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I really dont like the idea of not being able to breach the property at all. Sure I could starve them out but what if thry have tpns of food? What stops them from hanging on the door waiting for people to pass by only to stab them and taking one step inside their property?

What happens when multiple griefers make tons of small properties all around town where they can just flee inside?

This is absolutely broken

I actually kinda, sorta, like the idea. So many questions though.

• Might be best if a property could only be inherited by a single person afterwards. A sort of property heir. Perhaps you could name a hair somehow? "My heir is futurebird" could make futurebird "own" the plot afterwards.

• What happens with children? Would they need to be added individually? Would they inherit the access?

• Would members of the "household" be able to remove themselves? Lets say a couple of them want to go out and open a new farm on their own plot, can they just leave?

• How big of a plot would you allow? Buildings can be huge, would you allow people to have huge plots?

• How can someone "fight" against a plot? Lets say they are hoarding all the food from town. Can people go and "invade"?

• How can people never be trapped inside their plots? What if I build a 8x8 plot and then 8 other people build 8x8 plots around me?

• What if I don't have access to the plot? What if I'm already inside? Do I get teleported out?

Players need be able to counter all this though. Property rights should be enforced by players and not by some God ability.

Maybe instead of all these elder super powers and special magical fences. You could just add to the game a sort of a cheap but blocking fence you could build that wouldn't be that difficult to create. (maybe a fence made of round rocks?). Then focus all this "magic" on a special "gate"/"door" that doesn't require locks and is controlled by a single person.

Doors/gates/fences could be deconstructed by anyone just like any other item in-game. If you don't like people breaking into your area you need to protect it yourself. The magic door/gate would just allow you to bypass locks in favor of some list of names.

It doesn't make sense for everyone to make everything. Makes more sense, specially as we get more and more tech, to have families specializing in something. The "makers mark" only makes sense if everyone makes everything independently. Why even have the mark if it doesn't correlate to ownership?

What if in a town we have a family that specializes in smithing and crafts all the shovels? How are you going to determine who "owns" a shovel?

What if another is a Shepard family and also does crafts wool clothing? How are you going to determine who "owns" a sweater?

What if I hire some homeless people to help out with crafting. Will they "own" the items now?

You wouldn't need to "hardwire" anything. Just adding a tag on an item with the name of the family who "/claim"ed it should be enough for players to enforce it themselves. No need to stop others from using it or anything like that. Players would just need information on who claimed the item when they pick up the item for example. Ideally a visual indicator like a hue on the item picked up would also give it away.

I really don't believe you can have any sort of social structure besides a hippie commune without private property. And you can't have private property without being able to enforce it. And you can't enforce it without information (who and what).

I seriously believe Jason and some others are jumping the gun on trying to add continuity of lifes into a single lineage/town.

Adding in some sort of family unit mechanic where your immediate family matters, not the entire town, is a better way.

Family unit ownership of items or anything they harvest for example is a good way to split towns into multiple families and create potential for conflict in communities where right now there is none.

What happens when a single family hold the monopoly on knifes/bows? Will they demand protection money? Will people revolt somehow? Will castes/nobility naturally raise from imbalances of power between family units? Will delegate some the "military" power to a select number families that will be tasks to ensuring order?

Every major drama in human history derives from conflicts between different family units. Without family based ownership we are reduced to be anarcho communist hippies instead of simulating an actual  life.

Towns are dying not because of lack of incentive but because the area ban and the birth allocation (based on yum/warmth) conspire to make a town banned from most of the community after a certain point.

Really curious to see how you are going to pull that one off Jason.

How about a sort of item ownership?
1) Players could engrave items.
2) Engraved items "belong" owner and can be "legally" used by the owner's family unit.
3) Engraved items can be "ungraved" and made free for all by members of the family unit.
4) Engraved items can be still taken and used by others but the engraving will remain.
5) Items can be inspected for engravings to determine who the items belongs to.
6) Engraved items have a distinct red hue when used by someone who "has no right" to the item.

Family units could be either just lineages or direct descendants from head player. Maybe the head of the family unit could designate who belongs to that unit and who doesn't. Allowing for adoptions, expulsions or people leaving to create their own units.

Small communities with individual private property "rights" did not rely on locks for the majority of human history. People know who owned what and theft was discouraged by simple social norms and the ease with which that theft would be discovered.

This system could allow for people to still use items cooperatively: ie, a smith family could "own" the smith building and items such as smith hammer, the iron and even the resulting products such as shovels, axes or hoes. Workers not from the smith family could still go and work on the smithy as "employees" using the tools the smith owns.

Perhaps people who worked for the smith (who gets paid in pies for example) could eat the smith food in exchange for the work they do.

All this ownership will (I believe) inevitably bring the necessity of some sort of monetary system to allow different families to facilitate the exchange of services between "competing" units.

If the only way to progress past a certain point was to wage war then it would inevitably happen. Not 100% of the population will want or be willing to fight in a war, just like in real life.

But there will be people who will do it. Or the town/family will die.

Great update!

Here are some minor issues I noticed:
1) Dug Wild Tomato Plant don't decay and can't be destroyed.
2) "Dug Wild Peper Plant" has a typo and also doesn't decay and can't be destroyed.
3) French fries have the same food value as french fries with ketchup
4) no stacks for onions, tomatoes or peppers!
5) can't eat raw onions, tomatoes or peppers
6) no chance of getting old boot from net throwing

I'm a big fan of trying to follow my mom's job. That's how societies organized themselves back in the day.