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I would like to see the data on player retention after deaths before that change--I don't think those numbers are as closely related as you guys suggest. Players being killed or griefed after 40 minutes of play, I would assume, aren't immediately jumping back into another 60 minute session, potentially meeting and playing with those griefers again. Child mortality is also really closely linked to new players--personally I've watched half a dozen new players die while I was showing them around camp because they ignored their starvation meters (also... am I a bad mom?!?)--and if (and when) OHOL hits bursts of new players joining, say after promotions or cons, the following arcs might not have enough experienced players living past childhood to prevent constant resets. As the game is harder during the Eve Age that end condition seems primed to cycle us through premature apocalypses over and over.

Babies per adults, I think, is more closely linked to players logging in than reincarnation. It's an "interesting" end condition in the first place but I think changing it from 33% to 50% will help significantly.

I would also like to point out that Griefers could just use their remaining lives to "pump up baby deaths" by simply starving themselves--they wouldn't even need to kill anyone. Got 10 lives to waste? Help end the arc.

Eye roll.

Dude called me a fag then stabbed me.

They don't have to have access to the game for a while if they're doing this a hundred plus times a week. If they get banished twice then they can play in any one of many spin off games but not this one. I didn't pay money to read hate speech and be the murder wish fulfillment for some piece of shit bigot.

Your sentiments on this forum of building a better place in the rift are wonderful--elsewhere--but it wouldn't hurt for you to also stand up for players who want to do those things with you instead of telling them they have fault in this. Like, c'mon.

This is what misinformation breeds: misinformed players going off their intuition, as derived from the counter-intiutive yum mechanic shown in game. When you make posts saying eating these bad foods are fine, you reaffirm their misinformation (which is why I think the posts are on par with littering) and stop the spread of useful information.

Destiny, this is why we have update the wiki, people are just not reading posts, no matter how many times you share the information, directly and specifically, there will always be new players who think that yumming works one way and are don't see any problem with it. Couple them with players who don't want to change the way they yum, because they find it fun and interesting to chain the way they presently are, and we get this... over... and over... and over...

This is put perfectly. Can I quote this for the wiki?

Bucket + rope = dog collar with a red cross (small container).
Collar can hold 3 sterile pads or 1 snake bite anti venom.
Range 50 tiles.
Any player hurt within range and "Balto" will run towards them alerting people along the way that someone is in grave danger.
Cannot apply medical aid, must have human intervention.
Even if no humans follow, Balto will be with you when you die.

"Good boy Balto, you found me, just like you promised... but I think... I think it's going to be good bye this time, old friend."

"Don't eat my bo--"

No dis, I think my first post sounds harsher to a stranger than the tone I meant it in. The issue with those terri-bad-no-good-double-minus tier food items is that they ALL have means of consuming them that are far better. Even raw corn, can very easily be turned into popped corn. Villages that don't have clay bowls or fire have other problems that yum chaining is not going to really fix either, I think it's fair to say that if you can't pop corn you should not be stressed about yum, yeah?

And that's kind of thing, when we're talking about the strategy of yumming, is when to worry about yum. Most of those other discussions talk quite a bit about when and HOW to break your chain, as in you should, because it wastes less food and feeds more people, and if the goal of yum is to be efficient--via eating different types of food instead of one easy to make thing (REDACTED TANGENT ON MERITS OF JUST MAKING PIES)--then that should be integral to the decision making. Instead, these threads further promote the idea of yumming uncritically--maintain the chain, yo--and it's bad. It also doesn't pass on knowledge, like the incredible uses of corn, the OPness of milk--100 hours and I've never drank milk! In part because people just don't understand how incredibly powerful it is--and some of the methods of running and maintaining long and stable villages. For instance making salsa is a fool's errand in terms of sustaining a village. You can almost say that it's in the game to throw off players, you know, give them failures to explore or challenges to overcome (puzzles if you will), but despite how many times people try and share that knowledge it gets thwarted, over and over again, by someone saying, "yeah... but what's the harm in a berry maintaining a good yum? Sometimes that's fine. It's just a berry." It's not. It's not just a berry. Look at the chart!

Fittingly, like a yum chain, all that work get's undone and were sent right back to square one.

Honestly, I think yum is so easy to "understand" at first that people build an intuitive sense around it, and the high level yum is just so... counter intuitive, that it doesn't dispel people's visceral... I'm resisting gut and stomach puns... but their visceral, trial-and-error understanding of a system that appears one way but is really another. You could think of it as a level in Portal, and boy do people really wanna use that portal gun they know and love--it's gotten them this far--but the answer is something else. The... the cake is a lie.

But to summarize with over simplification... strategically, the best way to yum, at all stages of game (camp, village, town) is to break your chain, repeatedly but purposefully. Don't maintain the chain. Reset and eat the best food you possibly can.

Ded

It's awesome you found a way of enjoying that challenge, I don't think the solution(s) we have incentivizes players surpassing those boundaries or risking/wasting their lives. For instance, you could simply pass down all known languages to your offspring and thus give them advantage. That slides up to, I think nicely, with the growing genetic fitness we as players can or should work on, but even then, with these extra languages, what do you do with them? Negotiate peace?

We don't really need to interact with other families, is what that highlights to me, unless we want to do something for own amusement. Which, is nice, but feels like the game could include more of, particularly when end states are built on how many families there are. Like, here we have tech that's going under used--I'm guessing--because there isn't a need for it. Novel, yeah, integral, mmmm... It ends war, but even then, you don't need to "end war".

I'll say that I like the sounds of an in game tech that players can employ if they just want to be left in peace/alone. Disarming everyone around the dog means that you're not just using it to keep yourself proteced but also giving up your ability to go on the offence. You wanna just move bits of data around that look like a berry bush in PEACE AND QUIET, domesticate a wolf. Done.

That's better than whelp, I guess I just have to complain because there's nothing I can do to invest in the play style I'd like to enjoy for this particular run/set of runs.

Thanks for the laugh, but man... that's gotta be rough, lol.

What you described sounds like a bug tho.

There is a minimum threshold to item uses, for instance a steel hoe has a NOU 5, so there is no way for use it less than 5 times. Those NOU thresholds can feel too low but I think most of that feeling comes from not understanding the background mechanics and stats, maybe, as they're hidden from players in game. Idk. It's why I put tables on the gampedia to show how just one integer change varies the ENU widely. Once you start expecting the hoe to break it doesn't seem to screw you over as much. But ultimately, I'm not sure how effective NOU is for our purposes. Like, intuitively it makes sense, and it has a real life counter-part in that things do break or feel like they have a limited amount of uses before wearing out, but maybe it's not the best approach, in terms of players understanding what's going on and thus frustration. It seems like the NOU is important in industry, you need a black smith to be producing these items regularly, but you could achieve this with timed items. A hoe could only last five minutes--five years--before breaking. (or any time interval, 10, 15, 20) The last two minutes could show that it's about to break. That would feel less frustrating for those who are really bothered by RNG. Tho we would now have people pissed that their piece of steel only lasts a ten minutes when they have a real thing that's important in their real life and this game doesn't reflect that their real thing has lasted longer than it did in this imaginary game. Huff. So, I get what the RNG is trying to reproduce, and appreciate the variance, so I'm not too bothered by it, but any option, NOU/timed/etc, ultimately has it's downside and this is just the downside we have with this option.

But again, the well should have a LU proc that means it's at least usable once to prevent that very situation from happening. That sounds like a bug that JR doesn't want to have happen.

I still look at griefing--the random killings, raids, and wars--as a symptom to the lack of meaningful interactions we can have with other players. We just can't interact with one another in the rift in a way that means anything to us or the game. Interestingly we start out each run in relationship with a random player and it's full of cool moments and interactions. From being named to cared for and clothed. Then all of that drops away and you don't have another interaction--meaningful--with any other player for next 57 minutes.

I get that where in some growing stage with all this knife business. The recent update has to help, but I'm kind of glad we had this stage, it really highlighted how meaningless the killings are as well. Impactful, but ultimately meaningless. I'm not against them, but the murders aren't over property, or back packs, or anything interesting. Even the apocalypse isn't over a feud that got so embittered that one family decided to end the rift--you know something with some feeling--instead it's so meaningless. I mean, that's kind part and parcel with whiping the slate clean, is that remove all information and memory of the previous. It's this wholly impactful event, that changes the entire server, but it's intrinsically meaningless. As for the killings, people don't even loot your corpse for your cool shit (because there is no cool shit), the entire "greif" is just in ending your play. They don't gain anything for it in game and neither do you, and think that's an unfortunate. PVP should create a value change.

Property could have made us fight over resources or items but nothing is valuable yet and we just didn't take to maintaining these fences. Or war swords could have made us form tighter communities, raid saplings, and start an industry, but it didn't. It's a wild, and dark magic, creating the exact set of tools and circumstances that will produce interesting behaviors from players, and as a developer you learn about your game--and it's users--with each one of these new tools/toys/mechanics you toss into the game. But fences didn't make us fight instead they showed that nothing is truly valuable yet--outside of fertile women. And what's of note about that is we can't actually fight over that resource. So all the reasons for war or fighting, that drive human behavior, are not in the rift. It'll be tough but it'll be fun when we can settle inner familial disputes with who was the biggest knife--I'll fucking kill you if you don't give me that milkweed--but since we're not disputing, and possession isn't really a thing, all we have is greifing.

Like you can imagine this griefing as a failure of policing or you can see it as the tool that highlighted the lack of value items have in game--we're not stealing or defending important non-replaceable precious things; we're not being killed for anything--or the dearth of meaningful interactions we have with other players outside of birth. Property and war didn't fail but they're not important, and thus don't organize us, because we discovered we don't have anything to fight for control over.

This is a great setup for a new THING to land on the rift, that we'll all go crazy over to get our hands on, and after this long wait sure as shit I'mma put a knife in your guts to get it.