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You are 100% correct, the biggest killer in civs today isn't griefers (although majority of people in the forum will disagree). It's overpopulation, one fertile female on average spits out 7 kids, and way to many mothers keep 100% of their kids. See it all the time, an eve who hasn't even begun getting even the tools crafted to make a fire (stone axe, fire bow drill etc.) has 4 children running around eating everything in sight. When I'm born I have a quick look at the current situation of my family and if I think myself being alive is going to over populate, I go snake hugging.
Actually I think it's very good situation to be born into. Especially as as girl. What I do is grab a basket with carrot as soon as I can and run off 1 or 2 biomes away. I chill out near berry bushes for couple of minutes and then go back. Overpopulation problem is already solved via natural means. And few people that are still alive are all experienced players. You can have super cool game from then on. Sometimes you even take smithing lessons in Eve's camp!
Once in a while I have even one or two more people chilling out around the same bushes. So you can have a chat and it's not boring while you wait for overpopulation problem to solve itself.
Which I feel is reasonable, since the eve will most likely do better if she can get some things started before she has to begin childcare.
I thought like this but actually I had best runs with the kid that spawns right at start together with me. If you pick them off, name yourself, name them, and immediately start temp running, you are signalling to them that you know what you doing. If they stay put in your arms for few minutes and don't talk anything until they think spot is good, you know you're gonna be smithing in this lifetime. Once you found the right place, they are old enough to grab a basket and start doing something usefull immediatelly.
There are like 50 people playing:
http://onehouronelife.com/reflector/ser … ion=report
All the towns got wiped out with the decay+milkweed nerfs and finished off by the griefers. Most people suicide as Eve or Eve's child. So they get born to remaining overpopulated villages.
This is very peacefull place BTW. Mass murders usually started around 3rd generation:
http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … _id=176733
But this improved significantly, and if you are lucky, you get slaughtered by your second kid, once she is old enough to hold a knife:
http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … _id=195516
I got spawned today as a baby there again. I was curious what really happens, so instead of working my ass off as I usually do, I just run around the place and looked. And there are 2-3 players forging knifes. And there is room with a door and lock and bunch of closed boxes there where they store knifes, bows, arrows, pies, woolen clothes, etc. So they can easily go on killing spree whenever they spawn there again. It's like going on safari.
So if you do anything constructive there, you basically just populating slaughterhouse for them.
And that's why we have like 65 people playing out of 14000 that bought the game.
Remember: if you are not killing in this game, you are just a wild game. It's PvP TPS in disguise. The real men let you breed for few generations, and then they come with the guns and wipe your family off.
i like the limits on it, but it should be balanced with spawn rates, if we calculate with carrots, around 100 per person, it needs 20 water a lifetime, for 20 tiles and 3 seed rows 3x7 based on 5 carrot seeding, thats 23 water per person which is kinda 1 pond more or less, sheep dung is serious limitation for calculating with pies, and still a lot of waste product because player skill and grain usage
So what does it mean in practice? That the largest towns will be able to sustain 10-15 people. And a newb or two eating carrots and doing nothing else will collapse the whole civilization?
I should name all of my kids "Stephano" and then have my last words be "My favorite child was Stephano".
I would be scared shitless TBH.
Here is someone that names all the children "Horizon" and proceeds (successfully) to eradicate the lineage:
http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … er=horizon
Backpacks should decay in 5 hours, like all the fur clothing and stuff does. Currently it decays in only 2 hours for some reason. It is how Jason wanted the game though, so it isn't a bug.
Well, I'm not talking about how long they last. I'm talking that they suddenly destroy items you put in them.
Well wool clothing doesn't take milkweed, so there is hope in that regard.
I think they don't deteriorate either. Don't worry, it'll nerfed soon. It cannot stay like this.
I think backpacks are still worth it though. A backpack is probably worth it no matter how expensive it is to make.
I really like the way they decay now. Your grandma gives you precious backpack. Then after two minutes "pufff" and half of your items are gone. Then after a short while another "pufff" and all your items are gone. A really convenient way of getting rid of important stuff. Is is a bug or a feature?
Give us a moment to get our bearings.. I have not yet loaded the map and I hear the wail of the baby...
Isn't that a bug though? Game preloads lots of stuff when you launch it, and then, after you are born, you still don't see anything for like 5-10 seconds. Happens only on first run - later everything is already in cache.
afloatingstone wrote:This. Since milkweed can no longer be farmed, mass transportation of water (both buckets and carts requiring rope) seems unreasonable.
You can still farm milkweed, it is just crazy expensive. Four soil to make a rope is nuts.
Can you really afford that though? You need to combat decay all the time. Backpack is luxury item already. Haven't seen full set of clothes in long time.
We're already down from 68 generations last week to 18 today:
This Week's Long Lines:
Usher 34 years old Generation: 68 Died 6 days ago
Ama 60 years old Generation: 67 Died 6 days ago
Unnamed 52 years old Generation: 67 Died 6 days ago
Luna 48 years old Generation: 67 Died 6 days ago
Rex 28 years old Generation: 67 Died 6 days ago
Today's Long Lines:
Horizon 1 year old Generation: 18 Died 23 hours ago
Horizon 0 years old Generation: 18 Died 23 hours ago
Horizon 5 years old Generation: 18 Died 23 hours ago
Horizon 9 years old Generation: 18 Died 23 hours ago
Askari 44 years old Generation: 17 Died 23 hours ago
Do we really need more nerfs? Decay+milkweed already killed every single town.
i hope to jason thats a feature and not a bug
I hope so. Graves then can by usefull after all.
Anyone else eve spawned into a half-city/ruins before?
I've spawned into something like this 3 times (2 as Eve, 1 as child of Eve). Quite fun trying to restore it to former glory. Just run around and gather all knifes. If not, mass murder starts as soon as second or third gen can hold a knife in hand.
http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … _id=122250
Eve West
Distant Relative
49 years old
7 days ago
Killed by Marked Grave with Chisel
Final words: "Found no mufflon but this"
LOL. How do you do that?
or be fully clothed with a backpack of food
That's a joke, right? Since recent nerfs (decay+milkweed) that's very rare image. I can have backpack or two as Eve. In towns it takes half a lifetime to make one.
If you let a baby die, that player can't respawn into the family again for like 3 hours or something. So it probably isn't wise to let everyone die in mass, as you may run out players who can spawn in the family. That is why it is better to have a male, than a female who just lets all her children die.
Oh, this problem has been already solved with recent nerfs. There are no viable towns anymore in the game. Or am I just unlucky? Just looking at the stats for all players:
Recent Elder Deaths:
Eve Hood 60 years old Generation: 1 Died 65 seconds ago
Eve Yom 60 years old Generation: 1 Died 2 minutes ago
Eve Lovecchio 60 years old Generation: 1 Died 4 minutes ago
Nameless 59 years old Generation: 1 Died 4 minutes ago
Eve Storm 59 years old Generation: 1 Died 4 minutes ago
Today's Long Lines:
Horizon 9 years old Generation: 18 Died 21 hours ago
Askari 44 years old Generation: 17 Died 21 hours ago
King 18 years old Generation: 17 Died 21 hours ago
Kden 16 years old Generation: 17 Died 21 hours ago
Wacey 1 year old Generation: 17 Died 22 hours ago
Hmm, all from the same family, wiped out by a griefer:
Askari
44 years old
21 hours ago
Starved
Final words: "Im not stabing you"
Jeanette
Aunt
54 years old
21 hours ago
Killed by Askari
Final words: "Eat shit"
Niya
Mother
42 years old
21 hours ago
Killed by Askari
Final words: "Lol"
Nameless
Daughter
1 year old
21 hours ago
Killed by Askari
Final words: "O"
Horizon
Son
5 years old
21 hours ago
Killed by Askari
Final words: "Mam!?"
Horizon
Son
1 year old
21 hours ago
Killed by Askari
Final words: "Y"
Rest people that starved was probably fleeing the town.
http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … &id=182688
Oh my god. You seriously asking for another nerf here? While I agree that this is not realistic, it's currently the only way I succeed to set up a settlement as Eve. If this gets nerfed I basically will have to suicide every single time I'm not spawned in the perfect spot.
No town is complete without a solid supply of long straight shafts.
LOL
What you might misundrstood, sc0rp, is that the game, even us, cannot makes the different between action while reading the input done, if it is good or bad because it depends of the situation. It's just of letters and numbers. As said before : Is feeding sheep with all the last remaining food good or bad ? Is killing somebody cutting trees good or bad, etc...
Well, I repeat. I never proposed automatic behaviour. As to the people not being right all the time? True. But IRL, even if we cannot catch and sentence every murderer or thief, and sometimes someone innocent is punished, we sill have law and courts and jails. To deter others from doing that.
I get that ponds and shallow wells are only meant to be temporary steps on the tech ladder but the top tier, which is currently deep wells, should be more generous until the next tier is implemented.
+1
Nerfing something before giving access to next tier of tech seems like bad idea for me too.
breezeknight wrote:i am complaining about NO protection from murder, NO prevention against murder, NO cure for murder & NO consequences for the murderer
i am complaining about the complete helplessness of a murder victim & the favouritism of killings in OHOL
i do not know one single game where the killers are being favoured while the victims are being misled into the belief that the game is not about killingConsidering OHOL is meant to be analogous to real life (with artistic interpretation), why don't we see how murder is dealt with in real life:
1. Protection from murder? A robust legal system discouraging it and the ability to arm yourself for self defense
2. Prevention against murder? Its called properly raising your kids to know murdering is bad, or if they still think it is good then medicate them heavily and lock them away (Asylums existed for a reason). Also a legal system that waves consequences in your face.[...]
Well, IRL you do not respawn. So if you killed or caught murderer, that's it, you've dealt with the problem. Current, most severe punishment in OHOL is being teleported to another town, with carte blanche, to do the same. Oh, and if you fucked up, and didn't manage to eradicate the whole lineage, you cannot teleport back to original town to finish it off for 3 hours. But your friend on Discord can...
it's even worse than an actual PvP
in an actual PvP both sides know there will be killings & the game is full with options to kill as well as to prevent being killed, to protect against being killed, to cure near death & the killing is not instantaneus with just one stroke, from 100% health to 0% & being booted out of the game
+1
I immensly enjoy games where the whole purpose is killing you opponents. But those games have good balance. If there were proper ways to deal with the griefers in game I wouldn't have any problem with them beeing around. Complaining about them would be like complaining about rushes in Starcraft. If you got rushed you just playing it wrong. Scout, see what is coming, prepare, easily fend off and if the rusher doesn't quit a this point you, with all the advantage in economy, easily kill him in next 2 minutes. Easy win.
In OHOL: griefer is born into your settlement as your child, eats your food, uses you resources to make a bow, lures in a bear, and shoots fleeing people in the back. Any viable defense startegy for that? It's early settlement. If I start making bows and arrows for self defence instead of other usefull tools, I most likely starve before griefer shows up.
This change will also make it necessary to build farm on the swamps. So you will have naked ppl running in the cold. They will run through the food four times faster, which is deadly, especially for kids.
If you place farm in more optimal place kids won't be able to help you either - most will starve out running long distance to the wells, as it frequently happens in Eve settlements.
Can't do any missions till you are grey as a lady... Always popping out people!..
I can do missions like, get sheep and get horse and stuff as Man.
As lady I have to smith or farm or bake for the most part.
You don't need to keep them all, you have that option. But I agree that it feels bad. And I usually bring back kid with me, even if born far away from city.
As a boy, if village runs out of fertile women., whatever you do is completely pointless.
You can see who was murdered by cause of death in the family tree browser.
Last time I ran an analysis (two months ago, when griefing was at its peak and murder was easy to do without getting caught), about 1% of lives ended in murder.
Not sure what the rate is today.
With this kind of statistics you are seriously underestimating the impact of griefing. Just one example (don't have a link - can I search somehow for lineages from few days ago?). In lineage it looks like only two or three people were killed by griefer. What's the deal, right? How about others killed by grizzly bear? It was lured in by the griefer before he started killing himself. How about those that starved while running from armed greifer? Those also are his victims. Kid starved after his mother was killed? Griefer victim.
Even if it is griefing, I don't think people grief for very long. It's human nature to be bored and test the limits of the game; seeing if you can murder an entire village; it's a slowly expanding game, and people will get bored.
I fully agree that people grief sporadically. The problem is that with current game balance griefing is immensly powerfull. So it's not like you are griefing and then one other person had bad experience. It's more like one griefer = twenty unhappy people. One or two greifers on the server and it looks like greifing is everywhere.