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So you were the one I kept force feeding sauerkraut when you were lagging out in Hope's for a bb girl. Jim here and glad we could keep the storm a rolling.
@hihibanana, cause I'm on my mobile and dont want to edit the quotes lol.
I've got no rebuttals on the streamer portion since I lack the knowledge to form any educated guesses or opinions.
Force feeders have been less common now a day since weve got the different food options, but I'll still see them from time to time. Typically the new force feeder is a mom who is fertile and feeds her kids berries. Some of them dont know they breast feed and when informed they breast feed, others dont care and in one instance the mom started force feeding me.
My idea of a sponge transpires the standard "sit around and just eat". I consider those who want to do nothing more but build stuff sponges at times for example. I've seen many that will work on roads then run to the berries to eat and half of the berry farm is dying. After they fill up they run back to road building not even considering the idea of helping out the farm since "that's a job for children".
I'm not going to kill people for not doing things a productive way or for just working on their special projects. I kill people when they put the town at risk and it's not a call I like to make. I've had one life where I had a son who was roleplaying like he was a kid that could never do anything right. At first it was manageable and I would tell him hes doing good yadda yadda, but nothing swayed him. Near the end of my life he had grown very erratic in his behavior and was constantly yelling at people. Being one of the three knife holders I had to make a decision. Either i let him live and hope he doesnt make or obtain a weapon then start killing innocents or I kill him then and there. I killed him while he was smithing, that's when I noticed he had forged a blade blank and after he died someone pulled the file out from his corpse.
I had to step away and get a smoke after that life. I mean I was relieved that I did the right thing, but if I had let him live then he would have more than likely killed the only girl left in the family. What I'm getting at is these arent decisions most of us take lightly.
On another note you'd be surprised how little the amount of deaths are a result from murder even with the young children starving excluded from the totals. I've posted some excel stuff from a processor I use to get the public data into a workable format to check the stats time to time.
I dont hate you hihibanana, I think all of our issue is using a text medium to discuss this. So many things can be misread or misjudged in text.
@Ribbz
You'd be surprised how little people know about this game. The tutorial doesn't teach farming. Many people try to water the berries without soil first, and that's knowing you have to water the berry bushes. Also, not everyone is willing to watch others and learn. Some are looking around, constantly hitting the tab key to cycle through the recipes because they're simply confused. I'm sure you were at that point too. There are also particular people who are too shy to ask for help; it's not too common though. Also, the case of streamers doing an intro for their audience, talking to them about the game, or telling their audience how lost they are instead of listening to players around them.
Oh I'm not surprised in the least bit and you're right it doesn't teach farming, but if a person is not willing to observe they are not willing to learn. If observing and cycling don't work then they could always try ASKING for some help.
In the case of youtubers/streamers I highly doubt most of them are that lost in how to do things, but then again I'm not a youtuber/streamer.
If someone is force-feeding people, and you have plenty of food, I wouldn't worry about it too much. I've had a force-feeder in my village, but we never went into a famine, and no one killed them. If you are low on food, and you explained it, and they're not stopping, then that's when I wouldn't stop someone from punishing them.
Habitual Force feeders are always a problem no matter the scenario and should be considered a red flag. I've actually let a force feeder live, only told him to stop force feeding since A. it's wasting resources and B. someone might have a nice Yum bonus going and he'd unknowingly kill that. He kept doing it until he got old enough to hold a knife and stabbed me saying that I wasn't his mom and he could do what he wanted to.
If someone is just sitting there, eating food, I wouldn't kill them. They aren't purposefully or actively doing something to ruin other people's experiences, despite being told over and over again to do something.
I'm not saying just to upright kill a person if they are just eating and that's it, hell I'm typically too busy working compost or killing bears in the surrounding area so griefers don't lure them to town or new players don't get a scary surprise from clicking on it to micro manage a town. Plus how do you think a town gets low on food? Either from folk sponging the food and being unproductive, productive folks doing good things but not enough doing food related work, not enough crops with the current population of the family.
If the person is 100% confirmed griefer, sure. I would hesitate to be inspired by someone who claims they killed a griefer even though no one knows what the "griefer" did.
I'm not saying to believe any Joe blow who says they killed a griefer. If I told you to do that you'd be a victim to the False Claim tactic.
Some people are pretty sensitive (and would leave after one bad game). I've given people the benefit of the doubt in matters like this, but they never cease to surprise me. That's just my experience, however.
So you're saying if someone gets roflstomped in a game like Overwatch or Rust, for example, the first time they play it they'll never play it again?
I wouldn't trust Mirelli's judgement after killing me for such a little reason. It makes her look triggerhappy and unable to differentiate between a griefer and non-griefer.
That's your call and your opinion and you are entitled to it. I think highly of Mirelli and I believe she makes good calls.
So now I'm almost 95% sure this whole thread was some dressed up bait, but i'll bite the bait again it's fun.
@Ribbz
The players that blew you off probably didn't know how to do what you were asking.
Taking care of a berry farm is probably one of the easiest tasks any player can do. It's as easy as observing players taking care of the farm, hell you can learn just about any task or at least get an idea of how to do a task just by observing someone and when children say they don't know how to do something I teach them.
There are always other ways to deal with famine, other than killing your children.
You're absolutely right, before a famine strikes I'll tell what children I have to go out and live off the land for a bit until we get everything back right. It's not like we're just going up to people and stabbing them without saying anything. I'll ask people what they are doing and if they need a job, if they do need a job i'll give them one. IF I or someone else has tried dealing with folk multiple times and they continue to sponge or force feed people that's when I act.
But if you cannot do it any other way, then there's no stopping you.
I've tried many ways and to be honest when you kill a sponge/griefer that will typically get people back to work. Honestly those who kill a 100% confirmed griefer/s do good work and the town folk will typically come to that player for guidance/direction because they trust this person has the tribe's best interest at mind.
The consequence is that there are people who are new to the game you are killing, and there's a high chance they won't pick up the game again.
That's why folk typically ask if a baby is new and ask if a person needs a job if they are not doing anything.
On a side note I disagree with the idea that being new and being killed will increase new player turnover. Hell my second life i was shot as a baby, third life I was killed by a griefer that had fooled enough folk, and the most recent was from me killing another killer that was a triplet. Stabbed one triplet, second triplet shot me from behind a tree with a bow, third triplet patched the first triplet up. If a person is playing a game quits said game because someone else ruined their day then that is on them. In my opinion its more childish than the griefers.
It was Mirelli who killed me one of the lives I'm describing in OP. Is this person a griefer? I wasn't ever griefing, though. Not even the life previous.
I trust in Mirelli's judgement. She's been a great player and was actually the first person to take the time to teach me how to hunt and to compost.
I'm probably taking the bait by replying, but I can't help it.
I've included tldr after my walls of text for those who don't want to read the ramblings.
The problem is that people are labeling harmless acts as acts of grief. Killing random people is a playstyle thing, but pretending these people are purposefully trying to ruin the experience of others is something different. It's a mindset based on ignorance and lack of communication in many cases. Sometimes driven by mental health issues like paranoia or emotional instability. You could even say it's something people use to (falsely) justify killing.
So that's one way you could think of it, but I think it's more so culling the herd that is going on along with the "false claim" griefing. I'll start with the culling first, no idea how to explain it without a backstory so prep yourself or skim it, ill give a tldr.
So I remember in one session about a month ago I was playing as a female in a little shanty town. Had all the tools needed to fulfill food needs (stuff to process compost, deep wells, berry field, etc), the issue is we had people horsing around with their RP nonsense. I kept telling folk we needed to compost and that a famine was imminent, made sure to run into their field of few and say it multiple times to everyone. Everyone blew me off except one other female who worked along side me managing the food and sheep. She was very rough in her mannerisms and I assume it was Pein I was playing with since Pein always seems a bit rough in interactions, but typically has the well being of a civ in mind first. Aside from that the played how a veteran would, swapping items on the ground to decrease the amount of time/steps needed to complete a task and the like. I assume that we had a mutual respect between eachother that life due to how we were working together being PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY, when we had a child we would tell them something along the lines of "stick close, mom has to get this work done, f when at two bars", and the key ingredient to it all is that we were actively trying to control population through our own means. We had several children that we had to starve out due to the incoming famine, I hate having to do it but it has to be done at times.
As I suspected famine struck and of course it was most hands on deck trying to get berries and stew going again. The only issue is no one bothered to replant stew crops and berries would take 8 minutes i believe until they bore fruit. This is around the time that the player I assume was Pein had obtained a knife. This is when the culling began, it was easy to pick out who was not pulling their weight, and the maybe Pein was swift to act. Many people called her a griefer but i kept her fed, it has to be done if a civ is going to survive and people don't want to wrap their heads around that idea. We want the cream of the crop to survive fixing the civ in these times of peril instead of those who are not pulling their weight sponging on the last reserves of food while the good workers starve searching for food in the wild.
tldr, Civ was screwed by sponges and rpers, possible Pein got a knife and culled the herd in order to ration the last of the food while we fixed society.
Now on to the second point.
I'm very sure I wasn't the only one who was randomly killed, while the killer shouted, "griefer!" It's not a fun experience.
I'd give a rough estimate that 7/10 times this happens it's what I've referred to as the "false claim" griefer. The other 3/10 times is either a veteran or average player who has had a rough few rounds prior to this life and wants to catch the jerk that griefed their last life before they cause too much damage again.
The "false claim" griefer is a very subtle method and can be very devastating. Basically the griefer would first scout out someone who appears to be very new, carrot sponging, or just not getting work done. Now there is a side step that can be taken in order to increase the chances of folks believing the griefer and that is to premeditate the murder, (probably using premeditate incorrectly but you should know what i mean). So before making the move the griefer would tell a few folks, mainly those who already have a weapon in their backpack, they assume that player is the griefer, would give some false claims of why they think that, and to keep an eye on that player all out of ear shot of the target. Then they griefer can make their strike when they seem fit, maybe chop a ton of firewood into kindling and start a ton of fires near the target and then shoot the player claiming they are griefing the wood. At this point it's up to the other members of the family who to believe and if they should kill the actual griefer. If they applaud the actual griefer then the griefer has a reason to have their weapon. They "protected" the family and are deemed worthy, hell sometimes a person getting old will give their gear knife included to the actual griefer since they think that person is a good pick to keep it safe.
tldr, It's mainly a long-term griefing method when innocent get killed, but sometimes it just folk who are fed up with a griefer and want to kill the sob from a previous life to prevent major damage.
Just checked, not going to post your stats since that would be a breach of privacy or whatever.
But yes, you hit your quota
thats kinda low considering you should kill around 15 griefers per week with an average of 2-3 hours daily if you pay attention to the town you living in
Well hopefully you hit your quota
Taller?
I'm pretty sure Jony means higher considering were working with numbers.
Thank you very much Ribbz, I downloaded your excel file and I was reviewing it .. it's just what I was looking for
As a heads up that file from the public log thread is just the pivot copy or the summary sheet so to speak. I've got a separate processor to get the data into the format I currently use.
Since I've got the data lying around here's by Week day and hourly suicide. My totals changed for bb suicide, not sure what happened there but it's still in the same ballpark area as the last post.
And here for the murders.
Just going to drop these here, Please note the time zone is still GMT in these examples.
Murder count by day.
Murder count by account, just snipping the outliers.
BB Suicide using the same method of less than or equal to age 1.00
Now I want to find if killers, repeat murders in all the towns, villages and cities where he appears ...
This one is Special, it's what you wanted Jony.
LaughAtlantis wrote:Did you stab like eight people?
No I only stabbed one person and had another person on standby to patch her up but I guess couldn't, I died of starvation right after I stabbed her. I hope no hard feelings Ribbz. All done out of experimentation.
No hard feelings at all m8 it was for science
I was the old lady yes, but you cant heal a person stabbed by butter knife. It's similar to that bug where you'll get wounded by a bear but no bear wound appears on you to heal and you can still feed yourself.
Pretty sure it's me you stabbed, Rosa Blue. We were at the medic station ti patch me up after the stab.
Just so you know it was used as a griefing tool right after you starved
Oof, that answers my question on the news post about the update.
This could be fixed if we had QA testers. It's one thing to test the content, but it's another thing to attempt to break the content. Which is happening right now.
Hey Jason,
as you may have heard by now,
the butter knife is glitched in terms of its use in the murder mechanic,
and its breaking the rules of murder you have developed:
Slowed movement,
blood tipped knife,
murder cooldown
being prohibited from feeding yourself, etc...
all broken by this knife right now.
Pls fix.
Yeah just ran into this issue when someone was trying to clean their knife off and thought that stabbing would make it bloody.
Now the real question is, can we go on a killing spree with this now?
That has already been answered here. https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=3421
That'd give us a reason to actually dye the apron.
Now if only Jason will smile upon this idea.
Here's an idea, what if we could carry a sterile wool pad in the apron pouch?. That way a field medic wouldnt have to run to the medic station to hope all the sterile pads are still in the bowl and then hopefully run back and patch a patient up.
And yep, thank you for the experience, may the artwork speak for my gratitude.
Your work does speak for itself, hell I wouldn't mind a print of it as long as it was in a decent price range.
So I highly doubt you'll believe me, but its Jonathon here. If I'm not mistaken I had ran off with either a cart of baskets or a cart and died out in the wild, it's been a minute since that life.
When I first saw this post it seemed familiar and today I decided to check the public life logs to confirm if it actually was me. I used my life as "River Moist" as a starting point so I could check the encrypted email for that life and then I checked the email for "Jonathan Lucky" and it came back as a positive.
Glad that life left a positive impact.
Sources:
Jonathon's life, the player ID is 1026759
Server 1 Life Log
Server 1 Name Log
River's life, the player ID is 185821
Server 5 Life Log
Server 5 Name Log
Productivity is a choice not a obiligation. How you guys so firmed you hold the truth, thats every your words need be pay attention to?
The biggest fact is our eaqual born into the game, why you think who's ignoring is a waste of your time, but you killed a adults' all remaining life is not the biggest waste of her/his life!
Did you have a stroke?
But no you're a grief sponge if you are not productive. Who cares if you build a walkway if no one is left to walk over it because you chose not to help out with the farming.
I'll never understand you roleplayers.
I was Gyasi Gump, the boy who was trying to kill your "wife".
http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … _id=797000
A couple of things I want to point out.
Jack Gump II didnt love her, read her last words.
Jack Gump IV suicided, I'm guessing because this playthrough left a bad taste in her mouth.
2. I don’t give random kids backpacks with keys. That’s ignorant. If someone’s reborn in the town who is known as a good player, shouldn’t they get their belongings back? Previously, Juniper gave those things to Holland.
Oh you can give those items back sure, but its a child. Do you know I could have just swapped a BP with Holland's BP if I had one on hand? Because that's what I would have done if I had one to save my kid.
3. She was still young. If you are too small to travel out of town to gather things, you’re still considered fairly helpless from what I’ve heard.
That is the most pitiful thing that I've heard ever. Did you read that before you posted this? What do you think children do in an Eve run miss Eve? Like holy hell if you can't go out into the wild on your own with a berry in hand then you need to practice foraging more.
4. Only assume a person is a sponge if they have been sitting around eating nutritious food for many years. She had just gotten hair when she picked up a bowl of stew. She didn’t even eat it.
I'll be honest, I was past the point of giving a damn. I saw the kid sitting with stew in her hand that had a bite taken out of it.
5. If someone went up to you and asked for your backpack full of valuables for no reason, you’d tell them no too. When she refused, you hadn’t explained to her the situation yet.
Told the bb to drop the bag and followed up with the reason due to character limits. If you remember correctly you tried picking bb up to take it south and I did the same to show the situation but the bb kept jumping out our arms.
6. Dramatic effect.
So cute
Grey hair came. Baby ran over to me. From the original Moist family, unrelated to me. Lineage ban didn’t apply to Holland, he was reborn again. I named him Holland and gave him the backpack with keys.
The fact that you gave a baby a backpack with the keys is just silly.
My daughter River locked her child in the room that Holland III had the keys to.
I did not lock my child in the room, when the murder happened I was trying to help the kid and when i ran by the room I saw my child in the locked room asking for the door to be opened.
Got super mad when Holland was too small to unlock the door.
No I asked the child to drop the backpack so i could grab a key and unlock the door. I got mad when he said "no" "my" "bp" or whatever he said.
Started cursing at the innocent baby. I threatened to rip her eyes out and force feed them to her if she hurt my baby. I was angry and just plain tired of the murder.
I just quoted this because all you did was ask for me to not hurt the kid. Stop trying to make yourself look cool.
Apparently my threat didn’t work on her because she shot my baby. I stood in front of her to protect her but somehow the arrow shot her when I was in front. Yelled at my daughter who had the knife to heal her. She said that she wouldn’t and fed the murderer. They were in cahoots. Holland III died because my daughter wouldn’t heal her. She was being petty about it, because of the key issue Holland had misspelled “keys” to “kys.” I even told her that child was the one who helped find the griefer’s body, but she just sat around eating pie.
You're delusional we were not in cahoots she just agreed with me. Her with the "kys" thing was referring to the kid wanting the keys im pretty sure.
I had to leave so I never got the chance to shoot River for killing my sweet baby. All the while, River was making up shit about how Holland was a “griefing sponge” when she had literally just been born and was a helpless toddler.
http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … &id=798178
Your child was not a helpless toddler when she was shot. I was going to let everything go, but your previous was doing nothing but eating stew.
So yeah. I’m so sorry my sweet baby. Holland, you were such a sweet amazing child. I wish we had more time together. I wish we’ll meet again, that life was made special with you in it.
Screw you River and Scarlet. I’m ashamed to call you my daughters. You may have done some good but it doesn’t make up for killing my sweet innocent baby and spreading rumors thereafter. I’m disappointed in you.
If you’re reading this, Holland, we need to be twins sometime. Consider emailing me by checking my bio. I’d love to talk again. I love you, sweetie. Please reach out if you’re reading this.
I spread the truth unlike this exaggerated post, there is some truth to the claims but it's all muddled to demonize Scarlet and I.
I'm not proud of what I did, but whats done is done.
I founded this village at the end of my fertility years after spending my youth in a harsh and barren wasteland and abandoning my children there without any food by running ceaselessly upwards for countless tiles till I found a place with enough resources just enough to work.
Miraculously, I was blessed before the end; with one strong smart girl, and one good fast helperboy, and one more babygirl who got like eaten or something? (sorry)
I am so thankful though to see that I had finally founded my first +10 gen together with all of you 182 people if I counted correctly. The more players play, the more players will be good.- Eve Sthilaire
The run was almost cut short by lisandra, I had a feeling she was a griefer and spoke to Lauriel about it but we were unsure. That is until she shot Lauriel, so I waited for her to have a daughter and then ended her.
Your great grandson,
Leopold
Star Mouse II here http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … &id=790969
I crafted the arrows a long time back, when I was young I ran across a bear close to town and when I told everyone about it they just kept going about their business. I killed one and knew of another further west past the Savannah but we were in need of sheep and I got myself bit by a wolf. Made sure to make it back and let the town know where the bow and arrow was though.
Server 1 is down though :C