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The road was already there I just merged it

The solution is just to leave 1000k gaps periodically probably every 5k or so

The reason I did it was so I could build and move my 40 nozzle sprinkler around

Also there's quite a few untapped tarries all this way east -- it hasn't been that bad

You can also create thread and rope with trivial water cost and even trees

I've considered doing a whole forest this way

Point being you can make a lot of slot boxes with minimal cost

1 kero + 40 nozzels ---> 1000 bowls of water

even if half is lost it's still way more efficient than kero into buckets

A bucket is 8 bowls iirc 8x4 = 32

32 vs 500 at 50% efficiency

sprinklers are just too damn good to be ignored

I imagine you can fit a 40piece sprinkler in two truck runs

And there is no waste really because valves, nozzle bodies and pipes can all be used for oil and engine making

There is not much else to do late game so the point is just mass produce pipes and injection nozzles

Which I've noticed a lot of people are doing anyways

I've never actually counted this. Generally, I think shallow well lasts at least 1 generation so I think it's more than four.

This is also true but mathematically it might be more efficient to berry munch if you can water say 100 bushes with one bowl.

I'm not saying this is true but it's possible. I'd have to work out the math but the fact is sprinklers are so RIDICULOUSLY efficient that all strategies should revolve around them.

Destiny Mentioned the meta on the other thread. People don't know how to use sprinklers.

The fact is, most players also don't know how to build 3x3 farms properly, or 7x7 buildings or double gated property fences, coals rooms, track kits etc

There is a certain 'culture' -- a meta for patterns of doing things that have worked the best so far. A good example is the potato oven in the farm.

This is, in fact, the most interesting part of the game to me, to be honest. But if people can learn 3x3 farms, they can learn how to use sprinklers, it's really not that complicated.

This strategy, like all strategies, is broken. This is mainly because the game imo the game is incomplete. What I am proposing is a strategy entirely based on the fact that sprinklers offer unlimited gain relative to cost.

What this means is one bowl of water becomes continually more valuable relative to the amount of steel invested -- WITH NO LIMIT.

In most games, this would be considered an exploit.

The strategy is or ought to be 'continually expand the sprinkler system from town to town until it's too big to be moved'

One bowl of water could be used to water 500 corn sprouts which can all be tilled in lines with a plow making it require no soil or steel for upkeep.

Turning one bowl of water into thousands of corn will provide more net food per water unit, I expect, then pies and yumming and possibly even crave chains.

One town could last in one spot for maybe 20-30x longer than  it does now.

If there ever were more complex game mechanics, like robots (as shown in Jason's intro video) it would require that towns last longer.

I think it's possible that Jason provide plow/sprinkler mechanics so that towns COULD last longer, such that more complex game elements would be possible.

The sprinkler idea was ultimately rejected by the player base which is possibly why Jason lost faith in the project and stopped updating.

Come to think of it, the ultimate problem is just water.

But what I'm suggesting, essentially, is that wells should never run out and hostile mobs should be the reason a town moves.

Consider, like an arcade game, there is an actual incentive to 'go down fighting' for your town, or revisit to loot or whatever.

Once you hit rubber drill, a town is basically just beating a dead horse and moving due to water shortage is super anti climactic.

Far as the combat engine -- no, it does not need to be rebuilt. A lot of people seem to have a grandiose concept of what a combat engine should be.

With all the bells and whistles, it's a ton of work but a minimalist engine is really trivial -- basically just dice rolls.

You track hp, armor or evade, distance between agents, make arrows auto hit/miss with basic pathfinding. It's super easy.

And for the purposes of this game, that is good enough.

I've always preferred simple combat engines anyways, when things get too heavy they often turn out not great (like skyrim) or just distract from gameplay.

Something like this could potentially work with pvp but I would suggest the zones prevent other tribes from picking up objects or building things.

The way it is now, pvp is just griefing -- bring 500 bears, take all the bowls and eat the berries, kill the sheep.

If that's something you enjoy doing or having done to you, you need clinical help.

Zombies would be legit  -- my point was to make it as easy as possible to implement tho. Bears and people already exists so merging them is fairly easy.

Also jason may not want zombies in his realistic-ish simulator

It would depend on how many are needed to overwhelm, but generally, no. Just think about a big sheep pen except bears. Things also aren't loaded when nobody is there like mouflon.

With any simulator, you have to figure out these numbers. I've had bear griefers bring so many that it was difficult, multiply that by two or three and it would be near impossible.

If people can manage to survive that's fine, but the point is that the waves just keep growing in number until you can't.

Yes but this would be great opportunity to improve. Imagine building a full suit of armor that could absorb damage and took as long to make as a truck.

I think a few small tweaks would vastly improve the combat:

1) everything attacks adjacent tiles rather than on top of -- for players. this could be a simple one key swing or hold shift and click for swing after initiating hostile action
2) arrows auto target and just have miss rolls (improved with better bows and arrows?)

basically just think old school zelda -- this stuff in not particularly hard to code especially if its minimalistic

It doesn't matter if a family dies.

Like it or not, the next one will likely return to the old city.

This is the one I'm talking about

https://sharefast.me/AG

The main clock is water but the /true/ clock is homeland drift and runs backwards and forwards

As an addendum, to improve the formula, the primary factor of where eves spawn should be based on the density of fresh iron and well sites.

I've literally spent near entire lives walking without seeing any viable base sites and it's exhausting.