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#26 Main Forum » Leader just killed most gingers » 2020-05-24 04:51:58

AmberA
Replies: 7

I was born into a slaughterfest, the ginger leader would say "I exile you" and had one other griefer with her so they would exile and stab, exile and shoot, exile and stab. Over and over and over. Most people don't know how to unfollow.

She was only teamed up with one other person, anyone know if that accomplice was a ginger or was it from another race?

Basically it comes down to the leader and exile system being too complicated for an average group to be able to defend itself when the leader is a griefer.

#27 Main Forum » Bug - Peace doesn't always work » 2020-05-23 19:07:32

AmberA
Replies: 1

I was the desert race living in the city of the jungle people. When we got over 55, we tried to make peace but it didn't work due to what I think is a bug. I'm a pretty advanced player and I don't think it was user error on either side.

I would say PEACE, the other person would say something like DYCT. We'd say that back and forth and it didn't work. Then we'd say it in each other's language but when she tried to copy me it wouldn't show up as "PEACE" instead it would show up as "DEACE" and peace was never reached. Even when we wrote the PEACE down on paper, she still couldn't copy it correctly, it would display wrong when she typed it.

We could tell through facial expressions that we're doing it right, we were both getting frustrated that it wasn't working.

I've seen this happen before, exact same situation. It seemed like we did everything right but one letter was off due to the translation system.

Anyone else seen this issue happen? Is it a bug?

#28 Re: Main Forum » The True Bison Followers and the False Queen Opaline Bison » 2020-05-20 22:25:35

Lava wrote:

I was Chad Bison and I was born to Aria Bison who was a very loving and caring mother. She taught her younger sisters along with her kids and praised their nobility. So when she passed the immediate family become very sad and disheartened. We did not like bowing down to our second and fourth cousins who held the highest title in the village. We wanted to praise and be loyal to OUR bloodline and not theirs. So with my Aunt Trinity and my sister Hanna we started a new leadership under the banner the True Bisons. We recruited the progeny of my mother and quickly rose from a small minority to a rival faction. None of the heretic none bloodline were allowed to join.  We established Hanna Bison of the leader of our group and our bloodline grew. Opaline the leader of the heretics was not happy about this. She kept proclaiming herself as the True leader and the true follower to bison but we knew better.


We told her we no longer obeyed her and we were a separate group. She was in disbelief but she said I will let your group do what it pleases but you all obey me we refused and called her a heretic. Tensions were rising and violence grew closer but the true bison followers and opaline the heretic did not want war so we made an agreement that war will not occur within our groups. There was peace within the village and our faction grew. By the time opaline was on her death bed the fake bisons and our distant cousins were in the minority and the true bisons has taken over the village. She begged that we reunite the tribes but I refused only the bloodline of aria bison shall persist.  She died ordering the bisons to reunite but it didn’t happen. The remaining progeny of Aria Bison that followed Opaline converged to True Bisons. As for Opalines blood line now... it still remains under her daughter felicity.

The true Bisons were of Aria Bison and her sisters.

Twisted wrote:

Can confirm the story is true

They both speak the truth!!...Chad...meet Opaline (aka Twisted): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K05OZ8DAPp4

#29 Re: Main Forum » Suggestion: Fixing Bears » 2020-04-25 01:32:30

I completely agree, bears only purpose atm is a tool for griefers.

I'd LOVE to see more good benefits for bear killing to help balance it out. Ideas:
* 8 slot backpack that can be made from bear hides, or a jacket/baby sling. So that it keeps you warm but can also carry one baby (limited to only babies that are you gave birth to)
* Bear meat & fat used in a cooking recipe.
* Cave paintings could be added to the walls of empty caves which would cause bears to not return to that cave.

#30 Re: Main Forum » Mass Cursed for Calling out a Griefer? » 2020-04-25 01:09:35

As an outside observer, it sounds like both you are were doing good, separately you both had chosen to work on making tacos and it sounds like you both are telling the truth but anger is getting in the way.

What sounds like happened:

-Guy has cart of taco supplies and takes it to go get water. Set the cart down while he went to get the water.
-Girl sees cart, doesn't see that Guy is nearby and takes cart because it has the supplies she needs.
-Guy sees his supplies being used, never finds cart, assumes Girl is thief and acts appropriately.
-Guy builds fence to protect his supplies from thief and warns town against thief.
-Guy probably too forceful in trying to get town against Girl and is then punished himself.

If this is what happened, I'd suggest let it go. It was mostly a missed communication, bad assumption from Guy, and overzealous anti-thief measure from Guy as well. In the end Tacos were made, it's just a game, let it go.

#31 Re: Main Forum » Questions about Donkey Town » 2020-04-21 04:07:44

As a griefer killer, I get a good amount of curses and have spent some time in donkey town. I'll answer your questions and provide some random info about donkey town.

1. Do you spawn in the same distant location when you have to serve multiple hours in Donkey Town? Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

2. If multiple griefers banished to Donkey Town play at the same time, will they spawn in the same location? Often yes. If so, does this mean griefers banished to Donkey Town can cooperate to build an endtower? As far as I know, yes.

When I end up at donkey town its very similar to spawning as an eve just really far away. Usually there are a ton of bones around from other donkey people who died nearby. You'll often find some abandoned camps. Occasionally you'll find a well built up city complete with farms, livestock, perhaps even a bell tower and yes as far as I know they can also build an endtower but like anything else it requires a lot of coordination because its hard to find people and it can only be done with certain races and requires knives.

Last time I was there myself and two others were playing together, one got old and died and was born right outside of camp. I too got old and spawned inside of the camp. Since we are all "eves" we don't speak the same language unless we get a white player in town.

At donkey town you are never a child so you can't slash die but your gene score doesn't go up or down.

Usually the only way I know where I might be on the map is when a normal bell sounds and its usually like 28k away in a certain direction. This is how I know I don't always spawn in the same location. Sometimes the city bell will be 28k north east and another donkey life it could be 30k to the ENE.

I don't usually see more than 3-5 donkeys in the same area.

When you see families going to war...it's often two donkeys doing that just so the entire map will get the "X and Y families are at war" message.

All donkeys are women because they are all eves.

#32 Re: Main Forum » A Game of Child Abandonment » 2020-04-19 18:30:54

I really enjoy the parenting aspect of this game. It is the #1 reason why I play. I completely agree that the balancing needs work.

I'll give an example of a parenting life that is good and one that is not.

GOOD LIFE AS PARENT:
- Minute 1: Baby is born, name baby, talk to baby to make baby feel loved, introduce baby to my mom and anyone else important to me in town such as their siblings, father if they have one, gma, etc.
- Minute 2: Carry baby while we look for clothes and also show baby around town, talking to them about the history of the town and history of our family.
- Minute 3-5: Introduce baby to task options, pack lunch for the baby (fill bp with food), maybe teach them something if they are new before they go on their way.
- Minute 6+ Return to working and now ready for another child. Usually the baby is happily working by now and will seek me out to show me what they did.

BAD UNFUN LIFE AS PARENT:
- Minute 1: Baby is born, name baby....WHOA another baby pops out. WTF ok. Try to name the first baby....2nd baby is screaming to be named...damn it baby have some patience can't you see I'm trying to find some food to eat. Can't go find gma, or father or siblings unless they happen to find me. Babies don't feel very loved because they get no one on one time with parent.
- Minute 2: Grab any clothes I happen to see nearby, since I can't carry both babies I MUST stay by the fire causing babies to not get the tour and don't learn about the history. Forcing me to stay by the fire means now I have to feed everyone's damn babies so now I'm hungry all the time. Both babies are probably talking two letters at the same time so I can't read either of them. POP...third baby...WTF no...tell 3rd bab "I'm so sorry, we have too many bbs" I choose to not feed it hoping it will die. Unfortunately some child always feeds it so now I have to keep it. First baby is walking away, I bring it back to the fire while some stranger names 3rd baby "Gay".
- Minute 3-5: POP...another baby, damn it I'm not ready. Oh thank god first baby has hair...dump eldest baby in berry farm "You are big now, fill bp with berries, ILY"
- Minute 6+: Half the kids starved because they were new and got no teaching or choose to die because their childhood sucked.

#33 Re: Main Forum » A way to deal with griefers » 2020-04-18 01:11:20

MrGold wrote:
AmberA wrote:

Another option is to give the family more options for moderating itself.

Such as all elders can vote to exile someone, majority rules. And if someone is exiled then that person is restricted from doing certain things for the rest of that life: They cannot have children, they cannot pick up children, they cannot name children, they cannot pick up knives, or bows, or arrows, they cannot release bears, they cannot use any tools except a hoe or shovel, they cannot ride horses. Basically they cannot do all the things that most griefers do.

What eat and talk?


People who just eat and talk aren't griefers. They are annoying but they aren't griefing. The real griefers are the ones who bring bears, who stab people for fun, who kidnap children, who steal horses, etc. There are lots of things that can be done with just use of a hoe or shovel.

#34 Re: Main Forum » A way to deal with griefers » 2020-04-17 23:37:55

Another option is to give the family more options for moderating itself.

Such as all elders can vote to exile someone, majority rules. And if someone is exiled then that person is restricted from doing certain things for the rest of that life: They cannot have children, they cannot pick up children, they cannot name children, they cannot pick up knives, or bows, or arrows, they cannot release bears, they cannot use any tools except a hoe or shovel, they cannot ride horses. Basically they cannot do all the things that most griefers do.

#35 Re: Main Forum » A way to deal with griefers » 2020-04-17 23:27:26

tobiasisahawk wrote:

You can identify some griefers hashes from the logs.  I was looking for who was doing all of the bear griefing and found a couple hashes that released a bunch of bears yesterday without shooting any bears.  The biggest bear griefer released 60 bears yesterday without shooting any.

I think there is an easy way to fix this.

I'd made the suggestion awhile ago that anyone who releases a bear should be given a curse automatically by the system + an additional curse for everyone who ever dies from that bear. And Jason should implement this SECRETLY so that all the jerks end up in donkey town and stay there because they keep doing their jerk behavior.

#36 Re: Main Forum » Property Fences » 2020-04-16 16:13:53

The other day I wanted to make burritos so I gathered prepped all my supplies but people starting taking them so I just moved my work space further off screen just outside of town and I was able to work in peace. No property fence needed.

The only time I use a property fence is to make a revenge grave. If there is someone in town who caused so much drama and grief especially if their child blindly supports the griefer parent and the griefer parent asks to be buried.  When they die I'll use a fence.

So I take the griefer's bones, place a scoop of poop in front of it and fence it off without a door, wait till the fence is unbreakable then go show it to the griefer's supportive kid...and kackle with revengeful glee in my old age.

#37 Re: Main Forum » Constantly Starving is Bad Game Design » 2020-04-15 00:50:30

DestinyCall wrote:

I find it fascinating that even under extreme pressure, we still do not see villages living off milk as a primary diet.  I see it made in a few villages, here or there, but never see villages that do a "milk only" or even "milk mostly" diet. 

It suggests to me that milk is broken, but NOT in the way Jason thinks.   I have tried to establish milk in villages over and over, with limited success.  Even when it looks so much better on paper, it just doesn't seem to perform very well in the game.

Because it's not fun and you cant store it in a backpack sad

#38 Re: Main Forum » LOTS OF BBS OUTSIDE OF HOME!!! » 2020-04-14 20:11:06

I thought this happened to me as well, but I'm not 100% sure so I didn't post it. I thought I was homesick when I had a baby, then immediately had twins.

#39 Re: Main Forum » cant find iron anywhere » 2020-04-14 16:41:05

This is another system where the changes to iron were way more complicated than they needed to be. For most resources finding them should be easy for new players...refining them and building advanced things should be hard, maybe even have a failure rate the more advanced it is.

#40 Re: Main Forum » Constantly Starving is Bad Game Design » 2020-04-14 16:36:30

Ilka wrote:

Testo- THIS IS A PARENTING GAME.
Parenting is not about throwing 3/4 of your children in the trash.
And you never take anything that you have given, because the person you are taking something will feel aggrieved.

And the fact that this is a PARENTING GAME is the reason I play. It's unique.

#41 Re: Main Forum » Constantly Starving is Bad Game Design » 2020-04-14 16:32:50

jasonrohrer wrote:

Being almost out of food is way more interesting than having way too much food.

Milk is currently totally broken, and could feed the whole village easily, but no one is drinking it.  Instead, I see 50+ berry bushes in every village still used for direct eating (instead of being used to feed animals and thus make more water-efficient foods).

Anyway, I've lived a few lives myself where we were ALMOST out of water in an advanced village.  It was tense and exciting, and a few of us banded together to save the day at the last minute by fetching a cart of buckets from a distant pond, to buy us more time for making the next rubber gasket.


That pretty much never happened before...


The point is this:  what I did in that life, and the choices that I made, actually mattered to the fate of my village.

I was not bored.

I completely disagree with this but I'll explain why. Yeah that can be fun once...now do it again, and again and again. It's no longer fun. Almost every life is now like this and is not fun. It makes civilization building and parenting take a backseat to basic survival.

Rather than making existing systems harder, what we need is new content. Make beginning systems easier for new players and make new "end game" content. These are all the recipes that new players can't build and advanced players will happily focus on because it is new. Feast tables, oil rigs, radios. These are recipes that are fun and challenging but you keep making them harder and harder to accomplish because we can't make those things if we're starving.

We also can't teach new players if the town has no water, it makes for a bad new user experience. We're not saying get rid of the changes, we're just saying it needs some adjusting.

#42 Re: Main Forum » Food nerf » 2020-04-13 16:15:08

Coconut Fruit wrote:

Pein, top cap would make it so boring and totally not worth yumming at all. Just give yum a try, it's funnier and easier than you think, you see "yum/meh" when you holding a food, and it's not hard to remember foods that you ate. I love to see towns alive instead of what it was before - people being damn lazy because they didn't actually need to do anything.
And I don't think yumming is a selfish act, the more yummers, the more different foods we will see in towns. Even if someone plant one green bean, it has 5 uses, right?.
When I cook, I cook many different pies now, I don't care that I make berry pies, I don't care eating raw corn, they are still great foods for yummers, and it's damn fun.

miskas wrote:

It is already proven that Milk is twice as better than the best yamming

I made 26 yum chain one life, is milk still better? Maybe a little, but the downsite of drinking only milk is that you need to drink it every while, getting it with you outside of town is inconvenient and most important drinking only milk would be damn boring. With yumming you can easily make your food bar having +40 food bonus, and you can forget about eating for a long time and focus on your job.


+1

I completely agree. I love yumming, its so fun to do. Even if it's not the most efficient, I do it because I find it fun...and that's the whole purpose of playing a game, to have fun.

I really enjoy yumming almost every life It's like a mini game. It's not for everyone and that's fine but I do think yumming and doing it well should be the best food option in the game otherwise why even have the mechanic. Even with yumming now, it's hard to survive unless you are in a good town.

#43 Re: Main Forum » Food nerf » 2020-04-13 03:43:16

I played for a few hours today and starved quite a lot. I understand the reason for the update but I think it was made to be too restrictive.

From what I've seen, towns have a very difficult time creating enough food to support it's population. As an advanced player, I would choose to be the one to go out in search of latex and sulfur, etc. to keep the town from starving. I quickly found that the food in the wild is almost non-existing and you HAVE to have a full backpack of food before leading town otherwise you will starve, even on a horse. Berries don't grow back fast enough and they only fill like two pips so you have to clear a while bush to get full.

Usually an abandoned town is stripped of tools first, now it's stripped of food. I found a horse full of latex in the wild, exactly what my town needed to survived but starved on the way home because every berry bush was empty and every wild food was eaten between towns.

People spend their entire lives making pies and they get eaten so fast we can't keep up. Many people (especially new people) are eating the last carrot or killing the last sheep out of desperation to stay alive.

If I stay in town as a mother, I now have to make hard choices for the sake of the town's survival. A baby that doesn't respond is getting dumped in teh woods, we can't afford to feed an afk person. I get the message saying that a new player was born to me...if you can't cook or make stew I'm probably going to let you starve. I hate doing that but the town can't support you and I definitely don't have time to teach anyone.

This update really needs some balancing changes.

#44 Main Forum » Oracion family and the story of how we died out.../facepalm » 2020-04-12 22:32:15

AmberA
Replies: 1

I was born as a male into the Oracion family who was of the desert race. It was a somewhat large town that has a well that used seals. My mother gave me a name but wasn't very loving. Sometimes she would feed me but not always. Another woman dressed me, fed me and was provided the love that my mother didn't. But perhaps now I understand why. I heard rumbles of a panic going on outside the nursery. A took a peak at the commotion and saw all the berries were dry. A tumbleweed rolled past, the crops were on the verge of death. The seal of the well was torn and we had no replacement! I snuck into the kitchen and heard the village elders discussing that we have had no rains and that we were in a famine. I heard a woman wailing about all three of her children dying due to starvation. My god, what have I been born into?! There was a massive panic, people were dying left and right.

The men and boys rallied together and went out in different directions to get supplies to fix the well. One left with a knife and bucket in search of the jungle people. The men left on horses while I was on foot. I'd heard there might be other villages and without saying goodbye to my mother, I left on foot. I didn't think she'd miss me. I took a bowl to fill with berries as I walked. I walked far but saw no signs of civilization. I quickly ate all my berries, stored the bowl in my pack and my belly ached as I walked on. I was ready to give up. As I was passing through a dangerous swamp, I muttered a prayer...and just then I saw a cart with four empty buckets! Perhaps the town will survive another day!

I quickly filled the buckets using my bowl and hauled the cart home. I'd grown into a strong teenager in the wilderness pulling the heavy cart but as I arrived at my village, the quiet was eerie. I saw a woman leave her child to die, I fed it a berry but he didn't survive. The mother died soon after. We had watered the crops but it would take weeks before anything edible would grow. The village had one fertile woman left so I told her, "Take what you can and survive off the wilderness, return after the crops had grown". She left to take refuge in the wild. She was our last hope.

Two other adults and myself remained in the village, trying to cook in preparation for the last woman's return. But allas, we heard a cry in the wind and we knew...the last woman was dead. The Oracion line would end. The others either left town or gave up and refused to eat.

I was alone in the village, surrounded by the bones of my mother, my siblings, my entire family. I decided I would stay and clean up. I started cleaning up the kitchen, as I was carefully moving the bones of the dead outside...I saw something that made me laugh and cry.

Just outside the kitchen door was three buckets of sulfured latex, three bowls of palm kernels and a bowl of palm oil...

#45 Re: Main Forum » How to REALLY Stop /die Babies » 2020-04-12 00:25:16

You have zero data to assume "most" babies that slash die because of looks. I also have no data except my own experiences. I don't slash die often but since I've played a lot, I've slashed died for many reasons:

* Mom or other family member is a jerk
* I wanted to play a different gender (after a string of same gender)
* I wanted to play a different race (such as I found a tarry spot but died before I could make a map, now I want to be ginger again to make the map and start building the oil rig)
* I see a lot of names with black text and don't want to be surrounded by drama

Basically I'm much more likely to stay if the life looks like it will be FUN and INTERESTING and KIND, I don't care if it's pretty smile

#46 Re: Main Forum » . » 2020-04-10 16:16:38

Dried beans are always a problem, rather than better storage, I'd actually prefer he change when or how they turned dry. Such as, while still attached to the bean stalk, beans should always be green and eatable. You could immediately pick one and eat it. Similar to corn drying, only AFTER the bean is picked and sits around for a long while should it turn dried.

#47 Re: Main Forum » Share your list of curse people, what were their crimes? » 2020-04-09 05:30:41

cordy wrote:
AmberA wrote:

This person I curse twice every life I see them.

I've always been curious about this....does the curse name change? Ty.

It doesn't, their name stays the same. I honestly don't know if me cursing the same person twice counts as two curses or does it just refresh my curse?

#48 Re: Main Forum » Koch family died » 2020-04-09 05:28:49

Yup it was still going last I saw

#49 Re: Main Forum » Koch family died » 2020-04-09 05:26:17

Gogo wrote:

Someone moved another brown Eve to Koch town.

Awesome!

#50 Main Forum » Koch family died » 2020-04-09 04:18:33

AmberA
Replies: 6

After 92 generations, the Koch family has died out. All the girls died and the last woman was infertile. We had about six men left so we decided that since the women failed us we would be a man only village and we kicked out the infertile woman. We were resigned to our fate and crafted in peace.

The story of our demise was left in the kitchen and we probably have a new jungle eve by now.

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