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Watch this slight of hand occur with regards to phrasing. There's an issue of using abandonment in a way that doesn't at all reflect ownership. For example if I let my friend live at my house when I'm not there for a week under contract, it wouldn't be the case that I'm abandoning my house by giving temporary ownership. Also secrecy has nothing to do with ownership in any capacity, it's who is able to utilize the resource and to what degree.

Now it continues by using abandonment incorrectly it than follows from an incorrect conclusion in terms of having Jason define for you that your account is no longer useful (aka he's claiming a higher property claim than you have on the account that he legally stated would be "a lifetime account on the main game server and access to all future updates").

And finally the idea that because you could potentially allow someone to interrupt your game, which is faulty in terms of the conclusions but even if true, is not necessary at all for an account sharing system and doesn't add to the argument.

From reading this I think it can be summed up as Jason believes that if he thinks a user account doesn't have value to the user, regardless of what the actual user thinks with regards to his/her account, the account can be permanently blocked. This seems like this is a clear case of fraud with regards to the accounts and against the clearly stated agreement with purchasing the account, however I'm not a lawyer.

Credentials could be stored on the relay it depends, if you want to implement the protocol in a server trust way or have a no trust system where both clients talk through the account server and transmit the data, the former needing the actual keys to be stored on the client.

Correct you'd need a system on top to make sure access to the accounts was limited to only another person in an interval of time otherwise people could conflict temporary ownership by booting other people playing out, in the case for instance of the Tarr account that happens whenever someone else joins, while someone before was playing. Gene score yes is would affect the account.

This system theoretically makes it totally safe to temporary share an account key (without sharing login details) with another person, and the other method with requiring you to trust the server is safe as long as the server can be trusted (Hence a trusted server model).

Just full disclosure, In case people get confused.
Those are direct messages between me and toxic that I sent to whatever/hetuw for more evidence, as I remembered at that time Toxic also told me before I knew about the account phishing that he attempted to create a modified awbz client to phish with it, because he told me he didn't publish it I took it as credible at the time as I thought why would he tell me if he was actually doing this. Little did I know it was foreshadowing to what he was doing.

Also the reason for communication with him in the first place was that he wanted cross-compiled python code for my open source modded client OpenLife as a back-end architecture for building bots in the game (OpenLife would deal with reading object data and sending and receiving messages from the OneLife server) the bot infrastructure was all on his side.

I hope that clears anything up, please don't hesitate to reach out to me, I feel sick to my stomach and I'm sorry for not knowing sooner.

Currency needs to have value on it's own. You can't simply just start trading cards if no one wants cards. A currency needs to start out as something that is commonly traded, focusing on property is what needs to occur not currency, as that will occur naturally based on the game's items in circulation from a market.

Yes your patches are a great reference for new features, they've been very helpful. No worries the map project is amazing and you should keep working on it.

Hey thanks so much! I just read your "Suggestion: Collaborator" post on the forums, I think it's an amazing idea, and we could implement it in this project. And absolutely I would love any type of help on the programming front, I can help you on board onto the project, is there a decent means to message you like discord?

It's been slightly difficult keeping up with all of the protocol changes to the client. My issue comes from alot of the non server related undocumented things coming such as the need to manually step into a non native biome and things like that. It seems the client will continue to need to become more sophisticated and developers like myself (probably only me currently) follow outside of the protocol.txt specs.

Not a worry time wise I know you're quite busy, I'll start with the editor and get the basics done that way by replication. Great to hear you like the idea behind the project it means a lot, and I will take your advice on asking wondible thanks

Very interesting concept, I'm impressed you went in this direction of limiting factors, on players, I'll try to give my insight earlier on discord, but articulated and more thought out.

My general understanding is, setting up trading is a full time job, there is no automated market in this game, trading occurs in the trenches within populated cities, and various indicators as you said (such as the tools you are holding or the actions you are doing) help figure out if engaging with a person to trade is worth the time or not. My thought however seems to be that in order for trading and by extension characters skills to function in the intended way. A market system must be founded and maintained for each town across the generations, as you seem to agree with.

This is an probably the most important step, as you said necessary. If this knowledge is not easy to come by. Chaos will ensue. Towns need to indicate and easily direct new players to already established networks of professions and mentors, in order of

but also the player component of set trade networks and agreements, these agreements take previous time, and should not need to be redone every generation, rather it's imperative that these trade institutions can easily be made multi-generational if it is solving a problem for the village and has high demand.

However there is a lot of issues of maintaining such a system practically.

Firstly the incentive to participate in a profession and cooperate needs to be greater, then attempting to steal for resources not personally able to be obtained solely.

Second, a new player system (new player joins profession) needs to be extremely clear and simple to participate in (with or without a knowledgeable mother)

Thirdly professions have to scale depending on demand rather then shear interest alone, for instance everyone wants to be a log cutter because of a new update on it, and everyone starves as a result. The demand for a tool set needs to be clear and simple to find.

Ideas for the three problems.

Signs come to mind for the first one, however you are opposed to them everywhere from a game design perspective, so why not have a way to build pre made signs for different shops such as "wood", "food", "water", "cloths" etc. They should be relatively easy to make and be bound with property as a requirement. Late rift people could mass produce maps to hand out to people to give the location for blank shop.

Second problem, the location of the first problem is key, but than the extra step to find someone to bring you into the profession and familiarize you, there needs to be a heavy incentive for the mentor, one idea is to make it a mutual thing where by mentoring someone you both have your skills increase as a result.

Third is quite hard with a primitive market, however one idea could be over-saturated professions would have a way to easily inform people of potential trade opportunities and encourage them to partake in that lucrative profession vs the one posting the opportunity. No good ideas currently about implementation so let me know.

I hear you on wanting prices to be fixed by labor, I wrote calculations for it in order for trading bots like you're thinking. But I realized at the end of the day
the exchange rates will still be subjective and better quantified via supply and demand and subjective utility. Also not to mention exact labor rates remove profit which makes the trading endeavor in game at the end of the day no more efficient and keeps prices static regardless of the disconnect between supply and demand.

You can pick up, drop and craft objects instantly without having to wait for the animations, and this isn't new to milkweed's client at all. You can do the same with hetuw via space bar or shift space bar, and wondible's patches as well.