did then all I get is told that she is doing her job and I am making it up...
That's why I do what I do in the game, I try to make myself happy by doing that. I tried being nice at least 13 times and that's all I've gotten from it. Nobody cares about nice things you do, they only remember the bad!
I give up on trying to be a nice player to others anymore. If this is what I get for telling people that I'm trying to make up for my past then I don't want it... People expect you to be nice to others, but when you had enough of someone being mean to you, they don't listen. So I'm done trying to be a good person in this game. I will become the bad guy instead!
As far as I know I've seen all of his videos, two (you saw one) he has done killings. One was what stated earlier, one to kill a family line. And nah, I personally don't see these as griefing, killing is part of game-though there *should* be a way to live harmoniously with another family, it's just not possible at current game mechanics. It's not even possible to live in single family, but at least you can curse etc (did mechanics of that get so one could curse other lineage or even people with no surname? Idk, I don't curse easily).
I don't know what they could do to make it better and get people to like joining families. Maybe something like only another person outside of your family can help cure other families from diseases including yellow fever. Maybe some other diseases could be implemented to help make this happen, like dysentary. They could also try to make it so walls or floors need another person outside of a family to help build it (kind of like an immigration need), or an in-game economy so you can sell items to other villages which gives each village more resources.
So, please define griefing (hopefully what Twisted's done), I don't like to define mine since it's so much worse than, say, wasting all sheep (easily replenishable/prevented/limited trouble) or picking up/not picking up some plants. Or Twisted never leaving one corn to dry out (I find it odd). What kind of griefing is later stage of town having 6 rows of extra seeds ?
Well that's what I'm saying people have different opinions on what griefing is. I have seen some people let the entire carrot farm turn to seeds because it wastes soil. I only go after people outside of family in the village and I ask for permission first before I do it. If told not to, then I usually farm, get wood/food/soil from the wild, or I help feed babies and people who are afk.
Edit: I've travelled world IRL and where-ever I go I see people littering landscape, whats up with that ? I do make a point to pick up one more trash than I make, where-ever I go.
It is very sad that people actually litter. When I was a kid my mother spanked me if I ever dropped garbage on the ground outside and walking away without picking it up. I work as a janitor at a school irl and some of the students call me a "garbage eating tree hugging fag" for just doing my own job. I do pick up litter whenever I can on my own time as well. I mostly did griefing to releive myself of stress because I live in a group home (sence I am slihtly aotistic) and they don't let me play games like gta, cod, other... becauze they are to violant. They let me get this game becauze they thaught it looked cute and they don't know it can be violant. I also watch youtube videos and ask if I can get a game if I like the videos of it.
Did I answer the question you wanted me to answer?
Chaos4Horseman wrote:So would you say what I did was griefing then?
Read your message #26, there I stated you were not griefing and you quoted that exact part saying I thought you were griefing ? I don't understand. (Edit: nah = nope = no)
Sorry I'm a bit dislexic so I might've read the name wrong and thought you were someone else. In a second I'll see if I can find that post you wrote and answer your question.
Greifing: I'm going to wipe out that village for the lulz like I do every time I play
Not Griefing: We need that towns resources. Time to take what we need.
Not Griefing: Ok, today for this life I will play as a mercenary. My village elder has asked me to take out another village.
Well I do ask my village elders and mother if I can take out the villages. If they say no I just find something else to do. I had a mother who told me to wipe out the Genier before I was even old enough to pick up things because apparently one of them took a bag from our village.
One was what stated earlier, one to kill a family line. And nah, I personally don't see these as griefing, killing is part of game-though there *should* be a way to live harmoniously with another family, it's just not possible at current game mechanics.
So would you say what I did was griefing then? Because I see different opinions on what is considered griefing and what isn't. People claim killing anyone outside of family is griefing (Twisted did do that in that one particular video), and some say it isn't.
You can claim he wasn't griefing by stating the village was dying out, although did they want/give permission for him to do that?
(And yes, I have to concur that unfortunately right now there's no real incentive to keep strangers alive in this implementation of the game, which I find sad...)
Perhaps maybe something like for each person that is outside of a family in the village gives each player another box on the food bar, or perhaps he could implement diseases other than yellow fever so if a person outside of the family feeds the other family they get cured?
I wonder how that'd work though.
invite me to group and if i got time, i can drop coords and data to you on living lineages closeby
other than that just leave some paper behind
and gather stone, flat rock and shitwe can do prop fence , maybe some viever spots with popcorn
https://i.imgur.com/4gTg7AM.png
quick sketch like thishas the advantage of having a middle spot for viewers
then a gat one way out so they decide the fate
also covers i nbow fights as you cant shoot across fencesmaybe some extra obstructing objects and items on floor to mess up with the knife fights
too bad jason changed the aim, gets quite dumb this way, no good dodging possible
May I use this as an idea with your permission? I'll give credit even. I might make it either a bit larger or more wide if alright.
i started a road in Yum town toward Brave town
with a group like that you could make a road and an arena to the middle
and old woman and males could kill each other for fun and giggles
creating a tradition which wont hurt families
Something like that would actually be great! People could even record their matches and we could make it into something like WWE.
How does that even make any sense? I have no need to put on a mask here.
Internet tough guy pretends to be tough irl, pisses pants when someone calls them out.
But we will kick your ass if you try. Do you really want to play this game trying to kick ass and get ass kicked?
Would like to see you try. You sound like you beat women and children in real life. Are you putting on a mask here to act tough?
To all those thinking I'm griefing in a bad way, what I actually do is I attack people outside of my family. The only time I have ever attacked someone in my family in this game was that one person.
What I'm saying is that I had regret taking them out since they were part of my family!
When I first played this game I asked what I should be and my mother told me they could use a villain in that big city. So I said no since I didn't want to hurt people from my family. This actually gives me a chance to play the villain, like an overlord type.
I'm sorry if I've offended anyone here, but you could basically call me the Hitler of OHOL except I don't blame a specific race, I attack all (unless they're my family).
Don't try to make me to be an asshole because I've read posts on this site and had real experiences in game where there is slavery. I don't do that though! I just wipe them out and go die somewhere away from the village I attacked.
In real life there has been evil dictators rising to power and trying to conquer. I want to play as a demon though, but a ying-yang type of demon. Where one life good actions are done, and the other life something bad befalls people outside of the family. Any time I'm playing as good in a life I don't harm anybody including people raiding our village because I try to be good.
I don't do useless griefing like some do like letting carrots turn to seeds, wasting resources on potatoes, killing family members, destroying tools, wasting/hiding food, etc... All I do is sort of make a challenge to other people in a way. Think of it as a way for families to improve on village security. If only one person could take them out, then they should improve security. I do NOT attack villages that are incapable of making swords. If I walk around and see no swords I leave and find another village. I like a bit of a challenge myself (like the Geniers, except only one guy chased me even though they had 5 swords...).
Call me whatever you want, but I'm sure most of you done griefing of your own and think you did good. I've had a mother once let me starve because I explained what I did to the Genier and she abandoned me. You can bet that is somewhat a form of griefing itself. If you've ever hid weapons that is griefing as well. Anything can possibly be claimed as griefing. Even new players get accused because they accidently break a hoe/axe.
By the way I have seen some of Twisted's videos and can confirm he is a griefer as well!
Hello everyone. I don't know if you can consider what I have been doing griefing, but I do have a sort of regret for my action. This game has taught me emotions I never even knew I had!
I got into the game after watching a youtuber play it. I usually try to spawn in villages that have swords or are capable of making them. In a bit I'll get down to telling you what I've done.
So I've seen how people treated the eves or any other families in a single village. I've been trained by quite a few people to end them once they arrive or show that they might not be best for the village (even if they are innocent/new and accidentally let carrots turn to seeds and a whole row is wasted.
I've gotten very used to doing that and got the idea from that same youtuber that the swords can be used to conquer other villages. Now I actually have done this once to a village and still feel pretty bad for it, but I try to make other people know of my actions as soon as I spawn in any village! I was once named Ella Jean II and I was the person who slain the Genier family... I wiped them all out, and it's actually caused me to have regrets here and there.
The thing is when I inform other users of my past actions instead of being instantly killed I get asked to help conquer, slay, liquify, or wipe out other nearby villages...
This has caused me to pretend to prepare for an invasion, but I'll just run away for about a few hundred tiles (just to be out of sight in case anyone uses mods), and then come back. I then tell people a random number of people I took out and some random details. Yes I do lie just to make people satisfied.
Today I was in a village (I was named Bruce Wilson) and I took out someone (named Dickson Wilson) killing another person (Sophie Wilson) just because they didn't like the name they were given. I ended up tricking this (Dickson Wilson) person into a trust and used a bow on them behind their back!
I noticed this woman's kid (Brick Wilson VIII) was mad at me for killing his mother. He was just a child when she was dying and he just came and saw her die. He told me he would have vengeance upon me. Later on I decided to guard this village instead of what I was gonna do (steal a horse and run off with it because I already did something nice).
Just so everyone knows I own a troll group called The OHOL Four Horsemen, and I made the rules so we have to do something good or bad then vice versa the next life. So I was doing two good actions this life (or so I think). I don't know if I want to give up my group, but don't want to let it go to waste either! You can find this group on facebook if you want to check it out, but only join on your own choice!
Anyways, I noticed another woman die because she starved and therefore I adopted her son (Samuel Wilson). After quite a bit of time, and informing others of this threat from that kid earlier. I took a code of honor to defend the village from this threat and he came at me with a bow. He angrily questioned why I killed his mother, to which I didn't actually know what she was guilty of, so I said from rumor, which was she killed baby girls! I realized later after dying and checking the family tree that I mistakenly told him what she did. I did mention him killing that other woman I believe though. He then used the sad emotion and dropped the bow, informing me he no longer desired to end my life.
He no longer wanted murders in the village, and told me how he spent his entire life seeking to kill me. I decided that since I was the last living person from the times of those murders that I shall exile myself from the village. I notified my adopted son that I was going to leave and said my farewell, and he followed me with pies to feed me.
I decided that I could not let him feed me any longer and instead ran around in random directions until I starved. I figured I shall not remain in that village because I was the last living murderer!
Thing is I started another life and had a plan already thought out. There was a village with two different families living within it. I was planning to start a war between them by having one of the kids of the other family end my life with a knife and run around telling them they killed me. Then the two families would've most likely fought each other! Problem was, I couldn't go through with it... I told everyone instead to not curse or kill him. So I ended up dying for no reason.
Is there a way I can get back into the spirit of griefing or did this game end up changing me? I'll let you all know if I decide to give up trolling or not and if so, I'll give the command of the group to another person if they wish to be the leader.
Thank you anyone who has read this whole post and hope you all have a wonderful day!
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