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Complicated, while still not complete computation for heat

You Jason made so complex computation to protect from only one element, air. In reality, clothes are protecting us from multiple elements, especially water and sun rays. This is why clothes can cool down. Desert clothes have drawback, as they filter from air. Is is bad, because during sweating you want air to flow around you body. But those clothes are loose, so this filtering is rather weak and minor comparing to other protection: from sunrays!

What is also missing, is heat capacity. Walls and floors are only filtering heat exchange for the air, but in reality they also heat up and cool down. This heat capacity is especially useful in environment with big daily temperature amplitudes, because building is warming interior during night and cooling it down at day. In the game there are no seasons nor day/night cycle (yet), so it would be simply just move temp to middle inside building.

Also, the great heat source is physical activity. Characters working constantly in desert could increase their temp to crazy levels. It would make colder biomes much more viable and desert a really death trap even to naked players, as they would need to rest to cool themselves down. This way, colder biomes would be much viable places to live.

Now imagine, you would introduce another complete and close to reality computations for sunray isolation, wind isolation, physical activity, animals (peasants were living together with animals in winters) beverages with ice, electrocnic machines and diesel engines in the future. It would be a nightmare. Because of amount of resources needed to calculate them, the game would become character temperature keeping simulation, instead of parenting and rebuilding civilization While usually I'm lacking immersion and real life feature in OHOL, I strongly advice here to abandon the beautiful algorithm you implemented and make a basic area filter, with wages determining how heat/cold sources in the area should affect you.

I guess the only reason to make so complex computation is to introduce the walls as an input for heat calculation. But still, it lacks environent protection. I think it would be much better to indroduce interior influence.

To much simplified temperature/calories burning computation

In reality human bodies have very limited abilities to keep temperature. Shivering, the most energy consumption state except of workout, increases metabolic rate only 5 times, while ingame this change is 8.6 times. Not so far from reality. But, during overheat our bodies almost do not increase metabolic rate. Only the heart beat rate and lung circulation may increase, to loose energy faster. Increasing metabolic rate greatly would increase also body temperature, which is nonsense for overheated body!

What is greatly increased during overheat is sweating, so increased food consumption can be treated in fact as increased water consumption. Even if it is just a justifying the lacks of game desing, like semi-scientific explanations for warp drives, lightsabers and the weight of Mjölnir. Because if so, why couldn't we just drink water from well?

In reality, we do not starve because of too cold or too hot, like in OHOL. This oversimplification allows players to min/max clothes and food. The cost of clothes is too damn high to take it into consideration. Like, during 10 lifetimes, I tried to get myself a complete set of wool cloth with fresh crafitng. I succeeded only once, because all the time I had to keep city alive, craft basic tools, like froe and shears, or there is already a shephard preventing me from my efforts. The only time I succeeded, was when compost/shephard guy crafted it for me, in exchange for smithing I did for him.

In reality we freeze to death or die to heat illness. If you Jason really want temperature to matter, introduce heat illness and freezing feature: let body cover with visible sweat, make character's skin color more red and reduce movement speed. When we hit the max temp, let us die. The same the other way: introduce visible shivering, make skin color pale and kill us if temperature heat the min. Of course, this would require also rebalance to little delay death of temperature. Or maybe not? Yellow fewer should introduce also shivering, body heat temperature and calories consumption increase. But, allow us to take clothes off.

Dynamic temperatures

No matter what, without day/night cycle or seasons, desert/jungle border will always be the best place to live, making clothes and buildings neglectable. Players suggested a fix to that in many ways:
1. Make biomes bigger and able to basic sustain. This would encourage players to move away from desert border
2. Remove ponds from deserts proximity
3. Make biome matter the farming efficiency, with water/soil/growing time management
4. Introduce basic protection for clothes and buildings, making them matter even in optimal temperature spot

More players reblance suggestions

1. In reality one sheep provides wool for 3-5 sweaters. Cashmere sweater is made from 3 goats and it is very expensice. In OHOL you need wool from 6 sheeps and it is extremally high. It also explains, why everyone is running naked, despite you saying a long time ago about police in blue sweaters: I gave you colored clothes? Make wool clothes much less costy!
2. Introduce more clothing, like linen.
3. Introduce domestic animals skinning and tanneries. Also for backpacks.

Totally disagree.

Jason does not think much about his updates, which brings in many failed ideas. And thanks God for that because if he would, game would be developed much slower.

This is our role, the community, to point out failed updates and to propose others. Jason introduced many suggestions from the community already.

But, there are different way to point out, there is something to do: this forum, Reddit suggestion board, GitHub requests, Discord, mail.

In urgent areas we have also Civil disobedience. Exploiting mod dying and destroying others birth cooldown is such a thing. I used to type /DIE, but now I am going to use only Ctrl Del, to hurt other players and highlight this issue. I invite everyone to do so.

What if I say "I love you" during stabbing?

I just think, /die should be used only to avoid playing in place we don't want to. It should not be used to go back to previous life. There should be other mechanics for it.

I mentioned it in my post: lineage ban should be reworked, because this is exploit hurting other players: you are putting other players, maybe desperatly waiting for children, on birth cooldown. Maybe switch it to 10 minutes, not 30.

But, as I mentioned, it will harass power players, who would probably leave a game for lineage ban for elaspe and try to reborn to old settlement with their toddler deaths. This is stupid. Therefore, long life should be rewarded something extra, to compensate for hurting power players. My ideas are just a proposal, I am sure Jason may invent something creative and rewarding.

There is something called Nash equilibrium, which explains why people keep hurting community while rewarding themselves. Eve suiciding at 30 and abandoning bad locations is such an example.

While of course it is good for power-player to use that exploit, you are abandoning poor newbies with no teaching nor explanation. Imagine you are a new player and you believed Jason words (game of parenting), that everything ingame you may learn from others. However, you quickly reroll trough cities dying of starvation in the middle of food, because you don't recognize bowl of stew or don't even know you should click on yourself. You end running as naked Eve and all your children instadying. Not very rewarding. The extreme result of power-players enjoyment hurting newbies will be a successfull apocalypse on populated server. Newbies will be killed on spot while approaching the city and will get settlements erased for no reason, as it already happened with the new update.

In my almost last game I stayed in doomed, yet advanced, city and teached somebody how to craft backpack. The hardest part was to convince him, to click on rabbit skeleton with bare hands to create a single bone. When he finally got hit, he said "I am an idiot". In the last game I stayed in green biome Eve base only to be able to tell her, that people are suiciding because it is a cold place. Then I died. I am trying to make this game enjoyable for other players in hope it will increase the number of players. I want more content, more modders and more customers. What may happen if Jason would be left with 20 people still playing, all power-players? Will he continue developing this game? I think not and nobody will blame him for this decision.

The lineage ban must be reworked to stop this destructive behavior. Pernament ban will make eventually a frequent player doomed to Eve life (this is why a current lineage ban starts after 30 minutes), while temporary lineage ban will make people leave game and try to be reborn to their settlement/lineage later, thus reducing the number of players.

It is unfair suiciding can be so rewarding, even allowing you to continue a project longer than single long live. Therefore, long live should be more rewarding. But, what reward you may got... after death? A bonus in you next life! I was thinking about tokens system, which you may receive for being blessed, buried, additional bonuses for proper grave dedication and roses, dying of old age, having over 7 kids survive past 10 years. These token would be spend on:
1. No chat restrictions as toddler.
2. Spawn next to you last death place (or one of saved death places).
3. Spawned to your last lineage (or one of saved lineages).
4. Longer live, as IRL lifespan can be even beyond 100 years.
5. Removal of lineage ban
6. Increased hunger bar/decreased pip lose rate.
7. Ability to choose between Eve/toddler game start

Please continue discussion in this thread to make it live. Jason must notice that exploit! I only hope, the fix would include some reward system for elders. All this will harass Jason's idea of uniqness of each life, but let's be honest: after many runes some unique features are not immersion creating (helpless toddler, toddler chat restrictions, lineage ban). They are getting tedious. And this is hurting new players the most, as elder players are abandoning newbies in their trail/error efforts.

Did you thought about adding decay time?

LOL, I did not know about that. But it makes both me and lowdt wrong. I didn't knew it is now so common to be born the same mother twice. He did not know, lineage ban is so easy to overpass. And obviously forgot about a lifespan of 1 hour.

Killing babies is sick. Parentiing together is a real drama!

It is not an issue. Gathering wild crops can support only very little civilization, while causing problems, because people have problems with surviving such runs.

However, I agree wild plants should be more interesting, for immersive gameplay. Imagine, you leave eradicate a far green biome from everything but milkweed, you go there back 20 minutes later only to discover, milkweed reclaimed most of the land. It would be something

Do you want to put constraints on technology tree before we craft enough stone tools?