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The game had some form of anarchy for a while.  There didn't exist allies, leaders, or posses.  Also, no possibility of running away before getting killed (no 'growl').  The result? 

Some people would get killed over trivial things.  You used some board to make a bucket, when someone else wanted to make (purely decorative) wood flooring?  Stab.  You had a backpack that someone else wanted?  Stab.  Killing over small matters, when anyone could do it, was not good. 

There also existed pein-style killing.  Someone like pein would believe someone doing the wrong thing.  Like watering too many berry bushes or the wrong berry bushes.  Stab. Maybe some of that could get justified.  But also, pein admitted he had a temper.  Hard to figure out when such killing made sense and didn't.  Then pein would get stabbed by some idiot also!  Yea, it didn't work out well.

Then there were the new players and they still something like "HOW KILL".  These days they mostly look funny and/or some experienced player kills them after getting exiled, or they give up on killing (which they should!) or go play something else, since this isn't a game about killing people just because killing exists in it.  It isn't a "kill or be killed" type of game.  It's a "multiplayer game of parenting and civilization building"  The new player saying "HOW KILL" was extremely far from playing consistently with such a concept.

Then there were new players who would figure out killing quickly.  You can see one in the video here at about 2:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuGrYoBzqOU  His cousin was just putting berries into a bowl.  And got shot dead.  The mother even predicted that would do such.  Those people didn't stop to think "huh... maybe I shouldn't try to kill for no reason in this game".  They just victimized their cousin trying to pick berries.  It was not a good experience trying to help out or do something and getting shot like that.

I also remember getting shot by my own daughter twice (and I mean playing with random people... playing low pop with friends is different.).  I think both times it was just me and her.  I remember seeing one making a bow, and I try to assume she plans to hunt a turkey.  Nope, I get shot dead.

And it wasn't like PvP games.  In PvP games, both players compete for some goal, and thus both have reason to kill.  But, in OHOL, it would usually be one person wants to kill without any in-game reason to do so.  And the other person doesn't want to kill, or would only kill for defensive purposes.  The first person has the goal of killing.  The second person has the goal of trying to make a better society or build stuff or parent or something constructive.

So, based on what I've seen, NO, anarchy would not be a good idea for this game.  It already had anarchy, and it was a bloody, boney mess.  And left plenty of *victims* who correctly felt unhappy with a game that didn't fit it's advertisement, because of jerks and idiots.

I do feel skeptical that democracy wouldn't work, because of the time issue.  Also, I don't know that democracy would work better.  I mean, genetic score tied to leadership, at least in general keeps out people who want basically want to victimize others, because they can.

I don't see any reason to change the current system, because it doesn't suffer from deficiencies.

And finally, anyone wanting something like the danger of the old days, can use '/unfollow' command at any age, refuse to run away if targeted, and thus they become as vulnerable as they were in the old days to getting shot when picking berries.

I would guess they were making it up, since Jason glasses/the default client doesn't have permanent identifications in game (there does exist a player's leaderboard which has a permanent identification though).

That said, if you use YumLife mod: https://github.com/selb/YumLife/releases, that has permanent identifications.  Names can get changed, but I think the id tag which initially comes as your identifier, won't change.

To imitate Tarr's style:

Change your work schedule so that you can play 4:00-12:00 A. M. EST (a little later even) when there's a new Eve spawn and/or a developing family/one before a diesel water pump. 
???
Profit.

Yea, that doesn't work.

Some more humor in response to this:

Make sprinklers and plow???

Alright, I just saw some on iamdox's stream.

Make radio telegraph too???  https://onehouronelife.fandom.com/wiki/Radio

Again, I'm joking.  Why oh why would you make the radio telegraph unless you play low pop, and/or make it, "because it exists" "because it's there" (and Jason if you're reading... do NOT try to fix the radio telegraph so it becomes useful.  There are plenty of more productive things to do than trying to make that thing useful.)

Apocalypse maker style:

"We need an apocalypse to reset the arc!  Then there will be new families, since the old ones will starve.  There will be linear town development too, since no one has anything!"

Yea, o. k.  But, after like 48 hours, there's almost surely a paved road, probably glass bottles, some trucks, and we're easily off of the initial oil pumpjack and onto oil wells (who likes the oil pumpjack as anything but a bootstrap anyways?).  And loom clothes started and up, if not now or soon getting transferred to the latest Eve camp also (trousers decaying would cause clutter... I remember basket decay and stuff spraying out everywhere).  Though, I remember playing after one arc, and it didn't completely feel like normal until a week or two into that arc, I do remember having some tan lady coming and visiting me as a black Eve with a horsecart like 2 days after the reset. 

Also, apocalypses reset tutorial areas.  The apocalypse is not a kind thing to do to a new player: http://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=10919  So, no.  Not a good solution on two points.

Additionally, I don't recommend anyone lose sleep to try to do the apocalypse. 

My style:

Hey look, server1 is active!  http://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=10912

Well, that did work.  For like 5 days or something when server1 was active.  No families made it through the unsplit/merge period, but honestly, I felt happy with it.  Some families made it start to finish and thus could claim that they succeeded!  And town development was linear too.  Then there weren't enough players to have players not checking a custom server split between bigserver2 and server1.  RIP

I made this post after the days playing on s1: http://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=10917

But,

1. Jason would have to find that idea interesting.

2. He'd have to recode his entire server movement process (the current system has bugs). 

3. Some now vets like SoloAceMouse would also have to deal with a change.

What you quote from Jason holds true, but what you quote from Forman is not how the game always was.

In addition to the above example where server1 was active (and there were other times it has become active), it use to be that players could '/die' and become an Eve.  Also, advanced objects getting thrown at Eve camps ruining the possibility of linear town development didn't happen when I first played, or happened rarely.  When I played between the first oil update and The Come Together Disaster, there were plenty of developing towns not on a pump or diesel water pump.  Finding them was not rare, as I recall, and they were not difficult to find.  People would resettle old towns, as Tarr would probably point out.  But, players who wanted to get away from places like "Bell town" (there was a town that got referred to by that name on the forums years ago), had meaningful options.  Also, even in an old city like San-Cal people could form a suburb and basically play as if they were starting over from scratch.

Specifically, as a case in point, I remember there was an update that changed from the pond to well system to the spring system.  I think it got called "Pump Overhaul", since pumps didn't use to bust, and they got changed to bust (I still like this aspect of that update).  I wanted to see how the new system worked.  But, since wells would cluster instead of more like the current day one well in center of town style, I could easily spot resettled towns that week.  I would often get born into a town with two wells adjacent to each other or something, and thus knew that this place had gotten resettled.  But, if I /died a few times, I could easily go to a new style one well town/camp.  And I don't think I even became Eve a single time that week (he did an arc reset after that week).  I still managed to get to the new/developing, pre-diesel or just diesel water pump town easily.

If there were some change, could I do so today?  Only at certain times of the day.  If it all.  Plenty of families would likely resettle and not experiment with some new water system.  So, definitely not; the game has not always worked that way.  The point of the game is not "being FORCED TO START AT THE //END// OF THE GAME //EVERY// TIME".

Jason made objects decay at one point when they hadn't previously, and if I recall correctly, commented on rebuilding from scratch.

The advertisement on steam says:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/5956 … _One_Life/

It doesn't say "help rebuild civilization from the end of civilization."

It says "from scratch".

Edit: I don't think "from scratch" has to mean from Eve or Eve's daughters.  A town can be deep well, or on a pump and the family still be building from scratch possibly.  A family can even still be 200 generations in and be rebuilding from scratch if you ask me, if they developed linearly.  But, if they get all sorts of loom clothes, an engine, and more even (I mean some of those things are even understandably scavenged... do players really want to make more buckets and get rubber supplies for every new family?), it just isn't rebuilding from scratch.  And resettling dead towns, even if wise, isn't rebuilding from scratch.  It ends up more like loading someone else's save file... even if that save file seems pleasant.

What an interesting and different sort of post.

It definitely made for something to see when iamdox saw that tutorial belltower on his stream.

I think 6000 m, or 6000 meters would be more accurate.  I mean, you could walk to the bell tower from some tutorial area where you first heard it. 

I think I remember reading on the discord that at some point in the past, birthing children from a tutorial area was possible.  But, that no longer works.

However, you can play as twins, triplets, or quads in a tutorial area.  To do so, one player either has a brand new account, OR one player logs into a tutorial area, but does not light a torch.  Then everyone logs in using the 'friends' screen and a twin code like how twins otherwise work.

I don't recall any advertisements by Jason about OHOL being some sort of killing game.  I don't recall anything about killing in the trailer, about daughters killing their mother (which I remember experiencing twice at least, once in a context where I was Eve chaining), mothers killing their daughters, aunts killing their nephews, or cousins killing their cousins.  I don't recall him saying any words about the game being violent also necessarily in any advertisements.  People like WBSteve who posted a video on war in OHOL was not making an advertisement.  He showed the game *as he played it*, and told a story.  He didn't say that the game was designed to be specifically played that way, nor that it would continue that way in the future.

The old killing mechanics had more issues also.  That new player?  He picks up a knife and all of a sudden stabs someone.  But why did he do it?  Was there an in-game reason to kill like that?  Nope!  It was often a "WANT TO KILL" sort of thing.  Someone didn't like that someone else used a board to make a bucket instead of for their wood flooring (which was just decoration)?  Stabby, stabby, without any hope of peaceful discussion.  Killing would sometimes happen for the most pettiest of things or because someone had a temper issue, as Pein suggested he did.  Would you stab your aunt, your cousin, mother, or uncle because she or he spoke rudely to you?  Well, I certainly hope you wouldn't.

Those killings also, as Tarr suggests, were not about survival.  They were not about parenting.  They were not about civilization building.  Those who killed also often didn't have the consent of  their victims.  It was victimizing people, not some sort of battle.

So, no, I don't know of any false advertisements on this issue.  The old systems were bad.  And if you still think otherwise, go read a book, learn to think for a change, and grow enough of a spine that you could be wrong on something.

Spoon family also ran into an issue which I think explains "why is it always carrot pie though?".  I got ghost Eve and started at the split period unlike Yearbys who started before the split period, and three times I saw that there were no pies and no one cooking pies.  I finally say "ORDER, NEED A COOK".  Someone says "THERES NOTHING TO COOK".  Now, I did walk to the garden and find a few carrots.  She wasn't right exactly, but she was closer to right than wrong.  There were so few berry bushes to the number of people as I recall, and the value of berry pie is low without enough yum, that berry type pie seemed not worth it.  We had a sheep pen up (not in the picture above), but due to (at least perceived) berry shortage, what would feed the sheep?  Mutton pie isn't reasonable without feeding enough sheep or killing mouflons.  And rabbits were waiting to respawn close, but additionally, I don't think we had burdock at that point, and it may have been quite a journey to get burdock.

From one perspective, it can get argued that the map generation code has been bugged for a very long time.  In this post https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=6365, Jason provided how the map looks with the original intended code:

https://imgur.com/K5s8cda

and the current buggy code (he said that the code was bugged... and then decided that bug should be a feature):

https://imgur.com/ZWt4IXb

And I call such buggy on the basis of having seen how we were kind of stuck on just carrot pie (I did cook other things, but I'm a vet).  And though I did go out and forge berries, playing in ghost Eve mode, I eventually looked at the time, felt it better to go eat dinner, and wander off to starve in front of a bear cave and left some berries which I don't know if they got planted (there may have been some berry bushes planted on the right side beyond the picture above, I'm not sure).  Also, on, I don't know how many comments about the milkweed system as inadequate that recur over and over and over again.  Rope finder is the name of the game for advanced players sometimes.

Additionally, in the picture above, seeing the malachite there, I'm guessing someone was trying to get a loom up.  But, what would feed the sheep?  Arguably, the newcomen engine isn't so relevant, since it came from some helpful friends who got their rubber before the incoming players split servers, but still...

Twisted in his latest YouTube video asked about this update, so I'll repost what I wrote here:

"The update makes it even more easy for players to resettle dead towns.  Is that rebuilding from scratch?  I don't think so.

The update makes it possible that a white woman can go to an Eve camp and try to raise her children there.  I did that once.  Is it good that I can do that?  Does it help players?

I guess going to an Eve camp and raising new players makes for a new sort of challenge.  I'm not sure it's a good one though, but whatever.

I played Eve Wood http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=9982276 as white and started in a mountain band.  Later on, I found that some of my descendants had moved back to an old jungle town like 4k right that had no/little kerosene.  I walked back on the road, and ended up having children that died early to starvation.  I did though reach where Eve and her daughters started a town, and had a child or two who lived a fair amount of time.  As I recall, I came back [got reborn] another life there, and had a nice time making paper with one of my relatives at least.  But having one's descendants as Eve resettle a dead town when you're trying to at least have your family have at least a semblance of rebuilding from scratch (who knows how much scavenging from old towns got done?  Arguably some of that may be alright, but still... it can be argued against also... or maybe it's alright since it can get considered repurposing, which Europeans are probably more familiar with than Americans), feels disappointing.

I had a server1 life where as a white man I went and helped Gingers start things up (after finding another Ginger family that had failed).  Next life I got born as a white girl, and well site was dry.  Gingers had tapped us out!  And I had helped my future family ruin the dreams of my Eve grandmother!  F---ing tapout!  It was nice when a Ginger apologized that their family tapped out that ready well site, and provide[d] a convenient excuse to go live at their town (which I wanted to do anyways, and was planning on walking there).  But still, what [were we] suppose to do?  Go dig up a well further away and walk more for iron, or go live with Gingers?

I have heard on discord that when someone wanted to get some specialty resources, it was convenient to have a white person around to translate.  But, I think that's about the only good thing I've heard come from this change.

Resettling old towns is NOT families rebuilding from scratch.  It is the furthest thing from it.  It is a cheat, and breeds entitled players who have not earned what they have.  It often results in players living in bad areas or not having the resources like kerosene to sustain an area.  It also spreads families out, since Eves spawn and sometimes run left, while resettling goes right.

This update encourages cheating, just like how the necessity of everyone staying close for trading/exchanging/gifting/stealing specialty resources made cheating so much easier for people.

Maybe it deserves a 44 out of 100.

And thank you for asking Twisted."

Also, on whites going to colonize an Eve camp.  Perhaps some veterans don't /die and play.  Sure, that's a new challenge, since you have less pips, and thus have to scramble more to get food.  But, if I did it a bunch of times, I'd expect to start racking up curses.  I can imagine hearing, "THAT WHITE LADY AND HER CHILDREN ARE EATING ALL OF OUR FOOD!".  And they would be right in that we would consume much more food than them.  Thing is, I'd end getting cursed for doing something suggested by the update picture.

Living in an area where you have to walk around a biome band is awkward.  I had experienced that awkwardnees a while back when I'd say get tan, and then walk to try to help out newer Gingers (arguably, sometimes taking too many things from dead towns... but taking things from dead towns discourages people resettling them).

But, mostly from what I've seen it has involved players resettling dead towns even more.  Perhaps some of that has been better than I've thought, or even necessary.  And yea, if you were Eve or her daughter and played at some town and the lineage dies out, and had more plans, I can understand frustration, and maybe resettling might even be beneficial to the server if there are no bottles and blacks resettle to make glass making easier, or gingers resettle so oil making is easier (gingers resettling can also make oil making harder... it's circumstantial).  But still, resettling a dead town with another family is cheating, or often seems like cheating.  And if someone says "well, it's been around forever", yea... so what?  Crime is still crime, even if it's been around forever.

It also makes it more difficult for people who want to play in a family which rebuilds from scratch and/or earns what they get from others (the family need not make buckets of latex from scratch... but shouldn't they have at least done something to earn those buckets of latex?  yea... getting latex can be a pain... so I have and others might through latex or kerosene at new families).

Additionally, last week some of us had played on Sunday on server1 and made a town in snow band there (hoping for a split to happen on Sunday, which didn't) , which had no family there when incoming players started getting split between bs2 and s1.  BlahWizard found graves of Furie people who were white: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … d=10064597 Was the white person one of the people who had played with us on Sunday?  Or some new player just wandering about the woods?  I'm guessing it was the later.

So I think I'm sticking with an F grade for the colonization change.

Edit: Previous version had a wrong link.  Added link.

The other changes described in the post above do seem good.

People who care about the opinions of a community, don't generally think like that.  Also, why the hell would statistical information about the behavior of other people be meaningless?  Statistical information often comes as more informative, not less informative.

In the absence of anything else, there's as much reason to believe other people's curses as to not believe them.  When you don't know whether or not some piece of information has truth or falsity or relevance or irrelevance, there's no reason to suppose things go either way.

Additionally, if there were a curse tree, then the majority of the community would have some sort of representation.  The majority of the community is not destructive.  If the majority of the community were destructive players, things would get destroyed more often than crafted.  And the majority of deaths would happen by actions of one player doing something to cause the death of another player.  Neither holds, and both are absurd.

The current system has it so that you can get born to someone who you've cursed.  Since destructive players often have behaved in such a way to kill or try to kill other players, why would you want to get born to a school shooter or mass murderer?  I mean, suppose that reincarnation is true, why would you want to get born in the next life to Marc Lepine?  Alright, you probably don't know who Marc Lepine was.