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It's true, I agree it doesn't make much sense when the game is as hardcore as it is.  Kinda hard to have drama when people are just doing busy work all the time.  This would make much more sense in a system where there weren't so many towns and cities generally were more established and people could afford to have their own agendas. 

But perhaps we're getting ahead of ourselves.  I'd be interested to see how this plays out in any case.

On further thinking, I think a small elder-approved locker sounds like a much more ideal situation.  This is more than enough for an individual, and if a sub-family wants a large area, that sounds like they should put in the effort for a full on house.  You'd still be able to gift your locker to people, and if your family has enough lockers together, that'd be a cue to get building.  Maybe elder approved doors works for this better.

The only real thing I can think of that lockers doesn't solve is if someone makes a really big thing like a diesel engine or someone like Tarr brings in massed raw resources.  Which is a big fault I guess.  So maybe not a perfect idea. *shrug*

It'd be unlocked when they die.  But yeah that's why I say maybe these houses should have a very small max size.

Actually, maybe as a test you could be much less ambitious jason, and just make lockers that work the same way instead of houses.  You wouldn't have neat looking towns, but it'd be a good test system and would far limit how much stuff you can take.  4 stored things just like a wooden box, and you get one locker which is approved by an elder.

Maybe instead it takes two people to build a wall, similar to it taking two to tear down adobe or a berry bush?  Then you can make walls cheap, like butt logs or raw clay. Although again, locked doors costing one iron per person is also an issue.  Probably the bigger one as currently locks have almost exclusively been used for griefing.

@ thaulos I think you would, though.  Because it's not something people would be looking out for.  Am I going to mouse over every hoe everyone picks up and the person picking it up?  It's not like there's name text bubbles above peoples' heads and flagged items.  Otherwise it can't really be enforced.  Honestly if I saw a hoe on the ground that's claimed I'd just take it.

Didn't read the rest of the thread, these are some fun idea to play around with, though:

--Cash prizes for long-lived families.  The longer the family lives, the bigger the prize, maybe with each person rewarded in proportion to the fraction of the family tree that descended from them.  Even living a single life, if you did good for your family, could result in a substantial prize.

|| I don't think this is sustainable long term.  And I don't really like the idea of how it fits in with the griefing meta.

--Some other kind of exterior reward for descendants that survive a long time.  A leader-board for Eve's?  Not sure why the descendants would care to boost their Eve's standing, and we kinda already have this on the family tree browser, but....  Maybe some other form of "live" leaderboard that shows the deceased player with the current largest number of descendants.  Thus, it's not necessarily a long line, but a broad line that counts.

|| Currently excessive Eveing can kill a whole server at night, not sure it should be encouraged or rewarded.

--One Eve on a server, ever... after the family dies out, the server is wiped.  Death of a family = death of the world.  Everyone clustered around (0,0), just like the old days, but to keep that sprawling civ going, some baby needs to survive.  Big problem with Eve getting overrun by babies at the start.  Maybe excess players are spawned nearby as Adams in the beginning.

|| I like the idea, but the family will never get wiped.  Even dedicated griefers would have issues killing a server with several people being born per minute.  If the capital falls it will just be rebuilt.  Veterans have no issue surviving in the wilds temporarily.

--Two Eves on a server, with visually distinct family lines.  Players are divided at random between one of these two families randomly, and permanently.  When one family goes extinct, the other family "wins", and the server is wiped to start the whole process over again.

|| My thoughts would be the Eve death site would become a permanent object, and people would have to win capture the flag style.  Otherwise, nomading would make this impossible.  I also think it'd just be viewed as the apocalypse.  The "winner" pretty much loses too.

--Really crazy:  What if you only got ONE LIFE each hour.  Gosh, how this would change the game dramatically in so many ways.  If you lived to 60 each time, you could play continuously.  But if you ever died early, you'd spend the rest of the hour cooling off.  Goodbye baby suicide.  Every baby would indeed be precious to both the mother and the baby.  Also goodbye to my financial success.

||  I actually thought of and might be doing something like this on my server, so of course I like this idea :3.  The idea is, you have "limbo" (which is the current town xyzzy), and you have the competitive city, which is reset every week (three days is probably enough on the main server).  And if you die from something other than old age in the competitive city you are stuck in limbo.  If you want to stay in limbo, you can just suicide.  It's like auto-newbie tutorial as well, since they will die and be sent somewhere easy but maybe boring.

You would need to have some grace period as the new city is being made up though, like 12 hours or something.  It would be unfair if Eve abandoned you in the first minute.

There could be some enticement to staying in the competitive city.  Like only being able to be named or have a lineage recorded, there.

--Return to roots....  One Dollar One Hour One Life.  You pay $1 per life, but if your descendant tree gets big enough, you get free lives that add up in a life bank.  Having your family survive after you doesn't buy you lives in that family, but instead free lives in general (in other families, wherever).

||  I.e. poor people can't play, rich people can

--You only get a fixed number of lives each day.  Having your descendants live long buys you extra lives each day.

|| Same as above concerning limbo, people should be able to play somewhere, perhaps just boring.

Well, if you're going to be remove restrictions on rebirth, there is no real lifespan anyways.  On the one city server, we'd suicide as an elder sometimes to keep our food bar average high.  Another thing to think about when locking people into a family.  A bear mauling is basically just a stubbed toe.  I actually think under these situations a much much longer lifespan makes more sense as you can have more connection with people, we even have permanent names on my server.  You can die early if you want to live shorter.

A big issue is also handling runaway girls, as even one of these could wipe out a town.  Additionally, people not wanting to live in the town don't have to grief, they can simply walk away, and suicide repeatedly until they get reborn to one of their kids in the new town.

There of course needs to be some way to expel people, otherwise a single griefer can and will wipe out any town, and there is nothing anyone can do about it all.  Murder comes to mind as the obvious solution:  You get shot, you're out for good.  Griefers can get good at sniping people out of town incospicuously, but maybe that's just a meta people will need to get used to and adjust for.  Might even be fun honestly.

Anyways, I think something needs to change, just poking as many holes here as possible.

In any case, any changes in this area probably need to be thought long and hard over weeks with a lot of back and forth probably.

The easy way you handle this is with beta branches on steam, which all of the best indie games I can think of use (rimworld, factorio, oxygen not included, project zomboid, caves of qud, etc etc etc)

If it's too much work even then, maybe weekly updates is too optimistic?  Anyways, just a thought.

Added a permanent vog playground area to OCS   See discord for instructions.

Also, arena month 2 was a great success, bigger turnout!  One of our dudes got some recordings of it.  Missed recording the animal fights, but we can do another round next month

I was thinking just this!  However, I'm not sure what makes sense.

Longest avg life?  Kinda boring.
Most kids?  Too influenced by hour of day
Best kill/death ratio?  Mass griefing for a month.

*shrug*

Well, I think the ultimate measure in who's the do gooder for towns would be "grandkids divided by kids" as it shows you're making life for the next generation easier.  Fragility mostly keeps all her kids, which is why she has the most grandkids.  Hard to say, though, there's a lot of confounding variables, like people who Eve a lot are going to have cruddy offspring survival ratios.  Then again, deliberate Eveing is mostly a selfish act xD

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firstEntry: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 06:16:29 GMT
lastEntry: Thu, 07 Mar 2019 09:11:09 GMT
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births: 1218
deaths: 555
timeAlive: 10d 15h 0m
males: 508
females: 710
males/females: 0.72
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avg. death age: 27.57
Death by hunger: 390 -> 70.27%
Death by oldAge: 152 -> 27.39%
Death by killer: 13 -> 2.34%
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ignoredUnderAgeDeaths: 662
elderDeaths: 152
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born as eve: 199 -> 16.34%
avg. generation born into: 7.13
longest generation born into: 92
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kids: 1415
kids per female life: 1.99
avg. kid lifespan: 11.41
grandkids: 1037
grandkids per female life: 1.46
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kills: 13 -> 1.07%
avg. victim age: 34.64
victim female probability: 76.92%
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I think the low death age is me suiciding as eve a lot.  I tend to go for a perfect spot or stop on a bear by age 18.

Joriom's stats also confuse me.  How do you get an average death age of less than 3 if deaths below age 3 aren't counted?