Griefing, what are the ‘laws’ of OHOL

NoraRose86 · 2018-09-23 14:43:28

I know it varies, but what do you consider griefing?

Also, to those who give no warning before resorting to murder...why?

We all have different play styles, there is no right or wrong way.

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SomeRandomPerson · 2018-09-23 15:00:26

1. Intentionally sabotaging a town, like killing livestock, Cutting all wheat or stealing tools etc.

2. Being bloodthirsty and murdering without proper reason or warning, Slaughtering fertile women for the perpose of killing off a lineage.

voy178 · 2018-09-23 15:43:54

Griefing is wasting resources, destroying and disrupting society. Generally, the main offenders (other than trolls) are people who do not think before they do something. I think a lot of griefing is done unintentionally when you are not actively seeking out toppling a society by destroying the tools and overeating.

- Pursuing dogs in its current state a prime example of wasting resources and space.
- Depleting rabbit holes.
- Expanding farms when there is no demand. A hot tip is to make another small berry/carrot farm next to the Sheep pen.
- Eating berries as an adult when there are other foods readily available. Learn your surroundings.
- Not working on berry farms the first 5 min as a kid if there is a need.
- Making Large Slow Fires with Logs.
- Making Tinder out of Firewood when you got braches around.
- Building Roads to nowhere. Building roads too close to farms, buildings and resources.
- Building Railroad tracks when there are more immediate concerns for that Iron. (Carts are faster anyways)
- Filling Trash Pits accidentally letting all the animals out.
- Taking bowls and plates quite clearly used at a station like the Bakery, Smithy, Stew crocks, Farms, etc. Make new ones instead, there is always good to have more of them than you think you'll need.
- Not bringing plates back when you've eaten that pie.
- Taking a tool, using it once and not bringing it back. Same goes for breaking it and not telling anyone.
- Making Bonsai Trees when there are other things that need to be done.
- Making a bowl of Carnitas when you're not intending to bake the whole Taco chain.
- Planting Rosebushes in inconvenient areas.
- Not following through with the watering of trees.
- Making Berry Carrot Pies.
- Not taking care of the carrots you planted and now they're all seeds.
- Asking for / making backpacks when all you do is hanging around the berry bushes for easy food. Get an apron instead if you want to have food on you unless you intend to transport a lot of items from point a to point b.
- Making locks on doors and chests. In most cases, the lock serves no purpose other than to annoy your descendants because no one but you know where the key is.
- Not replanting that one last crop when there was still seeds around.

Etc. I'm not against roleplaying. I think its more fun with it but some sort of structure is needed for this game to work. Also wouldn't it be nicer if we tried to make a Fence instead of the trash pit pens?

tana · 2018-09-23 15:45:34

what are considered "dick moves"
cutting all usefull trees in a wide radius
killing all sheep/opening the sheep pen to let them escape
emptying all berry bushes on the ground
waking up all bears and brining them into the village
killing all females
eating all the food as quick as possible with only one hunger bar down
hiding/breaking tools
making a pickaxe and breaking all kilns and ovens
using teleporters to spam the whole city of milkweed seeds

also using all new mechanics to sabotage the city, for ex when dogs came out, you could breed them infinitely thus overwhelming the village with them

and there are a lot of other ways more, just keep an eye on someone you see doing something like that... there are noobs that don't know what they did, and accidents do happen, but if someone is doing several of those, then he's probably a griefer.

MultiLife · 2018-09-23 16:10:41

I use the exact definition griefing has in Urban dictionary;

1. Purposefully shooting or otherwise sabotaging your teammates in an online game.
2. In online gaming where one repeatedly killing the same individual or individuals over and over again, or camping their corpse to prevent them from retrieving it, or otherwise performing actions in a game to prevent the player from enjoying the game.
3. In online gaming, someone who takes pleasure in creating grief for an opponent via various "cheap" tactics.

I do not consider newbies doing bad things without knowing griefing. They are not meaning to do harm. They are just doing harm unintentionally which is not griefing in my terms.
Now a griefer who does griefing is always doing it to damage the place they are in. It's something that hinders the town or sends it back in development and the griefer does it knowing very well how it damages the place and other players. In OHOL it's usually; killing innocent players (especially fertile females), destroying resources and hiding items. There are other ways too but those are the most common things, and I would also consider many to be in the number 3 category, just cheap tactics.

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NoraRose86 · 2018-09-23 16:27:37

MultiLife wrote:

I use the exact definition griefing has in Urban dictionary;
1. Purposefully shooting or otherwise sabotaging your teammates in an online game.
2. In online gaming where one repeatedly killing the same individual or individuals over and over again, or camping their corpse to prevent them from retrieving it, or otherwise performing actions in a game to prevent the player from enjoying the game.
3. In online gaming, someone who takes pleasure in creating grief for an opponent via various "cheap" tactics.
I do not consider newbies doing bad things without knowing griefing. They are not meaning to do harm. They are just doing harm unintentionally which is not griefing in my terms.
Now a griefer who does griefing is always doing it to damage the place they are in. It's something that hinders the town or sends it back in development and the griefer does it knowing very well how it damages the place and other players. In OHOL it's usually; killing innocent players (especially fertile females), destroying resources and hiding items. There are other ways too but those are the most common things, and I would also consider many to be in the number 3 category, just cheap tactics.

I agree, I think a lot may be unintentional. That’s why warning or explaining is a good idea instead of just killing straight off. But then again, if it’s an actual troll, that just gives them more time to grief.

Tarr · 2018-09-23 16:43:36

No warning murders are generally for things that are either hard to fix or irreversible. I think the best example of this was someone who purposely filled twenty six bowls of carnitas. While they're in the wounded state you have 40 or so seconds to explain to them why exactly they were killed off (You have caused the town a massive hassle for you wanting to breed twenty six puppies at one time in a state where puppies/dead dogs don't decay.)

Force feeding is another good example of when to stab someone without much warning. If you are a child spamming adults with high caloric food you are rather explicitly griefing. You are either messing up someones yum chain, wasting food, or sponging by doing nothing.

An example of when to warn vs no warning is probably like someone chopping down trees. "Hey can you stop chopping down X tree? We use these for kindling and getting leaves for fire." If someone is specifically targeting juniper that's a stabbing as these can't be grown and only produce firewood instead of firewood + log when chopped.

Should you stab everyone without a warning? Probably not but you should at least explain to the person why they were stabbed for what they were doing.

MultiLife · 2018-09-23 16:50:30

NoraRose86 wrote:

I agree, I think a lot may be unintentional. That’s why warning or explaining is a good idea instead of just killing straight off. But then again, if it’s an actual troll, that just gives them more time to grief.

Yupp, it's not too easy to differentiate an actual newbie and a griefer/troll playing a role of a newbie. Sometimes you may notice it from the way they move or talk, but surely in many cases some observing could help. Especially if you have zoom out mods, you could hover over some suspicious players for a while, it's worth the time.

I got murdered in a very "straight off" manner just yesterday. A very loud player repeated that I destroyed a kiln in the center of the town. I didn't ofc, I was smithing and had a baby in the midst of it, but she insisted she saw me destroy one of the kilns; I actually don't even know how to, probably with a shovel? I had a hoe or a baby in my hands most of the time there (I had to smith a hoe for my carrot and milkweed farm). I went off with my hoe to continue farming. As I waited for the harvest, I went to gather clay around the edges of the town, finding a needle and thread too. I was going to make new bowls for the place when she ran up to me and stabbed me, still going on about me destroying the kiln (nothing else, still just that). Another villager witnessed this and was very confused, I just cursed the trigger-happy loudmouth and didn't even try to save myself by running to a hospital; I thought, "eh, I'm gonna go live somewhere else then".
If only she had spent a liiiittle bit of time watching over me... I did think that maybe they were an actual griefer trying to cause drama and blame so they can kill people, I was a fertile 23 year old ginger lady after all. Overall their reasoning was ridiculous anyways, though, one kiln? I could've built the kiln with the clay I had gathered if needed (we had 3 kilns, only one got broken).
Chikaima was innocent, may you know that, German Alegre.

boggers · 2018-09-23 18:46:29

MultiLife wrote:

I use the exact definition griefing has in Urban dictionary;
1. Purposefully shooting or otherwise sabotaging your teammates in an online game.

This.

OHOL is unique among games in that the line between some of the more skilled players and griefers is quite blurred, especially from the perspective of new players.

I still consider a certain few self-righteous players to be the real griefers, as these were the players who killed / sabotaged me early on and made it more difficult to actually learn the game. This happened more often than any encounters with people intentionally trying to destroy towns.

Turnipseed · 2018-09-23 20:57:31

Real rules= 0

Null argument

You make your own rules

Players make rules

Anything, even honest mistakes can be considered griefing.

Ive seen people killed/cursed for...

Keeping babies/not keeping babies

Making too much bread/not making enough bread

I think the line between griefing, stupidity, and honest mistakes is razor thin. All will get you killed or cursed. I have had lives where i do nothing but tend sheep, water berrys, and compost. And get killed for "greifing"

No matter how we rationalize things here in forums this game is a practice in anarchy

pein · 2018-09-23 22:58:25

anything you do out of selfishness, like shearing sheep without feeding them
or you are wasteful with resources like making kindling out of firewood(after biome empty of branches is ok but you still need to know first) and using butt logs for fire
even moving as a baby, not talking about resources you gather and a 3 year old cries why do you make a teleporter from adobe.
or undoing others work, like destroying pits or letting sheep out, even destroying my grave pen. you dont have to agree with it or like it, but i had work with it so its ugly thing to do

its nice to warn them first, i always do but most people answer to criticism with rude talk or even worse reaction
like a kid who takes a shovel to suicide mission cause i told not to take shovel to dig graves, wastes the ticks

so if you refuse to communicate its same as griefing

there are things which can be a debate, and should be a debate about it, but you need to respect the elders of your city
i seen people shear last sheep so 'dont have lambs around'- its wasting one bowl of berry and carrot and its not so annoying, especially if you dont work full time with it
yesterday i seen a mom who told that a small sheep pen is better cause people use up mutton
if they are lazy it doesnt matter, that 6x6 is too small, was 16 tiles inside and with all the garbage i barely could make an apron

when multiple people make errors and the next kid does the same thing, and didnt ask around is very annoying, when there are multiple kids, killing one doesnt matter when is suspicious

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