One Hour One Life Forums

I just want to put here some points.

1. The concept is, we are rebuilding the civilzation. So, game chars are modern human, usually without survival skills, dropped naked in wilderness. Than hard eveing is OK.
2. In most modern wilderness people cannot live. The best land is turned into farms, some lands not capable to farming is left for modern hunter gatherers. But all the rest of wilderness is inahbitable. So, if you managed trough modern survival camp, you woild do even better dropped in the wilderness our ancestors lived.
3. But a real hunter-gathering in rich environment is easy. Too easy actually. Overhunting is eventually leading to weakening of tribe and raid from others, most reasonable groups. This is why modern hunter-gatherers work only 2 hours a day, this is why humand as spiece is very lazy. We were well prepared to not outharvest regrowing resources.

So, from the gameplay perspective it is good eveing is hard. But I won't call it very realistic.

I did not pretend anything but... Thanks, i guess?

Again, nope Gandhi said
I do believe that, where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence...
Then he said, when there are more choices, violence should be the last solution. But it still better than letting bad things happen, like theft.

I hope so! Current game design is dehumanizing us, it changes us to ants not able to plan own future, future of kids, only contribute as much as possible to hive. The peace we have in game is no real peace. The real peace comes from will of people, not because we are not able to do violence.

So much truth. The whole post, but I wanted to quote at least that

He treated my ingame life as not worthy to bother, he just used my work. I considerd his ingame life as something worthy being taken off. So, I treated him much better.

Exactly. I've only twice killed somebody who stealed an item I was just using. In both cases stealer refused to communicate. Most of people, even if they consider their job is more important and steal item, justify themselves or even ask for permission. I always allow it then.

I never treat others as ingame resource. I won't let it happen, nor to myself, nor anyone around.

This two sentences exclude each other often. I work as smith, shephard, tailor lately and people often request something from me. I almost always ask something in return, even if it is just time I can teach them crafting requested item. Too often it happens, players are requesting much, but don't contribute to the village. So, being egoistic is in fact making people work together. The invisible hand of free market

I don't care about unintended negative impact. Even when city was short on food and we needed compost, while roleplayer was using the last shovel for burials, I asked for it and explained why I needed it. Of course I would steal it if he did not agree, but still i treated him like a person.

It ended with broken shovel, me searching iron for 20 minutes, asssembling 2 shovels and leaving them by sheep pen and graveyard, but it is different story.

 
You think wrong. This right was guaranteed to me by jasonrohrer himself in his post.

This is what Founding Fathers did? Gandhi? The tank man? Standing against opression and injustice is one of the most honorable things to do!

This is so untrue IRL, the shorter the life, the least worthy it is. People in past were much less careful and were risking their lifes in the unimaginable ways to present folks. In OHOL it is even less worthy, as there is always a next one on reborn.

Valuing your one, current ingame live to the level comparable to real life is roleplaying, even if the whole game assumption stated by Jason says otherwise.

Then don't do it?

Give dogs a possibility to guard a tile and 9 nearbies. Make it work on commands, allow us to name them. Now you've got owned gates. Possible to do only by players knowing how to raise dogs and maybe train them, so noob proof.

If you want cheaper fences, make big branches stackable, carrieable and containable. If we could bring 16 branches/shafts with cart, instead of just 8, we would have really cheap fences. Even if we could just grab 4 branches and bring them, this would mean almost the end to oven base pens.

Why do you support stealing culture?

What I see here is you folks dont understand my motives. I am NOT killing people taking things in front of me just like that. In most cases, almost always, the stealer is communicating with me. Says something like "Can I take it?", "I need it for...", "Sry". If it does not happen, I start following that person questioning and almost everyone answers me.

This guy was different. There were multiple baskets around, yet he decided to wait untill I emptied one, then stole it without explanation and ignored my communication efforts. I was framed in the role of fruiting milkweed, soulless resource you can use as you wish. I do not agree to treat others that way and I won't allow to be treated this way if I can react.

Now, after longer thougths, I see I could just stole his horse cart to stop this person and really force him to communicate. I feel sorry I did not developed this idea in time, but I do not regret I reacted.

Also, I feel fully justified for below reasons:
1. Jason wished weapons will be used to counter people ruining your gameplay experience. It's illogical to call griefing an action suggested by developer
2. I pointed out a need for non lethal violence. I agree stabbing others is too much a punishment for stealing, but we have limited alternatives.
3. I pointed out a communication improvements which can lead to better understandement and reasoning: blessings, golden speak bubbles, hugging, empty bubble with pending text and moving mouths to indicate someone is typing. As we do not have it now, the strongest way to make somebody listen is to attack. It happened to me once someone was very strongly disrupting my work believing he is doing great job. I stabbed that person right next to medic, then the hole city arrived and was questioning me. I left unharmed, not cursed, I saw before death from old age even person I stabbed focused on the aim I pointed out! Magic
4. The ingame morality is completely different from real life and it seems I am playing a little different game from you guys. Let's analyze it from game theory perspective

This is your game: single life, someone steals basket, only possible reaction is killing.
Kill output: you waste time chasing, being blocked by murder penalty and you risk being questioned and also killed. One possible reward greater than costs: satisfaction.
Let it go output: you make another basket without the killing problems.

This is my game: multiple lifes, someone steals basket, only possible reaction is killing
Kill output: All the things from single life game. Longterm, in next lives, making others double think before stealing and making them consider communication
Let it go output: minor problems in this particular life. Longterm, encouraging the stealing culture and arrogancy toward other players.

Pine panels and doors could be done with just one rope, if we could stack 4 shafts at once.

The game currently does not allow for non-lethal violence. I would just punch him, but instead had to kill him, only because I wanted to protect my property. Me and Jason want property to become real thing in this game. It will happen only, if we defend it!

You are right about prioritizing. But my game was different, as engine was already partially made. So I decided to finish it firstly. I've made many mistakes while trying! After it, I really did not care where could I use it. I just wanted it to run!

Funny, pads can be annoying

Was once in the city with two griefers. They were overfeeding all around and did no additional work. I managed with some other guy to stab them at once. Then a city medic, despite being informed about it, healed them both. The hole city let us die of starvation, holding bloody knives.

The city was dead in next generation. Griefers, after being healed, made good use of our knives. Good, dwellers did not deserve their rescue and rescuers.

May it be .. hugging? I have it in signature