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Okay, that seems like a reasonable way to solve this without involving Jason.
For you, yes; for them, no.
You should not forgot that people had asked AWBZ to implement it (again.). It was there, but was removed when the /die command came and then people asked him to bring it back. Meaning that the /die command isn't the best way to solve it. People kept asking for an easier way to die and AWBZ had given them that. If he kept it out again, people will try other ways to use the same thing, or start griefing.
And really, people, what is the biggest problem here? You want them to stay, they won't stay so they leave. You can go say "Oh but three of my eight kids use this!" but you don't know WHY they use it. They use it because Jason didn't give us the option to easy say "I will be preferably born there and with that gender" so if they spawn with another gender/place they will want to leave. It is a bigger problem for them than for you. Because they need to use an exploit to play the game ..
I'm not much using it, but yes, I'm using it sometimes. Just like people use /die sometimes; but /die has backslash (you can't spawn back into the same family, but maybe you do it because you are a girl and there are twenty other girls? After using that you leave that family behind and can't come back, yay, that's happy!).
And like I say before, /die has more things. You HAVE to be 0 and in your MOMS arms. Dropped by a nursery? Can't use it. Don't picked up? Can't use it. Loading slow and 1 years? Can't use it.
The biggest problem is in my opinion that people HAVE to use an exploit than the fact that the exploit EXIST in the first place .. it wouldn't exist if people could choice were to be born. It wouldn't exist if people could go easier going out a line than "Being 0, in your mom's arms, an yay you can't come back here for three hours, have fun!"
The suicide "exploit" is there because people had asked for it.. Meaning that the way we can play now- without that "exploit"- is not enough for all players.
Punishing people by leaving (Even if thats for "less good place next time" or "You can only /die three times each day!" is just the problem; you can't force people to stay in your line if they don't want to. It's like MultiLife said: That you want someone to stay is saying that your wish (that a person stays) is more important than their wish to leave.
That's why this would be my idea:
Everyone from 0 to 15 can do /die, no matter if your in your Moms arms or not.-> New screen pops up with the question "Ban me from this lineage? Yes/no". -> person presses YES and get a lineage ban/person presses NO and gets no lineage ban -> Normal screen with "reborn" -> Person gets reborn in this lineage and does /die again -> new screen: "You did kill yourself twice in this lineage, do you want a lineage ban? Yes/no -> Person gets lineage ban/no lineage ban -> person gets reborn again -> person does /die -> New screen pops up: "You have killed yourself three times in this lineage. ? as girl and ? as boy."
- 0 times girl, 3 times boy -> If you get reborn, you play as girl -> /Die again? Lineage ban
- 3 times girl, 0 times boy -> If you got reborn, you play as boy -> /Die again? Lineage ban
- 2 times boy, 1 time girl (Or the other ways this can be if your three time born) -> Likely a troll, lineage ban
This way you would have kids dying for you, but you as mom wouldn't get a birth cooldown and they wouldn't get a punishment for leaving. I don't think it would ever be implemented, 'cause it is not in Jason's vision, but it would solve problems..
The option to play as eve/baby and girl/boy seems the best thing in this case; but one that will likely never happen. Because then there is the promise that you "Spawn as a random baby" not true anymore.
That being said, it is the best way in my opinion. People want the most fun out their hour and that means that they try to come somewhere they met there wishes.
- You are in a town but want an eve-camp? Suicide
- You are in a Eve camp but want a town? Suicide
- You are a boy but prefer a girl/are a girl but prefer a boy? Suicide.
But there is a solution! The /die command! But that don't work in most of the cases, because:
- Your mom runs away from you too let you starve? Too bad, you have to stay till your dead.
- Your mom runs away from you but someone else fed you? Too bad, you can't do /die because your not in your moms arms. Beside that, you will survive until you keep running away and people try to chase you.
- Your loading in costs more than a minute? Too bad, you are now 1 years old and not 0, so you can't /die.
And then, YES! You CAN do /die! It's a wonder! Of isn't it?
- You don't mind about the place but you don't want your gender? You have to die too, but /die won't work because thats special on your lineage.. So you have to run away.
- You have AWBZ's mod? Yay, the /die command isn't needed! You can just kill yourself! Bye family!
That's all seen from behind the baby. But, you have also the moms:
- Help this kid did /die and I walk around with bones! No worry, you will get another baby soon.
- Help this kid runs away and I want a baby! OR - Help this kid just died but he didn't starve and he didn't /die! Where is my baby!
Do worry, you won't get a baby soon because you have a birth cooldown. Wait till that's over and then you get a baby.. or not.
The way to "punish" a baby with a lineage ban for /die isn't the best way of action. Because, like I said earlier, sometimes that kid just don't want his gender but doesn't care about where it's born. It IS a good idea to bring a lineage ban to it, but I think it is better to work around it. See it like this:
Everyone from 0 to 15 can do /die-> New screen pops up with the question "Ban me from this lineage? Yes/no". -> person presses YES and get a lineage ban/person presses NO and gets no lineage ban -> Normal screen with "reborn" -> Person gets reborn in this lineage and does /die again -> new screen: "You did kill yourself twice in this lineage, do you want a lineage ban? Yes/no -> Person gets lineage ban/no lineage ban -> person gets reborn again -> person does /die -> New screen pops up: "You have killed yourself three times in this lineage. ? as girl and ? as boy." D
- 0 times girl, 3 times boy -> If you get reborn, you play as girl -> Die again? Lineage ban
- 3 times girl, 0 times boy -> If you got reborn, you play as boy -> Die again? Lineage ban
- 2 times boy, 1 time girl (Or the other ways this can be if your three time born) -> Likely a troll, lineage ban
Or we can just be easy and give people a way to choose how to be born in the first place..
I always use AWBZ's zoomout mod, mostly one time or two times zoomed out (1.5 and 2 of normal view I think?) and look after that to the info menu saying ".. girls related" ".. fertile woman related". I don't think that's bad or something; it can be a distent view of someone else because I see more, but again, I don't think thats a problem. I can help find things easier than someone who runs around in circles for example. I'm also not using the function to grief- like hiding things further away- but I can use it in following a griefer, because he can't see me following but I can see him do things. Not a bad thing either if you ask me.
So, I just had a life as June, gen 11 from the Farthing dynastie in a big, big village. I was running around getting backpacks, raising kids, losing kids because they suïcide and just playing; at one point become a little worried because there was no girl in the dynastie, only two other female fertile woman beside me. So I was happy when I got a girl, who promptly suïcide thanks kid, then after that another girl. I was happy with her so named her and brought her into the bakery, where my mom was asking if there were girls. So I looked at my screen from AWBZ and told her "No girls except this one, three fertile woman including me." my mom, baffled, asked me how I know that so I explained "I use AWBZ's mod".
Then it turned downhill. My mom, aunt and the girl in my arms promptly told me I was a cheater, so I tried to explain that I wasn't cheating; I only can look furhter! Before I came far in my explaination though, my mom stabbed me for the reason "Cheaters have to die!" and the girl fell to the ground. My aunt tried to safe me, but no pads, then the girl died- leaving "No girls related" in the right corner of my screen- and then I died. I think I get a baby on the very last moment because there is a kid after my daughter Amelia, but I didn't saw him being born.
But, I really don't know what is the problem with using this mod? It was seeming so big issue so that people killed me, but why? It's not that I got a big avangement towards others! Yes I see more of the world in one eye, but it isn't like I use- I don't know- mods where I can fly or never get hungry or can run twice as fast as other people? It's the first time people have a problem at all, I'm not shady about using it, but before this someone at least say "Oh can you help me find this or that?" Why the sudden hate against it?
So I just get a weird bug.. I was playing in the tutorial when I decided to make a basket on the new way (Old way is reed on ground, other reed on ground, comebine; new is reed on ground, other reed on bush but then combine) and then.. Well, I got on the other way on the reed. But the reed was placed next to a wall, with one way to get it (from before) and the game decided to place me AFTER the reed ..
And then got stucked, because I couldn't move anymore. There was reed left, reed right, a wall right after me and reed right before me, so I couldn't move. Couldn't eat either, because I stay there with that basket in arms, so I starved to death. I don't think this was the idea, right?
I want more animalnames!! Lion and tiger works .. but elephant becomes elewi and giraffe becomes girl.. Coyote, rhino and stuff also didn't work. So sad!
Mom
Ma
Mama
Sis
Bro
That's exactly what I said in another topic:
"So I suggest to make a difference between why your baby suicide. Is it because there are enough girls and they are a girl? Is it because they WANT to be a girl and be a boy? Is it because there mom ran away? Is it because they just don't like the place? Is it because it is an early Eve camp and they want a city, or vice versa? Because that all makes a different situation!"
You can make people stay, babies stay, but what if they then get a grudge and decide to kill you/grief the camp? I would rather that a baby ran away/suicide on the spot than that it ran away with tools when its big enough to run! Or that they set loose the bears because "ugh I didn't want to stay, stupid family!" I mean, yes, it is annoying to see that almost every kid suicide.. but sometimes thats better than when they stay. I have a couple of times that I ignored the pleas of a wanting-to-suicide-baby and that they then decide to grief the whole camp .. yes, nice, if they can't run because you hold them and steal everything!
On the other hand, I myself want to play as girl most of the times. Some other people hate to play as girl, because of the babies. If you force them to stay and get kids/be reborn time after time after time to that same mom with the same gender, towns will die because of no girls .. or the other way, they have ten girls who give birth to girls.. who give birth to girls.. it's like the Ginger-apocalypse all over! No food because of all running kids, starving, famine's.. not something I want to have either.
So then you have it. You can't suicide because your mom won't let you die, so you grief. Then your family has a problem because you grief and need to make all tools, you have too big families because all girls stay, or no girls because you didn't get girls .. I don't think thats the solution at all. I agree we have a problem and I understand your vision Jason, about not wanting to change the game so everything is "random" but im afraid that it takes one problem away (for now), but it creates another problem.
Well I was the “bitch” who shot you. First of all, that backpack wasn’t given to your mom, or you didn’t say “mom its yours keep it!” so yes, I took it. It lay on the ground and I was busy with that pen, as kid. Your mom also said I could keep it so that’s nothing to whine about. If she really wanted it I had given it to her without problem, but she found it OK.
Back to the pen. My grandmother started it with half oven bases, half fences. I was running from it to the green area and back with branches to make more fences; while doing that your mom turned the adobe which was lying around into oven bases and two actual ovens. Which was in your eyes “My fault because I was wasting it”. I explained why we got half ovenbase and half fence so that we could start with sheeps. You didn’t listen at all. You decided it was a great idea to get water and demolish all oven bases because your idea was the best and I was dumb. Or, that was what you told me. Because you keep demolishing it and I keep rebuilding it -Because we could have sheeps! Get them!- you were wasting my time. We could have six sheeps in the time we were arguing about that pen.
I then decided to skip the talking. You were definitely not going to listen to me so yes, you where a griefer. Killing work that others do without a reason is griefing. I would kill you earlier if I didn’t get a baby at the moment I made a bow, but I waited till she was old enough. My other cousin has to go so I fed both babies before I killed you. Then I both called to me and explained what I did, telling that if they wanted to kill me I wouldn’t argue, but that I found I did good. I didn’t get killed so I guess they thought the same!
If you where friendlier you had a change I would listen to me. But your attitude was bad, you blamed me for all was wrong with the pen, called me dumb and then wasted my time.. You deserved it to be killed. If you just let me work and get more branches we would change it when we had more wood. Also I didn’t care about that curse and you where not a token worth IMO; I do that with more annoying people.
Bobby Quint: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=1216048
I want to apologize to you because I did kill you while you was innocent. I should have listen to and suspect your sister Mariah, also because you had warned me for her and that she let babies die. At the moment of the killing, I didn't see who of you it was.. I saw it was my daughter and she had brown hair. But both you and Mariah had brown hair and exactly the same clothes, so it was hard to see the difference..
Mariah first shoot one of your cousins, Maria, and then run/walked away; I had not a knife at that moment and we failed to safe her. We were just standing there talking when an arrow shot right through her heart. She had a knife so I picked it up with the intention to kill the griefer; shortly after thay I saw you there standing with the same clothes and the brown hair so I thought you were the killer. After you passed away not even a minute passed, we were just talking to your other cousin Melody when it happened again. An arrow shot by a brown haired woman with the same clothes as you had.
At that moment I realised my mistake and that you were innocent.. but that was too late, because you were already dead! So I killed your sister and then grief fell over me. I had killed my girl, my little girl who didn't do anything wrong and who had two babies watching it at that time! So I wanted to share my story and apologie to you. I don't know if you are on the forums, but if you are..
Know that I'm sorry.
I thought it was one hour/curse.. not sure though!
So if you have ten curse tokens you need to spend 3 hours (1 hour = 9 curses, 2 hours = 8 curses, 3 hours = 7 curses) to come back to the normal server. You have to be under 8 curses to be on the normal curse, so in this case with 3 hours you are there. 3 real hours, so if you die each time at age thirty that would be six lives.
I think we have to make a difference in why people suicide/die as baby; because in some cases it is worse than in other cases. But, thats my opinion lol. What I mean is that your opinion (punish all those babies) won't work; because you also punish innocent babies; and beside that, not all babies suicide when they are 0. Some suicide when they are 2 or 3 and thats more bad in my opinion.
So I suggest to make a difference between why your baby suicide. Is it because there are enough girls and they are a girl? Is it because they WANT to be a girl and be a boy? Is it because there mom ran away? Is it because they just don't like the place? Is it because it is an early Eve camp and they want a city, or vice versa? Because that all makes a different situation!
I for example suicide often because I'm a boy; so yes, I won't like to be killed or lineage banned because it's not the lineage but my gender. Some other people want to be a boy, but also dont care about there enviroment. The same for babies who's mom ran away and let them die. And the babies who's mom fed them but then ran away and let them starve, or get killed and couldn't feed the kid anymore.
What I find more annoying is someone who suicide because they want to be back to there "old town"/"Eve camp" because that life is over and you should stay where you are; after all, that old town would be there in an hour also. This also counts for Eve camps and towns; you couldn't like it, but I don't think you should suicide because of that. If you don't like it you could always make an outpost for the main camp.
I would say that the second group would be punished and the first not .. not because I'm part of the first group, but because those people don't care about if it is an eve camp, town or something in between. They just didn't have the luck to be grown up (as there gender they want/as a kid). I on the other hand would say that the second group is bad; because the people of that group would be suicide town after town, baby after baby, until they have their "dream place".
I reacted also in that other topic but I guess you didn't saw it lol! Did you make some screenshots?
Also... bathing babies in simmering water sounds quite.... brutal.
Not direct when it water is boiling, of course! But more that uncooked water isn't fresh and cooked water is; so you have to cook the water and then wash your kid!
Aand.. one time, I guess on or two weeks ago, I had a baby as woman, Dax Sass. I had to go afk so I asked my sis, Sally, to feed me which she did; so I went AFK and that kid stayed in my arms. And stayed, and stayed.. She become a young child, a teen and after that a woman. So I stand there with my kid in perfect spot and she got babies and I got babies lol! She starved because she didn't want to leave me, so when I came back she was dead.. But I bet it was a thing to see lol! A woman with a woman in arms, both getting babies.. poor kids lol.
diapered baby + aging to when they can pick stuff up = kid + soiled diaper
Kid won't exit soiled diaper = Stinking kid in dirty diaper
Stinking kid in dirty diaper => kid exits diaper => stinking kid + dirty diaper
Dirty diaper + simmering water = wool diaper
Stinking kid + simmering water = clean kid
It would be funny though; "Mooom bro stinks change him!"
I would like to have diapers though .. and that that poop can be used as dung. (Say that then baby poop = 1 dung) with smell circling of the baby when not changed and the kid getting more hunger because no good childcare.
Some random things~
Are the sasses still alive? I was Sally Sass (brunetter) I wanted to help my sister Sally make the stew farm, but Dax was going afk and trusted me to feed her! She had a kid who stayed in her arms and there were a bunch of people watching!
Was you Sally?? I was Dax! My mom IRL randomly said she wanted to eat RIGHT THEN so it was in the middle of a game like "..i have a baby. I'm a woman. Help??" was so sad that she starved, I would love to see that I had grandkids running around lol! But it was very funny to see all your kids who where like 'WHOA SHE MOVES' because I stand half my life still with kid in arms.
But this was another family with the same last name!
http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=1190372
@MultiLife: Normally I don't care really lol. But this was just unfair on more than one ground.. It happened, it was done but people keep accussing him after his back and telling him he was a griefer. (While he was working for what I saw, they just show up and blame him). Normally not my thing either, if it's not me who's acused I mostly ignore it; but this time I was asked to investigate it. My reasoning was indeed "well I don't know for sure if he was griefing, or watering that bush next to him, but he isn't know so lets go" but since people keep going back to him and then just decided to stab him (because he "was making problems") it felt different for me. Not because I'm a hero or some sort of wanted to be the one who decided to kill him.. but because it felt really unfair that the woman who tells everyone he was a griefer didn't get killed because she "causes problems" and the man who didn't do anything in that matter wás killed ..
I can also imagine people killing the mothers who ask that, because what does it matter..
Today was another crazy day in a big village. I was born from a mother who was busy but fed me, se forgot to name me though. So when I asked for a name a boy took me in his arms and give me my name. From that time I was know as “Lillian Sass”. My childhood was happy and I soon found two kilns with a lot of iron, so I had found my calling. I would be the smith! A couple of years I was busy with smithing until I heard screams. “THE PEN IS BROKEN! THE SHEEPS ARE FREE! THEY MUST DIE!” I heard. I frowned somewhat but decided to ignore the tumult; after all, there was a lot to do and I didn’t feel I had the time to run away every so often to look and see what happened. After a couple of minutes it silenced again and it was calm enough to smith further. After a time I thought I could better sort our tools so when doing that my uncle Purav came to me and gave me his apron with knife; he then told me that there was a rumour that a cousin of me- Dodger Sass- had freed the sheeps and that I had to investigate in before deciding to kill anyone with the knife he gave me. I agreed, killing someone over rumours is never good!
So I get my first baby boy and started to look around to ask people what had happened. First I came onto Dodger, of who my uncle was talking and telling him that I was in charge now. So I ask him about his side of the story and told him that I wouldn’t kill him yet, only if it was fully recognized he was guilty. He wasn’t in my mind. After talking with Dodger I walked to one of the womans who said she had seen Dodger breaking the pen by “Adding water with a bowl”. She said she had “Seen so because he was next to the pen with a bowl”. That sounds more intrigued than it was; right beside the adobe based pen was the berry farm .. so who said he wasn’t watering the berries instead..? She didn’t know how to answer that but repeated that “He was guilty!”.
I then asked some other people who all said that same woman (Was it Love Sass? I almost think so ..) had seen it, but they didn’t see it themselves. So it could also be that Love was the one who sabotaged the pen, or that some other kid sabotaged the pen while nobody watched! It was all with all not a clear story, and I was still not proven that Dodger was guilty. Not by me, anyways. While walking around with my third son I heard the mom of Dodger ask him about it an blaming him; then telling him that he had to ask the blaming person (Love? Still don’t know.) herself.
Dodger did that. He walked to the middle of the berry field and asked why she told lies about him. She said she had seen him with a bowl beside the pen. I chimed in and asked- again- why she thought he was it- after all, the first time it was “A blonde boy” and that whole community was blonde!- but she didn’t seem to have the answer to that. More people chimed in and choose for the woman, ignoring both me and Dodger who asked questions.
After a couple of minutes one older woman told Love Sass (The woman who accused him? Still not sure lol) to kill him because “he was making trouble” but come on, who wouldn’t if they where accused for something?! Even beside the fact IF dodger was really the one who sabotaged the pen, what did you think he would do?? Let people talk about him after his back and blaming him for something he did or not do? That I wanted to tell them. I didn’t have the time though, because at that moment Love Sass choose to stab Dodger Sass, her brother. I protested and stabbed Love Sass because “You can’t kill anyone for nothing! You don’t know if he was guilty!” but couldn’t even finish those senteces .. because at that moment, not one but TWO WOMAN decided I must dead so stabbed me.
My son tried to help me and fed me, which led after killing him too .. Rust in Peace little Dario Sass, you was just sixteen years old.
What I want to tell with this story is not that Dodger had broken the pen, or not broken the pen. What I want to do is to make people think about it. They all say that Dodger was the one, because one woman said so. They all blame him, because one woman saw him with a bowl. With right from him the pen and left the berry field. She didn’t see him add the water on the pen, nor on the field. She only saw him there. And people believed her, because she said so. They killed him, because they believed her and because some other woman said he must dead. Because he ‘caused problems.” No people, we do. We believe people without knowing for sure, we curse people and kill people because they wanted to safe the one who comes up from someone like that. And that is a very bad way to play, I think.
Rip Dodger Sass- 31 years old.
Rip Love Sass – 25 years old.
Rip Lillian Sass- 41 years old.
Rip Dario Sass- 16 years old.
I am sorry Purav Sass, that I didn’t find the guilty person. I'm also sorry Dodger that I couldn't stop your dead if you are really innocent; and I'm sorry for my sweet Dario because he was killed for trying to save me. All
If you dont care for it but drop the baby by a caring player/say sorry or something it would be different.. Lots of times I have been born to (or saw as child/adult) a woman giving birth and running away. If you're in a hurry/food low its understandable .. but dont let your child alone in the middle of a village without saying anything!
So the baby spawns in, hungry, looks around and sees only strange people, has no name, is just left to die. I feel sad about stuff about that. If you play as a woman you choose to play as a woman (and sure, some people don't sucidide so they don't 'choose' to, but if you REALLY dont want to have a baby and dont even care to say sorry/drop by someone who can feed it, dont start that life as a woman!)
Or pants with pockets? After all, did you ever see a real pair of pants without me? Me not!
At the moment you can choose to stay there and play or not (after all, you can always choose to not eat so you die, so it IS a game mechanic). I'm choosing not to stay if I'm a boy by starving myself and yes, then I get a new life. I don't think that is wrong. Yes, sometimes I spawn three times in the same family, two as boy which I suicide and one as girl where I stay, but so what? It is not that I suicide because I don't like the players, I dont like my gender at that moment. Even if I'm reborn a couple of times, I maybe get two other babies away from a mom .. or one, if I don't respawn there/respawn by another mom.
If you say that suicide people are not a part of the game, so is the same with bots or with griefers (because, after all, they didn't "work for the future), or racist, or woman killers, or ... name it. We are all a part of the game so you can deal with it or not. And no, I don't want to have a discussion about the fact if my reasoning is "bad" or "wrong", I just want to give my thoughts about it.
I am a suicide baby.. but I won't like to be killed lol. I almost always kill myself if I'm a boy, often spawn more than once by one woman/family as boy. Yesterday for example I suicided two times before I was a girl in the same settlement. Most of the times if I respawn in a place I just ran out as boy, I apologize to my former mom though.. explaining why I quit.
(And yes, I know that boys are also good to play and stuff .. but I really love the baby aspect of the game; learning new players things and stuff. Beside, it happened more than half of the time that in an eve/early settlement everyone who can have babies died and you are there as man thinking "..Great. If only I was a woman..")
So if I get suicide babies its annoys me, but I also understand; beside, what can I say about it if I do it myself? The only thing I didn't understand is when a woman didn't raise her kids .. after all, you choose to be a woman, so you get kids, so you care. If you don't like that, play as male.
I love the wool shirts so don't say "Nobody uses them" lol.