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Very clever. If I wanted to start killing, I would also hide all weapons

What I think (despite low weapon variety and lack of karma). People lacks communication. Writing is dangerous, slow and wastes time. When 1 kill occur, the whole settlent is distracted by it and it is hard to detect what happened, also because lack of view. People are killing each other because  of suspicion.  Solution to so many things would be to include by Jason better resolution in native.  Also, voice chat.

I don't know what happened. We quickly established farm with mother, there was always something to eat. Yet, all my family died in the wilderness
http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … &id=258650

This is true, but there is more. Farmers were starting in grasslands or in forest. Grassland is better, does not require fire to start farming. But nowadays, most of suitable grassland is claimed for modern farming, leaving for primitive tribes burden tropic forests. In such area, to start farming, you indeed need to deforest it. Even advanced farmers in Brazil do it, destroying slowly this rainforest and leaving burden land behind.

While I don't think it is wise in longer terms, I want players to be able to do it and eradicate area. Because endless fields of hardened rows make more drama, than just empty soil pits.

This a good oportunity to remove soil moving, as it does not occur IRL (Germans tried it in WW2 and failed). Soil pits also not, as something immediately starts to grow on such a thing.

Soil management
1. No soil pit. Tilled row created by using hoe on the ground.
2. Every crop, possibly including gooseberry, hardens tilled row after gathering/removal
3. Tilled row ceases to nothing after like 10 minutes.
4. Hardened row ceases after like 60 minutes.
5. Hardened row can be removed (tile reclaimed for building and farming) with compost immediately.
6. Hardened row can be removed with worm after like 20 minutes.
7. Without soil pit, worms can be obainable randomly from digged carrots, burdocks and shovel holes.

Sustain would be even harder this way, as tool cannot fix hardened row, you need dung or worm. Before dung, players will need to apply nomad forest-gardens (farm untill burden, then move) or medieval two-field system. This is creating more management. Rushing for sheeps (cattle?) would be even more important.

Gooseberries:
1. Make cycle: vigorous (11minutes)-> fruting (1 minute). After gathering no fruit replacement, goes to languished. This way we simulate one month fruting period present IRL.
2. Fruiting-> languising -> dry. Watering still needed, even more than currently.
3. Gooseberries outside bowl/basket quickly dissapearing
4. On transition-> languishing give random chance to change to dead bush. Domestic bush should not live forever (wild also, but it is for another topic). Make average livespan to about 30 years (blueberry can live up to 50 years, could not find info for blueberry).
5. Digged out blueberry may leave hardened row. But it is not necessary.

This way, we remove storage capacity, while still mainaining soil management superiority. But now, gooseberry is long term, very problematic investment.

Applying this to wild gooseberries will create bigger need for onions and burdocks. Place them where soil was removed.

Also, i agree: putting fresh food into compost seems stupid. IRL, in 3-field system, the fallows was left for cattle to leave there dung. It was much more effective than industrial-scale compost crafting. It would be fun, instead from crafting compost, bring sheeps on hardened rows to fix them. We got this way field rotating, much more management, and need for shepherd dogs. But it seems as too big change for now. Soil removal and season fruting would be enough for this moment.

If you don't make suggestion about lassos able to catch player/mouflon/sheep, I will do it. But nobody never listens to me, so it is better for you to do it

Are you sure? Maybe in past? You can grief with barehands: remove shaft. But flint chip?
https://kazetsukai.github.io/onetech/550-Fence

Just to close the phantom topic: Jason established his own way of water management and confirmed, there will be no area effects ever.
https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewt … 885#p15885

So, I decided to make a workaround for game lore This topic is important to me, because IRL I made with my father 7 meters deep well, with shovels, buckets, lines etc. And we made it on swamp (water table usually 1 meter below ground). Father hoped to reach underground waterflow levels, but we had to go trough waterproof clay. My father did not listen to me (I was skeptical), yet still I had to obey him. So we wasted 2 months to create rain storage Good for garden, but not enough for house. As usual, I was right, but nobody listens

IRL, swamps are naturally created when water cannot leave certain area, like river delta or place with waterproof ground levels, so water cannot flow into ground. The main source of water in swamps is rain. Therefore, swamps are very bad at replenishing water: they just store it. Once dried, swamp will refill very slowly. This is why swamps and swamp ponds are very bad places for wells.

However, we did not see any rain in the game. Maybe transpiration is not strong enough, especially without rivers and seas, to create rain? But ponds are replenishing water and are the only place possible to build wells. This means, ponds in OHOL are springs! The only places in the world, where water can flow from the underground, create pond and even spread around creating ponds. And wells, which are basically holes with less filter levels, can replenish water even faster.

But Glassius, why can't we build well immediately? The answer is: did you try to dig in water? You have firstly to remove all water, in order to dig deeper. Now the order make sense -> dry the pond -> build a shallow well -> dry the shallow  -> build a deep well

This is the only solution and I would be glad if Jason confirms But what does it mean for us?
1. Very poor worldwide evaporation means, there are no rivers nor seas. Sad, but lore consistent.
2. There will be no area effects. Everything will be always handcrafted, even using machines. No aqueducts, production lines etc
3. The next tech level would be something to reach even deeper in the ground. So, maybe water pumping windmills, as the final construction? No engine pumps, which require fuel.

1. Chill
2. There are many ways to enjoy game. Crafting is an option. Exploring. Killing others
3. In game, kids are not result of love, but budding. Our chars replicate like bacterias and their lives is worth the same.
4. Because you care so much about ingame chars, but you aborted forum user Alleria, it would be a pleasure to kill you as your baby and avenge her. It would make so much drama

I was suiciding myself multiple times. Usually, because I wanted to play a certain role, like shepherd or smith. Because we have no spawn options, I had to waste my time, my Eve mothers and all my kids, when I became female smith. And we are doomed to wasting time, because of involuntary budding.

At least it is good to know, what will not be introduced in the game. The whole point with my phantoms was to use ingame, already present mechanics, but I guess there is problem, as it will be present in crafting references, but still not visible nor usable. Another problem is simulating distant tiles in case of pipes.

Jason, you are rethinking the problems for which a proposition was given a long time ago. And it would not solve current problems, only create new.

Swamp are naturally created in places where waterproof levels of ground don't allow water to go deeper into ground. Therefore, swamps are naturally a terrible place for wells, because you are building it in ground, which does not allow deep water to flow. The whole idea of well is to reach water-flowing levels. The current design, where deep well is refilling faster than shallow and never goes completely dry makes a great sense.
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Also, allowing wells to be built only on ponds, restricts them from building in bioms they seems to be naturally suitable, like deserts and savannas. Totally unimmersive and not realistic.

The current problem is well spam. It is possible, because objects do not interact with each other in the area. Why build cistern, when a well is even cheaper to make and has greater use? The future irrigation system, with canals, pipes or aqueducts will require objects to interact with each other.

Which is leading us back to the point: we need an area effects. I gave a proposition how to do it within current game engine with phantoms, but it seemed too complicated. I rethinked the idea, simplified it and I am making animation to show how it works. But it suppose, I will not make it in time before your well nerf will come to life. I will just put some pictures there instead, in hopes people will understand.
https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1808

No matter the refill rate, the simplest solution to water for players is to build another well nearby. You are just making it more tedious. Simulating area effects gives possibilities:
1. Restricts from well spam. You need to build next well far away and carry water back.
2. Gives cisterns use, as u actually need to carry water from far away.
3. Allows for canals, aqueducts and water pipes in future.

Yeah, craft a knife, when you have plenty of axes, hoes, shafts and rocks nearby Welcome to rage quitting