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Ocean, river, lake biomes pls.

I don't know about trade and all that yet. I just want to curb the murder, neglect and abandonment issues, and one way to do that is to present people with the condition where they are needed and most likely to contribute. At the moment that is not when women are standing around a fire doing nothing but picking up and putting down babies, gossiping about who stole what tools and snatching up weapons stating they can't trust people while 50x50 meter area is covered with all sorts of items and 100 projects half completed.

The most productive times are 2nd to 6th generation, when gatherable resources are fairly close; pleanty of natural soil, clay, reeds, wild carrot seed and berries in the surrounding area to support people who are out gathering them. When people can see the need for basic things like; a basket full of pouches to help water the farm, a steel hoe so people don't need to keep remaking stone ones, and an axe and shovel to help clear the immediate area of swamp and pine trees, and remove rocks and stumps so people can path easily, especially into swampy area where they have to go deeper and deeper to find ponds.

The most people are happiest and most productive in those times of a settlements existence.

There is something for everyone to do and new players can also see others producing goods, combining items, and climbing the tree. It's the most ideal situation for the greatest number of people. If someone wants to expand the wheat, berry, carrot or milkweed farms, it's a perfect time for them to see their contributions, double, triple, or even bring a nonexistant farm of those types, online and be responsible for providing something to the colony that did not previously exist. Same goes for so many other things, making tools, making a sheep enclosure, domesticating muflon, bringing in baskets or carts full of rabbits, making the first pies. All these opportunities and more are there to keep the players busy and the children in demand, while people continuously check up on the carrot farm.

Trade might be nice, but the best thing we can do is give gifts. We already do this as families, I don't need to trade the rabbits for pies, I give the rabbits to the colony and maybe make myself a back pack from some of them in the process. If I've already made myself all the fur clothes, I will give them all to the colony, knowing that someone, will be thankful that someone, dropped them off, and made them available for anyone inclined to process them into packs, fur clothes and pie. It's satisfying enough to provide for ones family without bartering or trade.

I can see a little detachment creeping in, if a person from a neighboring seed colony comes in and takes the ax of yours, or you feel less inclined to drop off a cart of rabbits to a neighboring seed, but most people will be unaware or not inclined to travel such great distances to take things from their neighbors if their own resources surrounding their home haven't been significantly depleted.

For now I see a few problems that are keeping us from ever reaching the point where those are regular occurrences. We need to have communities capable of supporting that many people AND have that many people playing in that community AND have that community supportive enough of the players that come and go through it to feel inclined to be productive and not begin to feel the trappings of envy, covetous, sloth or gluttony, taking over themselves or others.

We're still learning to walk together in this game and we're tripping up on the same rocks, time and time again. We need to clear them off our path before we even get to them, so we're not looking to blame each other. This is why I do forgive you folks who have abandoned and let starve, your children in the past, but also why implore you to look to the future; there are better ways. Ways to avoid these problems, if we can just get enough people to be so bold as to rekindle the fire that starts with each Eve's journey. To take it upon ourselves, to ease the pressure, when the time comes.

This is not a responsibility you should feel the need to order another person to take upon themselves. That'd be wrong. But if you feel that time has come, if you feel it looming on the horizon, it wouldn't hurt to share your feelings with your children or someone else, so that they know you feel it, and if they feel it too, maybe your combined recognition can give them the incentive, the motivation, to be the one to set out on that journey.

It's a lot to ask, but it sure beats seeing you starve your children when I'm pulling carrots and you're not.

I don't want to see you giving up on your children anymore.

I don't want our family to be in the position where you even consider that an option.

I'm willing to carry you to full term, I'm willing to give you a tour around the village so you can see how far we've come, and find clothes for you and give you a job if you like. Just know that if your next sibling comes out short of all that, I still love you and I want you stay busy and work hard, for all the people who have done so before you, and will so after. And if you want to come along as I give your sibling the same tour I started giving you, asking me to feed you while you still have hair, I'm not going to turn you away.

And Death Shall Have No Dominion
by Dylan Thomas

       And death shall have no dominion.
       Dead men naked they shall be one
       With the man in the wind and the west moon;
       When their bones are picked clean and the clean bones gone,
       They shall have stars at elbow and foot;
       Though they go mad they shall be sane,
       Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again;
       Though lovers be lost love shall not;
       And death shall have no dominion.

       And death shall have no dominion.
       Under the windings of the sea
       They lying long shall not die windily;
       Twisting on racks when sinews give way,
       Strapped to a wheel, yet they shall not break;
       Faith in their hands shall snap in two,
       And the unicorn evils run them through;
       Split all ends up they shan't crack;
       And death shall have no dominion.

       And death shall have no dominion.
       No more may gulls cry at their ears
       Or waves break loud on the seashores;
       Where blew a flower may a flower no more
       Lift its head to the blows of the rain;
       Though they be mad and dead as nails,
       Heads of the characters hammer through daisies;
       Break in the sun till the sun breaks down,
       And death shall have no dominion.

These are the stories I like to read, you put in the effort to keep your children alive, and you get positive results.

Every child can fill a role in the world, and those roles double and triple as the land our settlements occupy expand with our populations.

We can keep our children alive and we don't need to sacrifice anyone for the sake of a finite set of resources. The world out there is full of everything we need. It's just waiting for the hands of your boys and girls to shape it, into the future.

With this sort of attitude we will get things right and everyone that joins us can fill out our families as new farms spring to life. Our networks radiating out across the land like the great circuitry of life; roots and branches, extending out, to those locations where warm deserts, sturdy maple trees and fresh water combine to create the perfect conditions for the seeds of new settlements.

We're closer to the other side. People on bonding via the internet rather than going to bars in their local areas, rather than hook up with people at work, we are finding people on the other side of the planet who truly share more in common with us because of interests and values have aligned through art, media and education.

Don't be afraid of it. People dreamed this sort of thing would be possible before the internet, that they could just travel thousands of miles from home and happen upon someone who they could love for a lifetime, but rolling the dice by just relocating from Russia to Brazil, or Canada to Malaysia, and hoping that wherever you arrive you will find someone you can meld with, it doesn't work as well as bonding remotely.

Now thats RL stuff.

How about this game stuff, these parenting simulations like The Sims, they attract caring people, and allow them to bond overtime, like guild members in the highest rated WoW guilds, they become more than just random players to each other; they become friends, lovers, extended family members. Do some of the relationships not end so well, sure, you hear a story about lovers that run guilds who's breakup tears the guild apart. It happens, but it happens outside of video games, outside of the net as well. Major companies have been splintered and liquidated over couples who, after a time, just didn't want to be with one another.

This is life.

One thing is sure. We are all gamers. We all know this game, and we all love something about it enough that we're here.

Over time a community may arise, like the communities of players around other games, but, adding parenting to the conversation, there is a greater potential for a generational conversation. I don't know how old you folks are, but I've been playing electronic games for almost 40 years, and I have met many people who are married thanks to video games as well as several children who are a result of their parents communicating via the games and the forums.

Would it be better if people married their elementary school sweethearts? Their college partner? A business partner? Someone they met at the pub maybe? These are all potential places but to say anyone is better or worse than another is a little silly. Same goes for people who bond via social media sites, dating sites, MMOs or forums for bird watchers.

I think a lot of you are really good people, and you deserve the chance to find good people like yourselves, wherever you go.

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I just can't get over how potentially beneficial it would be for people to talk more about parenting, just in general. And with all the digital distractions we are presenting ourselves with these days, and in the future, it wouldn't hurt to talk about the subject via mediums. A lot of us around the world have great parents, a lot of us don't. Why such a great divide between families? Why so many neglected children turn to crime, live unsatisfying lives and go on to reproduce people born under the same circumstances, and can not help their children to truly lift their family out of that cycle?

Meanwhile their are great families, moms and dads who stick together, children that go on to Universities to become doctors and lawyers and have great families of their own. Families that take in six, seven, eight figures a year like that's just the way it is, always has been and always will be for them. They have massive family sections at the cemetery, they know their ancestors going back 500 years or more. They care; about themselves, their children, and their elders.

And they are damn successful at life.

Where is that for us?

How do we cultivate that in this new world?

Adding this element to our games, I think, is vital.

We're not going to divorce ourselves from games. Most of us will game will we die, some already have. There is obviously something very attractive about the purpose games give people. We can try and shy away from it, and condemn it, or we can live WITH it and find the balance; make it work, with what we already know is happening.

No one has gotten it right yet, what this present means for our future. Every book, movie or game, that attempts to foresee the future, fails to incorporate key aspects of human behavior.

Often times it's the desire to care for others, that, while not distinctly human, is certainly a trait of life, we have exploited to our greatest advantage, and it's one of the most powerful that dystopians overlook. Cry about problems all you like, but if you're not giving solutions, you're not helping. And love, really is a solution. It raises families out of generations of poverty, it inspires people to take great risks for great rewards, and it relieves tensions that can otherwise lead to wars, suffering and death.

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I'm not saying you are bad people for murdering your children in this parenting simulator.
You ran an experiment, you got your results.
Now lets try to care for our children more than we ever have, see where that leads.

I can already say that if you are the mother of three kids, and those three know the tech tree, know how to watch their temp and to eat food farther away from your central starting area as possible, you are certain to have a successful settlement.

Same goes for a town of ten players, if you give birth to three more kids, and those 3 all know how to prioritize jobs; they can see the need for a smith to make hoes, the need for seed, the need for soil, the need to EXPAND IF NECESSARY, then you and they will live good lives to old age, if you so choose.

However, the odds of these scenarios drop if you replace just one of those three children with a new player.

So what do you do if it happens that all three of your children are new to the game?

They just got done watching a streamer play the game, or saw a video and decided to give this a go. What is the best thing you could do if you are given such a child, or, have three at a time, all incapable of lifting a finger to help you, at once?

If you have been reading my posts you shouldn't have to ask; YOU TEACH.

I'm not talkin, fuckin, formal education here. You don't need a chalkboard and textbooks, grab a stone, crack it on a rock, cut some reeds, make a basket. Go through the motions, let them know that this is what we do to climb the tech tree to stability. Demonstration through a let's play or stream is one thing, being in the game and having someone do it before your eyes, another. And doing it for yourself, feeling that power grow in your hands as rocks, turn to hatchets, turn to axes; baskets become carts on wheels; wild carrot seed becomes pie, and all the while these, steps, are building up in the players memory...

I am an educator IRL, well, was for many years. This subject brings tears to my eyes. For greater reasons than you may suspect if you aren't also an educator and interested in subjects like evolution, anthropology or philosophy. These are all subjects that have weighed in heavily on the value I place; on reproduction, and education.

I almost value the way information is passed on memetically, as it is genetically.

We couldn't have had this, though, without language; sounds to represent nouns, pictographs, alphabets, Fortran...

I'm sorry.

Love your children, mind your temperature.

It's a lot less unhealthy to love random strangers than people wanting to kill random strangers, or abandon random strangers that appear as children in their life.

If we play like we care, and we do; many of you have given me my best memories through the parenting RP, then we can stand the test of time and Jason can tweak things as he does to make things easier on caring mothers; more reasonable for them.

At the moment I find a distinct advantage to raising all kids as an Eve, so long as I find a warm patch of desert to place them on where they consume as little of their own fat store as possible, see; computeFoodDecrementTimeSeconds.

Yet you who feel the need to neglect children are turning people away from the game. Some of you pretend it's some wise, calculated, choice you've made. When it is, in fact, the gravest decision you can possibly make for the future. You only exist because the game allows you to come back, and someone eventually cares for you. As a new player, that is how it is, 9 times out of 10, and the 10th time you get to try as an Eve. Well what can these new players do as an Eve, having known so much abandonment? Even the ones that stand in the cold, eating berries, but still raising children, are more likely to give rise to settlements that stand the test of time; a day, maybe? heck, at this point, I think 10 generations making it 2-3 hours is a pretty darn successful set, compared to all the Eve's who have died running wild.

As for the model, the solution, address that; we need to expand more once we are successful. That should be the norm. For those of you that have already begun to do this, your cities have been the greatest, and I thank you, Brave Mothers, for taking the initiative and not falling for the trappings of sedentary life as a brood mother, wearing fur, standing on bear skin, over desert tiles, by a blazing fire eating berry+carrot+rabbit pie faster than I can burn through a single berry on a bad day.

Thanks, fire cows, who think because they wear a gold crown, they get to dictate what gender child OTHER PEOPLE get to keep.

Those are the real problems. Dish and others like him, are only hastening your civs demise because it's obvious YOU are playing wrong, if YOU want to go about saying your decisions are for the sake of the future.

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I know, all you ever wanted was to be born to a child with your own name. You thought, by maximizing the number of girls, you maximized the chance of that, and that's all you ever wanted. But now you have Justice to deal with for your neglect, and it's not going to be pretty, I assure you.

I appreciate that.

It is, and you can do whatever you like to fight against it, however you choose to do so.
I know you are not a troll, you mean well, really, we all do, we just see some paths as easier, more satisfying or as more valuable.
I would rather reason, and exchange reasons; it's far more rewarding for and will leave you with a clearer conscience, than levying accusations or harm.

It's really not a gender issue, it's a player performance issue. Being born female is giving lazy and uneducated players a pass into a lazy and uneducated society that thinks culling people is the solution. It never is, they will always fail because those making the decisions are the same ones standing around fires contributing no work and only raising children, who are then more likely to go on to do the same. They cannot see that they are their own problem, and will not see it until they are condemned by everyone else that plays and understands. If you want to try and reason with them in game, you become a part of the problem as well, as words cannot be shared without the passage of time, and with it, a consumption of energy, generated by food, that is not being replaced through labor and the value that work brings to a society.

Weather.

It'd only occur near players.

A lightning strike. Could hit dead trees, starting a fire. Useful for nomads, potentially harmful for cities, might damage tall structures like the bell atop the monument.

Rainfall. While not very useful to nomads, could accompany lightning in moister biomes. Puts out fires but waters crops. Would go great with a wet meter, that could drench players making cold temperature worse. Drying clothes becomes a thing.

Snow. Piles of snow that collect in tundra, can be collected and warmed for water.

Not weather but: Some kind of large leaf, think rhubarb, that could be used as a one time water collector. This would make it easier for Eve's and nomads to start a single patch of farm, but not maintain it. It can't be placed down and hold it's contents unless maybe placed in a bowl to hold it's shape, for, some reason.

Lavaflow. Touch a stick to it, starts on fire, cools over time, becomes useless as fire, but can be mined for obsidian.

Wind. Could modify movement by a small amount +/- 5% could be useful for a nomad, just travel with the wind's direction to cover more ground. Could also be a useful mechanic later for spreading pollen, wind mills, wind turbines, or flying kites. When was the last time you flew a kite? Little bonus. Something fun. Heck, the kite could even be used as a way to signal nearby players; the more string you add to your kite, the farther you can get from other players and they still know what direction you are in.

An ocean biome where things wash up on the beach. A man can dream.

I want beaches.
I want rivers, freshwater lakes and oceans.
I want to fish.
I want sand.

Ocean can be it's own entire biome. The water is salty and unusable (for now) as freshwater. Beaches found on the edge of oceans with sand. River biomes that connect Tundra to Freshwater Lakes and Oceans, and Freshwater Lakes to Oceans. The Freshwater Lake biomes can be used as a water source. It never runs out, at least, not until we get into some post industrial civilization that can extract VAST amounts of it, or some kind of seasonal or greater variation would be added that would raise or lower water levels based on a simulation of rainfall and snow that would bring variations to annual precipitation levels. The River biome would be vital to this as well, and we can eventually dam the rivers either to slow the drainage of lakes, or for hydroelectric dams we can build on, or near, the river.

If the river cannot easily be made to appear to connect the tundra, lake and ocean biomes, than it should be a made like a Marsh or Swamp. Another option would be to make the entire hydrologic system; Ocean, River and Lake, into it's own entire biome. But in the long run I think that would be a bad idea. For now, tackling the way biomes are generated to make it so Oceans, Lakes, Tundras, Swamps and any other highly precipitous biomes are connected procedurally, is important.

Ocean biomes should be 90 - 95% Salt Water, 5 - 10% Sand, on the edges.
River biomes could be tricky, but it could either be generated like any other biome with 5-10% water and the rest it's own type of hybrid grass, forest and swamp, maybe with beavers and it's own type of flora. OR The River biome can be 100% freshwater and coded so that it follows a divide between biomes. It would act like the ocean and lake in that the water level would never deplete, for now. A flow would be important for transport later, boats, but for now it would increase or decrease movement speed depending on the direction of travel.
Freshwater Lake biome should be 50% water, 45% hybrid grass, swamp, forest, 5% sand. I want to see small freshwater lake beaches.

Ocean biomes should be large, but they do not need to be uncircumnavigable by foot, in a lifetime. They should surely be seen as great barriers however, and if they are so formed that the other side may even be visible on a single screen, but that the wings of the ocean are so large on either side of that narrow channel, that it will invite people to want to explore around, to find a way to get to the other side. An invitation for boats and bridges later.

A lake should also be seen a large obstacle,  but one that, for now can be traveled around in under ten minutes, surely, maybe even under 60 seconds, so, they too will be large.

I understand representing such vast features may be quite challenging. We want to create representations, not recreate the actual scale of the obstacle, at least, not in a game like this, as it would be quite imposing and restricting at this time, especially on such a small community of players. But I do want to see representations of these features in the game as soon as reasonably possible. With at least some reply from Jason as to what scope he is willing to take on them.

Water is the most important ingredient to life. It has been vital in the role of every, every civilization. Maybe someday we can incorporate plumbing into the game, I certainly would incorporate plumbing into my civilization if I had to start things over. Are we going to start pooping and pissing and having to deal with our own waste? We don't have to go that far yet, if ever. That can all be implied. But we do already have crops, and we are going to have farming, and we may as well plan to have automated water transportation systems to save time so we can spend more of our lives working in labs and factories to create polymers and circuit boards (please just put copper in the game already) so we may as well have a new, greater source of water now.

This is, afterall, a reboot of what people would do, if we had to start over, and we would certainly migrate to large bodies of fresh water to provide irrigation for our food, as is evident by every successful Eve's, every successful civilization's, actions already, in regards to the ponds and eventual horrendous well walls we are making.

PS before finishing this comment, I started working on a picture to illustrate what I was trying to say about the biomes, before I considered one entire hydrologic biome may be the way to go to capture the entire hydrologic system in a single biome. It is really crude, but I will share it anyway. Just note I really underscaled what I think the size of the ocean biome, if it was seperate but connected from the rest, should be. Oceans should be larger in size than the largest example of a biome generated, you have come upon yet, and I have ran across some really large biome regions of all types, as I'm sure you have as well.

https://i.imgur.com/B12uona.png

SPOILER ALERT PLEASE!

More, because I want to remember this moment.
When so many other people are turning on the game, I want to feel what Jason is trying to do with it, and that's not going to happen if we give up now that things are getting harder to maintain.

Our lives are so easy, IRL, when you break the average life down to 60 years, at least, for those of us in the developed countries of the world. Yet, 10,000 years ago, people would not have had this sort of luxury. But even today, try summing your average 60 year life down to 60 minutes, and the milestones will be the moments you overcame struggles.

It may be hard for you to compare replacing baskets breaking down with repairing and replacing your car as it breaks down, but that is kind of the way I see it. We have to repair and replace our computers every 5 years or so, if that is the way the game works in a year, that we have progressed to the modern age and every 5 minutes we need to order new computer parts with the money we made working at Taco Monument for the last minute, that would be a little weird. But I completely understand the direction Jason is trying to take this, at least, I think I do, and I'm willing to stick around to see things change.

While I'm comparing the game to real history of mankind, (10,000 years ago) I really wish the game wouldn't already have steel. For the most part it feels like we are somewhere between a million and ten thousand years ago, except where steel is concerned. In that respect we are some where between 3,000 and 1,000 years before present. I really wish Jason would follow history a little more closely, at least, for the average person living:
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It's important that I listed all those because I want you to keep in mind, there will be being, doing, things, millions, billions, potentially even trillions of years into the future, or more, and these scales, are things that most of us wonder about from time to time. They inspire great games and have inspired great thought in some of the deepest minds throughout human history. Be they great leaders who employed military strategies to insure the future of their civilization, great explorers looking to expand civilization, great businessmen looking to exploit new resources and markets, great scientists looking to bring new energy and technology to their people or great religious and cultural figures who want to bring peace of mind to all known peoples.

Great minds cannot escape great time lines, whether they intend to play their roles in history for millennia after their existence, or not. The great battles between genes and time have been played out for billions of years and the battles between memes (ref. Dawkins) and time have only just begun, when compared to the grand scheme of life itself.

Sorry, so hard not to ramble, whenever I get typing.

The answer is more, maybe not more the way I did the first week I played (April 2nd to, well, the apocalypse update or so) but I'm thinking more about the game these days, in the long term, with what I've learned over the last few months of seeing people play, and the last 21 days of playing the game myself.

More, more, more.

I'd also like to see a bandage and at least an injured state where the bandage can be applied.
Not only for pvp reasons but for accidents at work, on machines, or making arrows or knives.
You accidentally cut yourself making a knife.
You burned yourself working at the forge.
You sprained your ankle running over a rock.
When the tree fell, a branch flew out and struck your shoulder.

You could be as creative, or as simple as you like with it.

You are injured.

Then from there, add simple, cure all, items: bandage, and flesh it out from there as people are standing around, working in factories, injured by steam engines, electric drills, laser cutters. You stepped into the 3d printer to have a jet pack printed on your back, and the machine fused it to your body and now neither work so you need to have your head transplanted to a cyborg or donor body. Accidents happen. We could use a little time to deal with them and a solution in the meantime.

An argument against this, it's 60 minutes tops, you get in a car accident, you die, you restart, twenty minutes later, you're back in a  new car working the vacant shift at the factory your death left open, no biggie. Problem with these disposable lives, our first five minutes we're so useless, we're a burden wherever we're born, which is fine, it works wonderfully to give people the motivation to maintain food supplies, knowing they could be reborn in that society where their labor and infrastructure, affords their mother the opportunity to raise them until they're able to care for themselves.

However, we put a lot of effort into these lives, each time. You may be thirty, you have made all your own clothes using the town snares, and milkweed you spotted yourself looking for rabbits, then as you take your first cart out to gather water, you instantly die because of a snake bite. Or, as is the subject of this thread, you get stabbed with a knife or shot with an arrow, and it's just always 100% fatal, no, flesh wounds, no shot to the knee, it's just, every shot, every stab, fatal.

Please, add cotton, add loom, add cloth, add bandage, or, at the very least, let me use rope to make a tourniquet and cut my movement speed in half so I can at least get this water back to my village. They had no idea I went out that far. A snake should not have the power to starve an entire village to death.