Why curses don't make sense

pein · Today 13:50:38

The game has curses and there were several updates with failed logic

https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=2620
https://www.onehouronelife.com/forums/v … p?id=10815

In theory it meant to prevent people spawning back to the game if they were cursed. And in majority people would get cursed when they deserve it.

In reality there are several issues with this. Not everything is black and white. People roleplay as different personalities, a killer would be also just roleplay, at least he is honest abut his intentions. There were several updates that prevent killing them without leadership involvement and drama. Also the 'duel system' became a game of who clicks first. It's also very confusing for most people when you can kill someone and when not. One player killed another and I ran out of the cooldown when I could kill them for it. But the feedback from the game don't reflect that, you are still holding your bow and the animation is going on.

There are people who consider themselves as 'anti griefers' which goes into 'hero complex' and they think their word is absolute. A circular logic where they consider themselves good and anyone disagreeing is a griefer because of that. That is just the lack of understanding of perspectives.
There are some people who recognize when they did something bad intentionally and they deserve a punishment for it.

Also there is the issue with faking actions or faking intent. Faking that you want the best for the town and then ruining it. Or just sheer incompetence where your actions ruin things without you realizing it.

95% of people are just selfish, they just want the outcome where they win and others lose, there is no morality or principle behind it.

This results in several issues:
-trigger happy leaders: any sort of issue makes them go all out on the smallest offence.
-fake accusations, misunderstandings and slander: people get killed and cursed
-kill and curse chains. two ginger families lived together and we didn't understood each other, one member of my family was murdered, and I didnt knew the reason, but since it was a leader of mine, I had to take her out in return as it seemed to be just a power move, so then a kill chain started.
-empathy no matter what: some people don't consider ruining the town a problem, and write off everything as an accident, and they save everyone no matter what, that results in others being killed but they only care about feeling good about themselves not the consequences of their actions or the ones they defend.

Curses are also a reason why others curse you, no matter if they deserve it, they will curse you back if you curse them. It's bad for them so they consider as an equal measure. I delayed curses after their death or off screen and I got less curses this way, also some of them curse with 'curse you' so the person next to me gets cursed instead.

Curses come in pairs, and they seem to be equal on the surface. if you get involved, you get punished. If you don't get involved, you get punished.

Trigger happy people: Some people just love drama, and too immersed in it, and any sort of negativity will make them curse on cooldown, I saw a chick having like 10x the amount of normal outgoing curses ratio, almost every 60 minutes she played she had an outgoing curse by statistics. She also failed to understand that she is also cursed for me so the same thing applies to her, if I'm in the game and she comes later, she won't be able to play in the main area and she was baffled and angry about it, but in the reverse situation she was tremendously happy that it happened to me.

Reasonable people try to solve problems quickly. Unreasonable people will argue about it forever and try to ruin your game every time. And without convincing others, you can't deal with them. And that makes them even more annoying to deal with. It's just not a fun gameplay going around convincing others for the whole life or even 20-30 minutes to get rid of someone. And if they don't accept the real reasons, then you have to come up with something exaggerated which selfish people don't have problem with, they just come up with outlandish claims with no proof and play it dramatically and it seems to work better than the plain reality.

Dealing with problematic people gets you cursed and framed. Since I cursed someone and saw him doing shady things, I didn't wanted to let them own a property fence. In return he exorcised the ghost and blamed it on me. Then the ghost was convinced it was me who did it.

Personal relations and roleplay also comes into play: they are less likely to curse a relative in game, even if it's a bad person, a baby who sees someone die, automatically assumes you are the bad guy for doing it and later takes revenge, no matter the context or explanation. There were also cults who killed anyone for any made up reason like being male, not wearing a wolf hat or straight up for not doing what they told you to do.

I don't consider myself a hero or a griefer, I don't go into games thinking I'm gonna ruin others life for no reason, but I take revenge if others try to ruin mine. When there is no skill involved, there is no consequence of peoples actions. The leadership is not based on skill really, or morality for that matter. One example is when the server needs a certain item like oil or rubber, one family will be more important to stay alive and then you would have to reroll several times to get there and help which ruins your score. Teaching and force feeding new people might improve your score but usually is out of your control who lives and who dies.

The quality of curses: on oholcurse there is one particular metric that all the players I ever cursed or got cursed by is way worse than mine: curses to life ratio. while I might have a flat 40+ curses recieved, it's only 6%ish of my lives. Some people have over 300% or way more interactions with way less lives. They clearly just want drama but the current system rewards them for it. It's statistically impossible that all of them still play and at the exact random hours I do, yet if I keep a pause after a game, I'm cursed out and families die out. When I get back it's another eve town 80 tiles from the previous and they can't find it.

The 'ownership' also seems to be a big issue. You are almost never cursed when you are running around naked, but when you wear clothes you are more likely to be exiled, killed or cursed. Same with horses, trucks, even carts. Owning a fence or having ledership puts you in risk. If you don't give it to them you get punished.

Multi accounts: people can be very petty about curses, I saw in logs that a player went around cursing for 2 hours after my death to curse me several times from other families too. That time the rule was 2 hours. Also people seem to use several accounts to curse one person multiple times.
In fact there are custom mods that use several keys and brute force until one is not cursed out and then they can dodge the curses and then block out people who they consider risky or dangerous. Any time families getting killed and I die, the next few minutes I'm blocked from entering a family, as I encountered those killers and I got cursed by them. New players even ignore when I call their attention to it. This leaves them with players who are incapable of defending themselves or even cursing them as they don't even understand what is happening. And for a lot of players, it's just fatigue. You just stay out of drama and let them kill each other, why would you care.

Personally I really don't curse people often, like nothing they say offends me, words are just words. If they can be reasoned with I talk it out, if they are annoying I just ignore them. If I can't I set boundaries and if they cross it I tell them the consequences. I get annoyed by waste, but it's not a reason I would kill someone, but after I warn them and tell them why it matters and they keep ignoring it or even start to do even more of it, then I keep my promises. If I don't understand something then I ask for an explantion or proof and ask the other side too about it. Most people don't do any of it, they don't ask for explanation or don't give warnings just play judge jury and executioner.

I saw some of the new players started trolling or griefing, for example a kid grabbing one tool and just tries on every single item, digging out rows or cutting trees and ignoring people who tell them not to do it. generally it's a sign you can't reason with them. And better acting early than ignoring signs. The other player got offended for me asking if he did ruin an oven, then he thought I should apologize for even asking such a thing, and later he tried to blame someone else for it, thinking I don't have a zoom to see their actions or I wouldn't ask the other person. So straight up gaslighting and emotional manipulation which seems to work on some people.

If too many kills was an issue, not enough kills are also an issue. Griefers and killers usually blend in for 20-30 minutes, even wait until the people who are competent die and then start ruining the towns, by then they got leadership and 'friends' who vouch for them in case they get blamed for anything. When so much dipomacy is needed, certain playstiles become more viable. People following others around, annoying them, slandering you behind your back, starting curse chains and kill chains, playing the victim, playing innocent, claiming their ingame roles and making up stories about others being bad, evil and you can't do anything about it. Especially in early camps where you try to survive and others to survive. When resources are shared, leeching on others becomes the easiest and most convenient way to play. Use the resources others provide and use the time when they do other things to ruin their gameplay. Sort of a weaponized incompetence where they deny any involment and claim inonocence, deny everything and cater to the feelings of the people every time they are called out. I don't consider intangible things that important, if it doesn't relate to survival then it's secondary, and if you care about anything tangible, you are at a disadvantage against the ones who don't.

In January I picked up 6 curses, when I gifted resources from a ginger town and I got my truck stolen, and because of the language barrier I couldn't even clear myself, and I was too old, and being chased you can't really do much, and they didn't even let me go back to that faraway town. can't even say it was misunderstanding, the player stole the truck when I got out of it, they had 5 others and he just put it on display and probably went around making up stuff for giggles that I stole it from them and I was doing something bad. Someone stole my truck yesterday and I ended up with 2 curses and couldn't even curse the person who did it. I clearly told I got it and I'm still using it and they kept following me and taking it then running away with it. Got 2 curses for saying no. There are occasions where I maybe deserved it but the late ones are always about some dumb drama they drag me into, I was literally never starting a life to cause trouble, I barely even talk to others and just do my own thing, I don't even complain or mention when they mess up things. They leave me no options and expect me to bend. Then it only matters who complains first and starts slandering the other person and how convincing their act is. Some of the entries I don't even know what happened as I didn't even interact with others, I just travel to other towns and I get cursed for no obvious reason.

Overall I don't think there is good and evil (the so called griefers are often even more direct and straight forward than the 'anti-griefers'), there are just sides, and this 'consensus' doesn't work when people have discord open and several keys to force voting out certain people based on their opinion. A new friend of mine got really upset over being cursed out of accident/misunderstanding and trying to repair it just made it worse. This forces people to play pretend and be two faced, as there is no consequence for harassing others if you have some people advocating for you, as you can single out anyone for any reason. Personally I don't want to be liked by everyone or cater to everyone. There are plenty of players to play with and you won't enjoy playing with everyone. The game shouldn't limit players of certain play styles to be in advantage over others. There should be some better metrics for leadership and skills, more reward for longer players not more punishment.

Opinions are jut opinions, and some peoples opinions shouldn't be considered equal, generally with more lives people tend to become more experienced, so their leadership or curses should matter a bit more or drop the whole system and limit it to lower amounts, just separate people who don't like each other, no need to block them out based on who joins a life first. When there are two sides, that are both emotional or there is no consensus, I tend to side with the one who goes back to work, but most people just get convinced by the one who cries victim for the rest of the life, on that cases kills were a better solution, just let them resolve it in a fight and get rid of one of them or they will continue the drama until the end.

And brute forcing several keys from the same IP should not be so easy. They can even choose who to born to now, so it's even worse than you think. They kill every family at once and nothing you can do about it even if you want to.

D3mon1cblack · Today 14:18:25

i cursed you for being an out of band fert killing off the gingers, you were south of the desert bands fcol, you deserved those cus you killed off the gingers by doing so, enjoy them (and i had nothing to do with your truck)

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Laggy · Today 14:46:34

BRING BACK 1,000 YEAR CURSES

pein · Today 15:17:49

D3mon1cblack wrote:

i cursed you for being an out of band fert killing off the gingers, you were south of the desert bands fcol, you deserved those cus you killed off the gingers by doing so, enjoy them (and i had nothing to do with your truck)

when? where? how you even know it was me?

I don't remember any game where I was the last female and wasn't in my band for a prolonged time.

Tart · Today 15:30:54

?Two sides of the same coin, Antigriefers vs Griefers. Real talk is that there's no single reason to curse, its just a tool to block players you don't want to play with. Cursing is abused by both sides, but the curses do stack on griefing accounts and older accounts.

D3mon1cblack · Today 16:06:02

pein wrote:

D3mon1cblack wrote:
i cursed you for being an out of band fert killing off the gingers, you were south of the desert bands fcol, you deserved those cus you killed off the gingers by doing so, enjoy them (and i had nothing to do with your truck)
when? where? how you even know it was me?
I don't remember any game where I was the last female and wasn't in my band for a prolonged time.

didnt know it was you, all i knew is i tried getting spawned to ginger cus there was one fert (you) so i ended up in donkeytown, i then spawned back As an eve, checked your waystone and saw you atleast 200/300 tiles south of desert band, i traveled cursed and setup south west of eveans

D3mon1cblack · Today 16:07:13

little birdie told me it was you after the entire thing

D3mon1cblack · Today 16:08:55

Tart wrote:

?Two sides of the same coin, Antigriefers vs Griefers. Real talk is that there's no single reason to curse, its just a tool to block players you don't want to play with. Cursing is abused by both sides, but the curses do stack on griefing accounts and older accounts.

yep you can curse for whatever reason you like, doesnt matter if its dumb or not

D3mon1cblack · Today 16:10:25

pein wrote:

D3mon1cblack wrote:
i cursed you for being an out of band fert killing off the gingers, you were south of the desert bands fcol, you deserved those cus you killed off the gingers by doing so, enjoy them (and i had nothing to do with your truck)
when? where? how you even know it was me?
I don't remember any game where I was the last female and wasn't in my band for a prolonged time.

last female? yesterday named Chudney Mysak

pein · Today 16:17:16

Tart wrote:

?Two sides of the same coin, Antigriefers vs Griefers. Real talk is that there's no single reason to curse, its just a tool to block players you don't want to play with. Cursing is abused by both sides, but the curses do stack on griefing accounts and older accounts.

it should show the players who cursed you so you can stay away or I dunno, give a real reason to hate you. I confronted one guy and even had the screenshot to remember the 3 word code, and he just said it was long ago and I should forget it. so him trying to troll/ruin things is justified without explanation but If I would do the same to him that's somehow bad. if they wouldn't have double standards they wouldn't have any standards.

Tart · Today 17:09:12

pein wrote:

Tart wrote:
?Two sides of the same coin, Antigriefers vs Griefers. Real talk is that there's no single reason to curse, its just a tool to block players you don't want to play with. Cursing is abused by both sides, but the curses do stack on griefing accounts and older accounts.
it should show the players who cursed you so you can stay away or I dunno, give a real reason to hate you. I confronted one guy and even had the screenshot to remember the 3 word code, and he just said it was long ago and I should forget it. so him trying to troll/ruin things is justified without explanation but If I would do the same to him that's somehow bad. if they wouldn't have double standards they wouldn't have any standards.

Jason has been consistent that he doesn't wish to deanonymize players, showing who cursed you would deanonymize users.

QuirkySmirkyIan · Today 17:14:09

Yeah, I really don't like to curse anti griefers. My goal isn't to softban accounts on people I don't like. I play OHOL kinda as the Doctor, I just spawn in and await each life as a new adventure. I genenrally don't go in with some sort of elaborate multi life plan. If an anti griefing is really annoying me, I'll curse them for a bit and then generally within a few days I couldn't be bothered to keep trying to aggro them. 5 year curses was a mistake and oholcurse should be DMCA'D imo. Yes, you are also right on how when there are 2 ppl agruing and trying to kill each other the one who often complains the entire life tends to win out compared to the person that goes back to work and tries to walk away.

pein · Today 17:43:33

D3mon1cblack wrote:

pein wrote:
D3mon1cblack wrote:
i cursed you for being an out of band fert killing off the gingers, you were south of the desert bands fcol, you deserved those cus you killed off the gingers by doing so, enjoy them (and i had nothing to do with your truck)
when? where? how you even know it was me?
I don't remember any game where I was the last female and wasn't in my band for a prolonged time.
last female? yesterday named Chudney Mysak

ah, yeah. I was born in Edd town to a newbie who ran away with a horse, like 4000 away from the ginger family, that's 100 tile per minute. she didn't even understood the bands, and wanted to do a fire under the road, and she had at least another girl later when crossed the road so I wasn't technically the last, maybe i just lived longer. And she bailed somewhere later, not sure where, I told her about the nearby ginger city, but I got no clue where she was. And I tried to explain to her but she had no patience for baby talk.

so you expected me to travel 4000 tiles in 26 minutes to keep a griefed family alive, cause now checking some logs they died to shot grizzly bear which is either incompetence or intentional. there isn't even a ginger city west of groot, and with the gen debuff starting from scratch is suicide.

I was in Groot and was like 32 when I had some time to talk, after I got a horse in Polynice, and wasn't even paved at that time, I stayed out of band to not take away your spawns. So you cursed me and let Kailie Klimpson Gene score 27.77 Curse score 23 BOOK BABY HALL live in your city 3 lives without recognizing that you signed your death.

So not knowing the context you just cursed the last female of the line without ever meeting me. But you had no problem living with someone who has more lives in donkey than normal lives.

ANGELA NEVIL
8952057 13.14 female -162938 / -257 Shot_Grizzly_Bear 2026-03-24 00:18:53

that's around when I cursed her and got cursed back 2 days later for not tolerating her bullshit. That's when Pearl family started and I took the 4th Eve to a town and built it up almost alone. See? There is some patterns, why some towns and families succed and why others don't. you proved my point.

And the other guy I was talking about was doing the paving, probably you have a reason why he is cursed out too. You should be really nice to people who do the paving cause any legit player who could keep your families you hold deer, are at least 2000 tiles away from you when they start griefing you, cause you harbor the actual assholes. good luck fixing them xD

D3mon1cblack · Today 19:09:40

pein wrote:

D3mon1cblack wrote:
pein wrote:
when? where? how you even know it was me?
I don't remember any game where I was the last female and wasn't in my band for a prolonged time.
last female? yesterday named Chudney Mysak
ah, yeah. I was born in Edd town to a newbie who ran away with a horse, like 4000 away from the ginger family, that's 100 tile per minute. she didn't even understood the bands, and wanted to do a fire under the road, and she had at least another girl later when crossed the road so I wasn't technically the last, maybe i just lived longer. And she bailed somewhere later, not sure where, I told her about the nearby ginger city, but I got no clue where she was. And I tried to explain to her but she had no patience for baby talk.
so you expected me to travel 4000 tiles in 26 minutes to keep a griefed family alive, cause now checking some logs they died to shot grizzly bear which is either incompetence or intentional. there isn't even a ginger city west of groot, and with the gen debuff starting from scratch is suicide.
I was in Groot and was like 32 when I had some time to talk, after I got a horse in Polynice, and wasn't even paved at that time, I stayed out of band to not take away your spawns. So you cursed me and let Kailie Klimpson Gene score 27.77 Curse score 23 BOOK BABY HALL live in your city 3 lives without recognizing that you signed your death.
So not knowing the context you just cursed the last female of the line without ever meeting me. But you had no problem living with someone who has more lives in donkey than normal lives.
ANGELA NEVIL
8952057 13.14 female -162938 / -257 Shot_Grizzly_Bear 2026-03-24 00:18:53
that's around when I cursed her and got cursed back 2 days later for not tolerating her bullshit. That's when Pearl family started and I took the 4th Eve to a town and built it up almost alone. See? There is some patterns, why some towns and families succed and why others don't. you proved my point.
And the other guy I was talking about was doing the paving, probably you have a reason why he is cursed out too. You should be really nice to people who do the paving cause any legit player who could keep your families you hold deer, are at least 2000 tiles away from you when they start griefing you, cause you harbor the actual assholes. good luck fixing them xD

only reason my fam lived was cus i grabbed some food and suddenly got 5 kids, i got m some craves (shroom and whatnot ) and logged for the day, i dont police the game so why would i know some a-hat is playing? you should know better tho you have been playing this game as long as i have. you did not have to walk 4 k back, but you could have gone inband and spawned some players who would actually do it, or hell even settle somewhere else, like i said only reason i cursed you cus you were way out of bands as the last fert

D3mon1cblack · Today 19:15:10

QuirkySmirkyIan wrote:

Yeah, I really don't like to curse anti griefers. My goal isn't to softban accounts on people I don't like. I play OHOL kinda as the Doctor, I just spawn in and await each life as a new adventure. I genenrally don't go in with some sort of elaborate multi life plan. If an anti griefing is really annoying me, I'll curse them for a bit and then generally within a few days I couldn't be bothered to keep trying to aggro them. 5 year curses was a mistake and oholcurse should be DMCA'D imo. Yes, you are also right on how when there are 2 ppl agruing and trying to kill each other the one who often complains the entire life tends to win out compared to the person that goes back to work and tries to walk away.

oke buddy, you went out your way to curse me cus i had phex on, like traveling kilometers for it never uncursed me either all because i dont want nazi/rape or whatever rp you can think of near me, kinda funny how you keep throwing ur accounts at me tho keep at it man!

pein · Today 21:05:14

D3mon1cblack wrote:

Tart wrote:
?Two sides of the same coin, Antigriefers vs Griefers. Real talk is that there's no single reason to curse, its just a tool to block players you don't want to play with. Cursing is abused by both sides, but the curses do stack on griefing accounts and older accounts.
yep you can curse for whatever reason you like, doesnt matter if its dumb or not

and I would fully support separating the dumb and triggerhappy people until they arrive to the conclusion that actually provides results or more likely die trying.

the truck thing was in Dandekar and the new ginger was setting up in Spoon, which is the same jump as the ginger fam had. eveans and groot was almost 2k away. in this case if you do it my face, it would give the opportunity to consider cursing you back, so it further separates us. you can look at the cities and see how they look, you can tell when I was never been there all I'm saying is probably your loss, not mine. just when shit hits the fan, make sure you enjoy it, and know it's not random, your choices in judgement led you to that.

D3mon1cblack wrote:

only reason my fam lived was cus i grabbed some food and suddenly got 5 kids, i got m some craves (shroom and whatnot ) and logged for the day, i dont police the game so why would i know some a-hat is playing? you should know better tho you have been playing this game as long as i have. you did not have to walk 4 k back, but you could have gone inband and spawned some players who would actually do it, or hell even settle somewhere else, like i said only reason i cursed you cus you were way out of bands as the last fert

Sounds pretty policey to me that you expect people to struggle for reasons they aren't responsible for when they wouldn't have to if the right choices were made. yes I know, that's why I was trying to kill him in Pearl and warning people about it and that's how I got cursed by him.

I don't bell run over 2k on foot, and maybe 3-4 on horse if there is some road. And it's unlikely that the kids get back. Whatever was near Edd town, I think Pizza? was scrapped for parts, that probably was the best option, looking back. But you guys never sent an order either. I had no info on the location, only about the distance which is a ridiculously long way to save something that probably not worth saving, I already had to save Giovanucci and that was because 2 stray bears, and they didn't even had more than 5 arrows, that's why sticking one into each makes it almost impossible to kill one at a time. Just because I was the last, doesn't mean there is no overlap, my mother was like 20ish that time and I'm pretty sure others were alive, and you shouldn't count my last 20 minutes or my first 14 knowing where I started, from my perspective I would never get back and I even ruin your spawns if I cross bands. I had info on nearby towns, thats how I even got a horse, that's like 2 days before towns. You wouldn't really expect other people to go south east to get west quicker. Also the truck was fenced in giovanucci, while the family was next to you which I found out later. There was another one but not in Groot or Evans (yet).

That's what I'm saying, you can check the map in between Groot and Mysak. There is no settlement that can sustain a 40+ gen family for long. And it wasn't the only family that died out, the reason you spawned more east was by pure chance and other families died out too and none of them when I was there but like within 5-30 min after I was gone. The exact reason why I don't have the option to choose lives, is because those players curse me for stopping them, and I get this swaps when I set a family straight and I take a break, because my curse list is actual troublemakers you can't reason with. And Mysak in particular wasn't any better off than any other, it was low pop and coordinated killings so probably you can save one, maybe Eveans.

I would rather have you police the game than your afterlife.

Laggy · Today 23:04:45

So many words, so little meaning.

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