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To be clear: You are asking everyone to do extensive research on you before forming an opinion?
You dont matter
I don't see that all you do is Eve. I played in two game with you and the rest of my opinion is based on your own words on this forum. Including in this thread. Dude, you stopped quoting me halfway through a sentence. How is that even close to speaking in good faith?
The whole point of OHOL for me is a community working together. This update is the polar opposite of that. Race wars? Restricted communication? What is going on here?
Ok bud, I guess you don't really want to talk about it.
Oh boy, lets break this down.
1. Yes, I do recall our conversation, though to your point of it being 'unsatisfying', ehhh, I think my response to 'how bout you just don't grief' I'm more than confidant that my response was 'i dont'. Though the fact that it was so much to the point of it being just so uncomfortable to play in a lineage associated with me is, well, ok...
2. Massive dick move? Yea. I agree. I regret killing those people, i really do. Though what alot of people dont notice is that I actually never killed off that town. Purposely. I could have continued to unleash pitbulls on the town and kill it off, but I wasn't into that. I was just making the post as, well a post. http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=3891143
http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=3891143 Matter of fact the lineage lived on for an additional twenty generations now that I look back at it.3. Why did I defend the post? Well, I never actually knew that this post would gain as much popularity as is did, so when I wrote the first messages/comments on the tread of the post defending it, I just viewed it as so a griefer would look through it, take the advice, see that I'm leginimate and is able to trust this guide, and follow the guide, or at least shift your up most needs of griefing away from eve towns. Matter of fact, it hasn't been until recently that I've spoken out about this - about how I am not a griefer, and why I actually wrote the post. But its just the upmost hatred against me among every line of the way of just stopping me and what I'm doing is just, really, the dick move.
4. Unconvincing? I'm blaming the community? I'm a 'troll'? It's not really that I expect this community to take a total 180 and change their mind and opinion on me, as I've said I knew that going into this post. Though I guess the notion for me is just that, I just want this information out their. People dont actually have to pardon me. Matter of fact everyone could continue to hate me and wouldn't give two shits about killing me, because it wouldn't affect me anymore, I've changed my eve name! Look, I respect that you've examined this and really looked into this, I really do respect that. But what I would lead you towards is that, the people I play with, dont think I'm a griefer. People like @Walruse, @Oreo, and other people all are great community members. Yea, I've used to play with Toxic, hes a known griefer, though I've written a total separate post on why I've partnered with griefers - for the Apocalypse. But now, I got kicked from Toxic's discord server, and we dont talk to each other anymore.
1) I fed myself to a wolf in that game because after watching someone murder you in a previous life for being a known griefer, and talking to you about it an a second life in the same session, without a satisfying conclusion... I dunno, just didn't want to deal. Twin eves are a dengerous ecosystem already without extra weirdness. I recognize that you weren't actually responsible for anything that happened in that particular game. I also, don't remember the response, but if it was "i don't grief"... well thats provably false.
2) Your end goal was to fuck up a town. Using an argument of "well they managed after I fucked with them" is not really a good look.
3) You behaved like a dick and people reacted. It's really weird you can't see that. It's really weird you blame peoples reactions to your shitty behavior, instead of realizing you were wrong. It's doubly weird that you say things like "I regret killing those people. I really do" and then act like a victim.
4) I'm glad you changed your Eve name. I think thats for the best, because you can now play normally and we'll all do it with you. I'm glad you can be a productive player, fuck, I hope we can play a productive game together at some point. It's your victim complex that I find kind of gross.
I'm going to preface this by saying that I'm making this post out of an ironically selfish desire to seek validation.
I was born 3rd generation to a pretty standard camp. I like being a trapper, so when I saw a bunch of naked people I figured I'd be that guy. I do my usual thing:
1) look for unused trap in camp. No trap, so
2) grab a needle, grab a sharp stone, throw it in a basket, go find milkweed, make trap, make thread.
3) trap rabbits, find flint, make backpack, trap more rabbits, bring unskinned rabbits back to camp.
4) get more thread for needle, get more rabbits
5) make clothes for self, get more rabbits, bring unskinned rabbits back to camp.
6) repeat steps 4 and 5 untill i have a full set of clothes (in this case i made a rabbit chestpiece, if seals are involved i sew a seal coat)
7) drop rabbit stuff in camp and focus on other things (babies and iron usualy)
I get to step 7, and now I'm getting iron and trying to tap a vein that is right next door. My aunt rolls up on me and calls me selfish. My mom named me "Iron" and since auntie led with my name and I'm working on tapping a vein I assume thats what she's taking about.
Me: I know where vein is
Her: IDGAF
Me: How am I selfish then?
Her: You kept needle. I see you made all those clothes for yourself.
Me: There's seriously only one needle? thats stupid.
Her: SMDH
I'm pretty sure I'm just venting on someone else's idiocy here, but just to be sure: I brought more than a dozen rabbits home for the camp while I was out doing my own thing. How is no one making another needle? How is that my fault? There were 3 backpack sets on the ground at the time I got yelled at; Most of those were from me. Right after the altercation I went ahead and made 6 needles in front of my accuser. Its one of the easiest things to make. Did I fuck up some kind of weird etiquette here?
Just bums me out man.
Hey DaTrüf! I want to share a story with you.
I was one of Eve Datri's kids a couple weeks back. There was a twin Eve, which always raises an eyebrow for me, but it seemed like a pretty standard Eve camp otherwise; everyone working well, no weird shenanigans. Then one guy bows you out of nowhere, saying "go grief somewhere else". You protest your innocence and die. I ask the dude what the hell, and the reponse is "he's a known griefer on the forums". I didn't feel good about that, since as far as I could tell nothing was going wrong, but I'm not about to continue the drama train. So i let it go and lead a fairly uneventful life from there.
When I die and load back in, well look at that: I'm the son of an Eve, and there is another Eve Datri in the camp. I say to you in my broken baby way that I saw you get murdered. You say "lol" and say that yes, the community hates you. I ask why.
You: ask a guy named taar
Me: I'm asking you.
You: Lol
You go on to explain that you made an anti griefing post, and griefed people as an example, and everyone jumped down your throat assuming you were a griefer. I then said "How about just don't grief?" I don't recall what you said here. I remember it being unsatisfying, and I was uncomfortable with playing through a life with you, so i fed myself to a wolf.
I don't know if you remember this exchange, but as it turns out I owe you a thank you: You are the reason I found these forums. I looked up your pitbull post, and read through that thread in its entirety. A few days later I registered my account.
I'll say this much for you: The pitbull post is entertaining, interesting, and pushes the limits of what I thought was possible to achieve in the game. Its creative and clever, and weirdly highlights some of the more interesting mechanics in OHOL, and the goals that can be achieved through a very complex project.
It's also a massive dick move. Undefensible as well, though you have clearly tried your best to defend it. You griefed in an extremely complex way, then made a post about it, going as far to call it a griefer's guide. You were bragging, or at least you heavily came across that way. You also don't help your case by doubling down on your points, refusing to admit wrongdoing, and continuing to post detailed griefer guides as evidenced in your second post in this very thread.
Your excuses are unconvincing, and you continue to provide evidence that real, productive players should never want to play with you knowingly. And you act hurt by this and blame "the community", blind to your own actions. I'm forced to conclude that you are either a troll, or incredibly dense. If its the latter, then I'd advise you take a look at how you commmunicate with others; when everyone has a problem with you, you are the problem, not everyone else. If you want to change your reputation, I think it's as simple as just not being a dick.
Thanks again for clueing me into this forum though. I really am grateful.
IDK if you are responding to the original post because this isn't about limiting the use of /die, but changing the ways that people using it hurts mothers in the game. Picking up /die babies uses food, it stops you in the middle of your work and litters your area with bone spam. If it happened once in a life it would not be a big deal but it happens 3-8 times per a life in most of the lives I lead. That's 5 pointless interruptions. 5 piles of bones (more if its twins) 5 times stoping to type "you are..." only to have the kid die.
There has to be a way to give players some choice and the ability to reject towns they really don't want without annoying other players in the process.
Right, like I said, I think /die babies shouldn't leave bones. I also think they shouldn't be logged on the family tree. Beyond that, I'm not sure what could really be done about making mom lose hunger pips, or having to pause to pick a baby up. It annoys me too, but I think without some other major rebalancing, it's not really a solvable thing.
The rest of my post was more a response to others suggesting limiting /die usage or doing away with it entirely, which seems kind of ridiculous to me.
Using /die resets the birth cooldown. So whats the problem? People who didn't want to play with you didn't play with you. There is no good way to force people to play with you. That isn't how games work.
I would suggest not logging the SID babies in the lineage screen so your cool family tree isn't clogged up with players who didn't want to play and won't ever care to look at that tree. I've also seen it suggested that using /die should make the baby crumble to dust so mom doesn't have to clean up bones, which is a great idea; Mom shouldn't be punished for another player using /die.
Limiting player choice further creates way larger problems than it solves.
Why wouldn't Jason just wipe it himself?
Just had a doozy of a life.
I was born to a mom running through the wilderness. She wasn't an eve, just making her way to a bell tower. We are close enough to it I decide to stick around. I get separated from her along the way, but keep pressing on towards the home marker. I arrive to find an apocalypse tower with 3 endstones, surrounded by sone walls and a locked door. Pretty cool stuff, but of course not, what I'm looking for.
My mom survived though! She shows up on a horse cart and tells me town is nearby. I follow her and follow her, to no avail; She's lost. Now I'm lost and having kids of my own and my only marker is this dumb tower. Most of my kids die, but I have one daughter, who I bring up to speed. We end up muddling our way across the town eventually, real advanced place but long dead. Awesome! I start having a look around and have another daughter, when a stranger rides up on a horse. Double awesome!
Except not really. She says hi and asks if apocalypse has been stopped. I say "There are three stones. Door is locked though." She bows me to death. I guess she thought I made it. In retrospect, I probably should have led with "I didn't build it, lets go knock it down.
Or maybe she's the one in the doomsday cult. If the server wipes, now you guys know why.
Why not?
I had a nice quiet life just now, born to an Eve. I was her only daughter. I spent a lot of time hunting rabbits and gathering food. Sadly, she had no more kids, but lived to 60, quietly farming, while I brought supplies back to camp. Once I hit adulthood, I prioritized getting my yum chain up and kitted myself out in a full set of furs, sealskin coat, rabbit everything else. But no babies came; Not even any /dies. Once I hit 40 I had accepted the inevitable: my little camp was doomed. I remember reading a story on here about a guy who made it a mmission to make a real grave for his mother once the town is no longer viable. This sounded like as good a plan as any to me.
First big problem though was there was no iron; we had made a shovel and a hammer but that was the extent of our supply. So off I went. It took me the better part of the rest of my life to locate 3 pieces of iron on the surface, but I finallly managed. One shovel, adze and chisel later, I was ready to make my grave. Only up until now I didn't know how to make letter stock. I was 50 years old at this point and frantically alt-tabbing to the wiki to figure it out.
Side note here: Letter stock is dumb and needlessly complicated. To make an M I have to make 2 Vs, combine them into a W, flint chip it into an N and then combine THAT with an I. I fumbled one too, using a flint chip instead of a sharp stone and spent a couple of my now very limited minutes looking for another skewer. Why I couldn't just turn the W upside down, I have no idea. I made it in time though.
Finishing the grave gave off the same good feeling as completing any project in a thriving town. More in a way, since I was on my own and getting frantic as the clock was ticking down. Normally once the last fertile girl dies off, I wander into the snow naked and quietly starve. I'm glad I didn't this time though; Rewarding experiences can stilll be found after the camp is doomed. All our camps are doomed eventually after all.
If you were Eve Pie VIII, thanks for a fun life. Sorry I didn't have any kids.
Hah, well all I had at the time was my knife in my BP (was shepherding).
Thanks for the reassurances; I don't like killing and all the drama it creates, so I felt I was put in an awkward situation.
Hey folks, relatively new player here (compared to some of you guys anyway, got about 60 hours), wanted your opinion on something:
A little while ago there were two toddlers round hanging around the nursery spamming the word "fag". I show them my knife and say stop. They do not stop, I don't know if they were ignoring me or just didn't notice. I stab one. He asks why, the scene draws a crowd. I say I don't like people who say fag. "Is Joke" he says. "Bad joke" I reply. Crowd seems split on agreeing with me and thinking I'm the troll. I explain my actions and one person says I should stab the other kid too. He's still mouthing off so I do. He says "nigger" right before he dies so I reckon I made the right call. But then the mother curses me and starts warning people about me, and a few others seem wary of my actions.
I'm pretty comfortable with how I handled it, but I'm bummed out recieving my first curse over it. I certainly don't want to play with trolls, and honestly, if the situation repeats itself I think I'll probably kill again. I also don't want to end up stuck playing alone for however long because of curses. Is there any other way to deal with shit like that? Cursing them seems liable to get me cursed right back, and of course they were twins, and I can only curse once.
Seems like a tough situation, not a lot of great answers. What do you guys think?