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No alias, waste is much, much less weighted than actual cost of a food.

I've proved this in a post I just made.

As for that last bit i already refuted all of those points in a earlier post and you never replied back to them so idk why you are bringing them up again, and so far only two people have told me that, you, and destiny whom ive already replied to. Yeah i dont know how to make everything in this game, but that doesnt make what im saying any less valid if ive got the proof to back it up which i do, so instead of skimming over that and coming to your own conclusion, try to look at it from a neutral perspective instead of the one you got right now.

I played with some numbers for my own amusement and I'll reproduce them here, in case anyone else likes food-based math as much as I do.

There are three bowl-based foods in the game that provide the same over-all pips.  A bowl of green beans restores three pips per use and can be used four times.   A bowl of saurkraut restores 6 pips and has two uses.  A bowl of turkey broth restores 12 pips and has just one use.   Each of these food items will give 12 pips if consumed entirely, but the green beans and saurkraut are more "pip efficient" (and less time efficient) since the pips are spread out across multiple interactions.   So let's consider a few scenarios to see how this affects food consumption and potential for waste.

Scenario 1 - Adult at 2 pips.  Needs 18 pips to reach max bar.
6 uses of green beans gives 18 pips (maxed out) cannot eat again immediately
3 uses of saurkraut gives 18 pips (maxed out) cannot eat again
1 use of broth gives 12 pips (14 pips total)  eating again would waste 6 pips.

Scenario 2 - Adult at 4 pips.  Needs 16 pips to reach max bar
5 uses of green beans give 15 pips (19 pips) eating again wastes 2 pips
2 uses of saurkraut gives 12 pips (16 pips) eating again wastes 2 pips
1 use of broth gives 12 pips (16 pips)  eating again wastes 8 pips

Scenario 3 - Adult at 6 pips.  Needs 14 pips to reach max bar
4 uses of green beans give 12 pips (18 pips) eating again wastes 1 pips
2 uses of saurkraut gives 12 pips (18 pips) eating again wastes 4 pips
1 use of broth gives 12 pips (18 pips)  eating again wastes 10 pips

Scenario 4 - Adult at 8 pips.  Needs 12 pips to reach max bar
4 uses of green beans gives 12 pips. (Maxed out)
2 uses of saurkraut gives 12 pips. (Maxed out)
1 use of turkey broth gives 12 pips (Maxed out).

So what does all that mean?   Well, it means that it is harder to waste pips when eating green beans, since each bite is so small, but you have to eat twice as many times, compared with saurkraut, and as much as five or six times as much compared with broth, which can get pretty tedious.  More uses per bowl gives you more control over how much you eat, so if getting to full hunger bar is very important to you, small bite foods might be a better choice to avoid waste.

But waste only happens if you eat a big bite when you are too full (or too young/old).   With a pip value of 12, one bowl of turkey broth will not cause any waste if you wait until your bar is under half, as an adult.  It only becomes a problem if you are greedily slurping down a second bowl of turkey water right away, instead of finding a smaller bite, or waiting until you are hungry enough for seconds.

If you are a young child or elder, then turkey broth might be a bad choice.  You would not want to eat this food (if you have any better options) when your max bar is less than 14, since the extra pips will be lost.  While green beans are a viable food source at ANY age, since they restore the lowest possible pip value.  There is hardly any wasted pips with this food and it is easy to max out your bar by eating a bowl or bowl and a half.   The same is true for other low pip value "small bite" foods, like gooseberry or popcorn.   They are relatively low waste snack foods that are a very smart choice for children and the elderly, due to their shorter hunger bars.

So why not feed your entire population on popcorn, green beans and berries?    You technically could do that, and I have occassionally seen berry towns, but it is not a smart idea.    Mutton pies are a nearly free byproduct of composting, which is essential for continued production of all crops.   So if you are properly maintaining a berry farm or green beans farm or corn farm, you will have plenty of wheat and mutton available for pies.   All varieties of pie (except carrot) are "big bite" high pip value foods.  And they a highly portable, multi-use, and space effiecient.  If you must leave your village, taking a pie with you provides an important safety net, in case, you run low on forage in a large barren biome.   You can travel further, explore deeper into hostile zones, and return safely, with a warm pie in your pack.   

So why not just eat pies and ignore everything else?   Because the majority of pies restore over half your hunger bar as an adult (13+ pips), so if you run out of low pip value food (berry bushes are empty, no popcorn, etc), then you will start to see a lot of food waste.   Too many pips lost when children or elders eat a big bite of pie, instead of a smaller bite of broth or saurkraut or bread or popcorn.  All foods require time, labour, and resources to produce.   The best foods pay out a large pip value for a relatively low investment.  Whole milk and mutton pies are probably the best, with berries and popcorn as good low-pip options.  Food items that require more work, special tools, time-sensitive harvesting, or limited resources are less ideal choices, but might be worth the extra effort when the town is stable and thriving.

I don't think the answer to food waste is greater "pip efficiency".   I think the better answer is education and food variety.   Let people know that there are other options and encourage people to eat smarter, not harder.  And make sure that there are always enough low AND high pip value foods available, so that desperate hungry people are not forced to make bad choices.

Pip Value affects Pip Efficiency,  Pip efficiency is NOT affected with how many, uses,bites,or even number of the same food you have. One gooseberry flat out is more efficient then a cooked fish, you dont gotta add more uses, bites, or number of them to make it more efficient then a cooked fish, thats because the base pip value affects the pip efficiency of a item, NOT how many items,uses, or bites there are.

This is because pip efficiency is determined
Also, what do you mean when you say improved? Are you talking about the efficiency of the food itself, if so just decrease the pip value of each bite of turkey to do that, and if were only changing the pip value of the turkey itself, and assume that no other variables would be changed, like the output of pips overtime, then yes lowering the pip value of the turkey would make it more pip effeceint and thus save more pips overall.

Alias wrote:

Popcorn is not so glorified because it gives so little per bite! If it gave 4x5 it would be much better than current 4x3 which at the same time would make it less "pip efficient".
Popcorn is better than green beans because corn plant gives more food and in more bites than bean plant:
6 bean x4 food is all you get from whole plant = 24 food.
From corn plant you get 4 ears, each ear can give 4 pocorn bites, each worth 3 food = 48 food. Double what bean plant gives. That is the reason.
EDIT: If beans gave 16 bites per plant like corn, but still each bite would be 4 pips vs 3 pips from popcorn, you think beans wouldn't be better choice just because popcorn means less waste? Of course beans would be better, because even with considerable waste they would give more food than corn. Not 33% more, but more. And more is better.

The more pips food gives per bite the better is the food.
The more pips food gives per bite the worse it's "pip efficiency".
When you equalize bite/portion count you get from food all that matters is raw pips: the more the better food is, and the worse it's "pip efficiency"
Conclusion: The better the food, the worse is it's pip efficiency".

Well i dont doubt that increasing the value of a certain food for the same amount of effort is a positive, even if you are losing pips that would still be free pips if it were increased. As for the whole popcorn vs green beans thing, the pips you get from green beans can actually be made faster then the pips for popcorn. This is because of a couple things:

1. greenbeans grow in 4 minutes, and corn the same, however to dry the cob takes another 4 minutes which by then another set of green beans could already of been done
this put them both at about even produce

2. because greenbeans require no steps to make them edible unlike popcorn where you need to shuck the corn, put it in a bowl, go find a fire, then pop it, it gives green beans zero down time between being fully grown, and ready to eat, making them produce food faster then popcorn with the down time on popcorn itself depending on how fast the guy making popcorn would be.

But that all being said id still probably pick popcorn because of how hard it would be to waste the food.

For high pip foods, its not that they are actively bad foods, its that they are inherently wasteful because of how many pips one bite contains and several uses of a high pip pie are only gonna multiply that problem.

The thing about milk and skim milk is that as far as i know its the only food item where you have to add something to it to get less pips out of it. So with all of other foods needing to have something added onto it to make it contain more pips (buttered bread,pies,stew) it doesnt make sense to compare the milk/skim milk mechanic to the rest of the foods as you are taking a direct and obvious net loss in food by making skim milk where with others like adding muttion and wheat will get you a net gain in potential pips...

No, with skim milk specifically you would be putting more effort in for less food, now that im thinking about it it really comes down to 3 things:

. The effort put into making the food (for example sauerkraut requires alot of steps but something like a bowl of popcorn doesnt  )

. The chance that a foods pip will be wasted (Pies are really bad for this and popcorn being the lowest pip food are the best)

. Pip/Tile Ratio (Basically whats the maximum amount of pips this food can be stored into on one tile)

The thing with popcorn is that although its easy to make, really effecient, it cant be stored into anything, as a result it has to be spread over multiple tiles making it a clutter, pies are the most effeceint storage food, only problem is that they require more effort then popcorn, and are one of the least effective pip giving food out there.