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cars are in a bad spot right now, engine removal sucks all around, destroying them sucks even more
horses are fine, even overpowered, it would be okay a nerf on horses like they would need to eat grain from time to time to move, that can be done even in the wild, so they got a cost

cars would need a different cost, running them while not using makes them really inefficient, they are still mainly a vehicle that has to carry stuff, not just memeing around with it, generally, you don't have a point B you want to get with it, since you only have cars in good cities. Point A to B is also bad, since that 10 minutes won't change the fact that you cant use the kerosene efficiently and way better to use for water.

IF there would be a different fuel, like diesel or benzene then that would be solved.

The storage space must include a tank of kero right now, that's an issue on its own, but the 4 wheels for 3 slots are really bad compared to 8 with 2 wheels.

The other issue is that people lose them. That's why I had the idea of cars only running on connected roads. You could always find them and with decent road system you could revisit locations and move items in between, that would be decent usage for it (except that people would fuck up the engines anyway).

the real reason for hungry work was griefer protection, idiots cut down trees to make a single shoe out of it, sometimes they go for the closest green ones, which is really sad
also makes tree walls less viable, when they look good and function as a wall, and give hourly branches

the wood minigame could and should be more complex, like more stages of growth, more work with them for more resources, wood could be an important resource almost as iron and water

Check your nvidia panel and set vsync to 0
also change wait for vsynch to 0 in settings
set possible fps values to your monitor fps so 120, 60, 30
target frame rate to 30 or 60

Vsynch is a vertical synchronization
its a preference but you probably would like it turned off, i had issues with pro evolution soccer, since its emulated so its kinda weird in some ways

vsynch on means: you got the animations played but when your pc cant handle it, it will delay them, in reality they already happened, so for a game like pro evo, you will still see how you failed but your reaction time wont matter
vsynch off will mean that when you fall behind, you will skip some animations but your reaction time will be on point from there on, so for pro evo means that they tackled you, you won't see how but you can take back the ball right away

for ohol in some cases, it can be a looong wait just to see you are shot, and you sit still while others run in screen, shot you and you gott nothing to do about it
without vsych, someone might appear near your with a bow out of nowhere but you can react to it after (pvp is removed so it doesnt matter as much now)

I'm fairly certain that skipping some info is better than waiting for something that already happened

half frame rate helps when you got low RAM, made the game work on 2gb, its not the case for you so you shouldn't do it, basically paints every second frame and things can change location often without you seeing how

outputallframes=0 i guess that is 0 by default, you better off with some variables than a delay

overall im pretty sure is better to go for reaction time so turn off vsynch everywhere

We got one main resource: water.
Everything can be measured by it since it directly or indirectly converts to it.

Iron to water? you can calculate based on kerosene, thats 40 water or 5 iron, so 1iron=8water. Soil to water? Based on compost around 4 soil=1water.

Since you need it for food making, survival, its a monopoly that can't be changed, so everything else decreases in value when water becomes scarce.

the whole premise of 'everything runs out" is kind of bad, especially with the new introduction of fixed position iron.

Distance eventually becomes a problem, so the wild resources cant be reached in time.  Water and iron is limited, outpost making is limited, so you are just heading to your doom with decreasing food values.
The whole premise is backwards, you don't want to reach a goal, you just run from a punishment, delay your demise. And is a sure demise, not like increasingly hard gameplay, with some chance to avoid or turn back, its a final and sure end to you, your family.

This makes choices that you make less impactful. Your work is not measured at all. Generally, games have a pointing system, a currency, a way to win. Ohol only has a way to lose, its an unfair game with no good outcome long term. Jason called exploration "free" and lots of parts of the game are 99% gathering, 1% processing. While farming takes a bit of time, where work and time convert into value, even there the resource needs are way higher than the work itself. You cant survive to farm for food. Its even a bad conversion rate, since resources are so important, optimization is important, full of noob traps you can't measure if an activity is under other activity, but takes away the same resources, its a conflict, but that's hard to see in-game. Like you scrap together a bucket of water, which is a very low-efficiency job if you do It from the nearby ponds, if hey use it for bushes, instead of pies, it becomes even worse efficiency.

I think what defines a good game is rewards and punishments. If you do a positive action, you need to be rewarded, if you do a negative action, you will be punished. But you need a way to el them apart. Like using a healing potion when you are half health, you know its wasteful if it gives more than you need. But in OHOL case both wasting and preserving leads to the same outcome so its quite bad design, whatever you do your choices don't matter. There would need to be a shift in focus from resources to time and work. One way to do it would be some cycles that can repair the mistakes, where you invest time but you can make up for the mistakes. If this cant is accomplished, it means that time and work are worth little to nothing, while characters got upkeep so you are always in a general loss.

Instead of a limited resource-based economy, we would need a renewable resource-based economy with a lot of sinks that use up resources and convert them in a different way. That would require at least 3 resources to make it meaningful, since converting everything into one or converting between each other isn't too interesting. Makes the low-level resources less important and its a straight value scale where you don't have a need or an excess of them, and doesn't create different situations, as you see the "we have no water" effect in 90% of the games.

We got water sinks that aren't a survival necessity, for the most part, trees, paper, milkweed, skewers for letters. These are basic resources and mostly or convenience. But similarly, we got plaster, chemicals that use a lot of water, and increasing water costs make them a dead content.

It worked better before, even low-level activities had a decent payoff, water was abundant so making bushes or any farm had some value to it, but was nerfed over and over, breaking balance, compost has so low value is actually horrible, and water worked as a low-level resource, but at the same time it became a high-level resource so that's also bad for low-level activities, they affect the high levels.

Best system I saw was Surviving mars, where the basic resources ran out, but you could increase the removal of other resources with water, fuel required water and co2 to make methane and oxygen as fuel. Polymers required fuel and water, power. So basically 2 water to make plastic.
But plastics were used as upkeep for higher level buildings.

I guess mass-scale made it more interesting, you could survive on basic income with low pop or increase production, income, upkeep and tech level.
What ohol lacks for this, is a mass scale production but mass scale expense, sink coming with it, tech level is always the same in whole, no way to be more advanced and generally no reason.

Also, all the other activities are way too simple. Stone and wood is just chopped and dug and processed in seconds, the only problem is the transportation of them. But we also lack the massive, valuable structures that would serve as gate and reward.

We got some gates like an upgraded well can sustain a bit more milkweed farm and buckets allow a new way of transporting water. That allows cow pens and placing farms further away, painting and such. But the rest of the tech tree is neither required or linked any way with this.

I'm okay with diminishing returns as long as it doesn't use the same resource it produces, aka no iron to mine iron. You would need water to wash out the mine, and iron to produce stone and stone to increase water and wood to build out the mine. This way you would have times where one resource is more valuable than others and you got a choice to make. Later it could be all reverse cycle or random or mixed cycles.

Klinckingbeard is best, i got a list of very long names

still, how you got a breeding room without a breathing room?

twisted is a golden egg for Jason, even if it's a goofball. If you played 100 hours and you still like him then it's quite upsetting, his generic gameplay and roleplay is quite boring. He still holds a grudge on me but doesn't even remember what he lied last time.

I think a higher food value and 2-3 chains of 10-15 would be okay, could have other rewards. Kinda unrealistic to have 60 bonus food and you don't have to eat 20 years at all cause you found an exotic onion.

Also would make more sense focusing on the overall variety in the city, not personal long chains
real variety would mean that the city can produce like 10 different foods constantly, not that you make 30 foods, but from that only 5 is constant, the rest is just 3-5 portions for some chosen people, I would be really curious how these yummer cities compare on resources used for their "effectiveness"

it's not really something that you control so it shouldn't be something to control you

I'm having a hard time getting any score and enforces a dumb playstyle I don't like, force-feeding people and doing nothing but watching others do stupid shit
also, a good way to get cursed by interacting with dumb people and mentioning their mistakes

sad that it hit veterans who like crafting a lot while having zero benefits on teamwork, slots have failed and they are annoying, anyone who denies it, doesn't even play the way that he would be useful on tech and long term sustainability, enforcing your views again on short term stupidity

how is that those veterans who are 10 times faster are worse players than these noobs who live their life within 30 tiles? how that is civilization building? that's mere survival
but the benefits go for people who don't care for slots and others are screwed with the tool slots
th cap was also bad, at least playing more games pushed your score up a bit
I don't even think that farming score is an exploit, it was a good feature, slot limits make life boring and you can't help others without showing them first, so quite dumb to limit slots, it enforces stupid tools you wouldn't use otherwise, all the farming and food making tools seem to be more important but committing to those makes you iss out on building and tech. artificial slowdowns are dumb and boring.  not like you would need to make 50 fires or 200 wheels in a life so tools are not equal and enforcing to choose is a dumb limitation.

yum was my idea, that's why I hat how it perverted into something like this

basically I had the idea from stronghold and tropico
in stronghold you could produce apple or cheese or both, maybe some grain, but that required a production line and quite a lot of space, which could lead to fires inside the castle and use up your population. the 4th was meant which you got by hunting, but you barely had any levels with a few stags or none at all, so either from start or from the late game you had to buy the meat.

now you had 4 options to food: half, normal, 2x or 4x ratios, they ate more but you gained a morale bonus for it, obviously, has a cap
now the bonus also was applied for each type of food you got. for 1 you get none, for 2 you had 4, for 3 you had 8? and for 4 you had 12?
since you were buying the meat, you had to actively make and fill extra granaries with it, and reducing the consumption overall, was good so you get the bonus longer, so a low food witth high variety was better than a normal with low variety, ofc high amount with high variety was better but unsustainable

Tropico had similar, it had food types, corn, papaya, pineapple, banana, fish, meat, milk then some processed like canned food from fish, meat, fruits, then juice and chocolate, the advanced ones didn't count as required, more like covering the other basic level ones
the same downside, more workers needed, more space needed, more pollution and less beauty, the upside was overall happiness, communist faction happiness, avoid starvation and droughts, increase fertility, obviously top cap maximum 100 but around 80 was good enough

now obviously you got online players, you don't need to simulate morale, maybe we could have negative morale to make garbage and dead bone disposal more important, maybe even some décor to increase fertility within range, but you can really simulate that

so I think the main idea is decent for yum, chaining the foods to get bonus

but the original problem was berry munching, somewhat fixed meta while having 30 foods to balance so that all of them is viable
that's kind of impossible, oxygen not included has like 12 and they can't balance it well, some of the later foods need a very specific requirement fulfilled so it's almost dead content

it was interesting to abuse the yum system once or twice, but people realized it does not worth spending a life just to eat, at least most of the smarter ones
but then this idiot playstyle emerged, where the selfish players abused summing for a personal bonus, even on the cost of wasting resources, and abused the fertility bonus with it, actions like walking 400 tiles to eat wild food in advanced cities or making one single special food for themselves
spending way too much time and disregarding all the city work that would be important long term

this is all due to not having a top cap which would mean any x of the 50 foods of what we got, instead of longest personal chain for yourself
ideally, you could make 10 or 15 foods for all the city and 4-5 types that would cover one or two more bonus, we would still be in a good shape with 1/3rd of the food types
also, there is no balance nI regards of cooked food vs raw food which is way simpler to make and still have a bonus

now there is a cap but it's inactive, but the latest changes made any single food very low efficiency so yum is kind of mandatory
I can't imagine anyone having fun keeping track of what they ate, it's not the end goal it's just a means to an end. forcing this for everyone is a bad design and without a zoom mod feature, I wouldn't be able to do it myself.
Also, it's quite a bad design saying that food is more important than anything else in the game, building or organizing or smithing, and gives a very bad time for those who like doing other types of activities. People who got the skill to gather and smith and advance in tech are important, and they would deserve to get enough varied food from the others, can't even compare how much more important is to get the resources and how easy it is to process them.

but hey, let's fuck up veterans with slots and races and nerfs, and let's promote the game for the useless streamers and make low brain capacity gameplay much more viable than it should be

110% is way worse than 95%
any heat source heats you and you would need to discharge that heat if the insulation is absolute which would be quite dumb

jason: every player reads updates, understands the mechanics and knows how they work
also jason: veterans will do it
also jason: kill every mofoker within 30 generations
also jason: griefing is part of the game
also jason: you not allowed to defend yourself from it

it's Jason's intention, he didn't even understand or cared about cistern water, he intended you to claim a well, but touching it will not o anyhing, you got to use it. While it's the sensible action to fill cisterns with water, so you can do the tech upgrades faster, it can make it harder to claim for eves. but you need to look around, another well activates nearby and you still can be within homeland range to an abandoned town

it's just hard to claim a Newcomen well since there are no resources, and engines get  stolen or destroyed when a family dies out. when you see no oil or iron left, don't take the city, is a noobttrap

the town on that picture is -500 -500 from a huge brown family, there are several wells and resources nearby and SE, one must be exhausted other is not.

You see in this picture where is brown an family, not sure but might have rubber left
black latifi had horses
o and p are the oil spots
that new well is near a town thatt was taken over by gingers few days ago